Halo 4 was great. And now?
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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Halo 4 was great. And now?
Nightmare fuel right here.
Neptune's Beard?
MS announced the Xbox at GDC in 2000 IIRC, which was way before the launch of the PS2 here in the states. You didn't need to rely on rumors or forums to get a view of the landscape before last Gen started. =)
Umm I didn't wedge anything, I merely expressed why I think MS went their current route. They don't seem concerned about being the most powerful since port quality matters very little outside of the few extremes.
Did I say I agreed with this direction? Did I say or even insinuate that their plan will succeed and they'll dominate or even win? No, not at all. I plan to get both systems at launch and if i need to only pick one, it's looking like I'll pick the PS4 so far and just wait on the next Xbox. So while I understand you're already emotionally invested in this next Gen console war, I frankly don't give a shit who wins between MS and Sony, just like this Gen. So those assumptions you have about me won't get you very far.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Very well said, and this is something that I can more or less always agree with. You're like me in that you play more third party games than first party games (as I think most people do whether they acknowledge it or not), but naturally there are some first party titles that I simply can't do without, and so that's why I'll get each of the new consoles.
I think Microsoft's gamble will pay off so long as they have the games and features and Kinect catches the attention or interest of gamers, regardless of what they choose to use it for (console navigation, home entertainment, games). In your case, I can fully understand why you would want the console that is more likely to have the edge in third party titles, and others will surely do the same, and they have every right to do so. The weirdness comes in when a few people also feel the need to tear down and exaggerate the doom and gloom for the console they are practically inventing reasons to hate by blowing any little thing out of proportion. Some people generally believe anyone who owns a new xbox will somehow be ill served compared to ps4 owners. and I guess it's one thing if they believe that, but not everyone is going to just fall in line and agree. I wasn't an original xbox owner, because, to me, the ps2 was the much superior machine due to its games lineup. However, there's plenty of original Xbox owners who feel pretty damn good about their original Xbox purchases, and who am I or anyone else to tell them they settled for mediocrity, or somehow didn't get a true gamer's experience due to the choice they made, and the one I didn't?
There's no reason to worry until there's an actual reason to worry. I see no reason that potential next gen xbox owners should be afraid to consider the machine or at least see what it has to offer. It's like people want to build as negative a narrative of what Microsoft and the next xbox are about in a hurry before Microsoft has a chance to have a say. Why else would people be saying things like "It could already be too late for Microsoft, people are already talking about the PS4." That's all? That's nuts. Then again, this is mostly venting as I've been reading a lot of this stuff for quite some time and each time it pained me that I couldn't make a post due to not having a gaf account, until I remembered that I actually do have one, made it all the way back in early 2010, but I forgot all about it.
Halo 4 is my favorite of the series. I don't play multiplayer, getting that out of the way. Never been a fan, don't expect that to change. It's all about the campaign for me. That said, Halo 4 is the Halo game I've been waiting for since I really got into the books. Story, art, gameplay, production value. All of it exceeded my already sky high expectations. There's nothing shitty about Halo 4, in my eyes, but whatever makes you feel better, I guess.
Pretty much.
Apparently, MS replaced the OG gaming guys who made the 360 with more blue ocean/business kind of guys for Durango (according to Pacther). The PS4 architect, Mark Cerny, is a game developer. So it looks from the outside, to a dilettante like me, that PS4 is going to be more game console and less media hub than Durango.
Whether that is a good thing depends entirely on what the customer wants.
I'm glad there is going to be some differentiation next gen. Too bad Nintendo is out of the race already.
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Why can't a console maker have reputable specs and amazing services at the same time?
Yes but do any of you people understand that CONSOLE GAMES ARE ON A DIFFERENT SCALE TO PHONE GAMES and offer a HELL of a lot different experience and depth in the games, even online gaming is more or less not even present on your precious phone games.
Seriously, do you just say "cell phones will ruin the consoles" without looking at the fact that console games are, you know ACTUAL FULL GAMES and not some flashy flash game that lasts like 10 minutes and so simple...
Lets not even talk about the touch screen problem with gaming.
Are you telling me people would pick the iOS and android games over games like GTA, fifa, COD/BF, FF etc on the console?
Maybe in a few years when these devices can produce games even near the scale of ps3/360 ( even the original xbox) games you can start this stupid argument but until then just stop.
It boggles my mind how people even start comparing the games on the iOS and andriod to consoles game.
does not mean that even though led by those guys that they kicked all the game guys out of the room for every meeting.
the next machine will play games, all of the same mp games PS4 will play in fact, along with 1st party ip's as usual.
That is how I think of it as well. I was formulating a response along these lines but you have said it far better than I could have.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Can Crusher makes a very solid point, but when you're dealing with leaks and speculation, it can otherwise make what might not seem so bad seem even worse, because you don't have the company itself selling you on their product and their vision.
There's a reason that Microsoft hasn't made their announcement yet. It's because they weren't ready to present it to gamers yet. They want to reveal it when they feel they have ready an accurate enough representation of what the new xbox will be about. This doesn't mean there won't be certain things that gamers fairly don't like, but perhaps with a more complete picture on the next xbox straight from Microsoft themselves and from developers once they are able to talk about it, it will reveal that their head is mostly in the right place (or somewhere else) and the idea that the console isn't gamers first may also be entirely dispelled. Microsoft when they get to talking about Kinect can ham it up with the best of them, but properly handled, it has potential.
I've found sometimes that the idea of something often tends to be scarier than the reality. I suspect this is one of those cases.
There's a reason that Microsoft hasn't made their announcement yet. It's because they weren't ready to present it to gamers yet. They want to reveal it when they feel they have ready an accurate enough representation of what the new xbox will be about. This doesn't mean there won't be certain things that gamers fairly don't like, but perhaps with a more complete picture on the next xbox straight from Microsoft themselves and from developers once they are able to talk about it, it will reveal that their head is mostly in the right place (or somewhere else) and the idea that the console isn't gamers first may also be entirely dispelled. Microsoft when they get to talking about Kinect can ham it up with the best of them, but properly handled, it has potential.
I've found sometimes that the idea of something often tends to be scarier than the reality. I suspect this is one of those cases.
Gemüsepizza
Member
This seems to be their way of thinking. People will love the new Xbox, it plays Halo and Call of Duty! We have checked this box! Not sure if this is enough, when there will be another console which also has very strong first party exclusives and which can probably play all those mp games with better graphics/worlds.
Baconsammy
Banned
Gemüsepizza;51478464 said:
Having two of the best selling games in the industry now is "checking a box"? Oh good lord the goal posts be moving!
The devs are given details and the PC they use is on par to what the console manufacturer will be using in Dev kits until they go final. Wth are you carrying on about wrong architecture?
I buy all consoles. But the one that gets most of my attention is the one with the best operating system/infrastructure, but that's just me.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Due to about 90% of the games on the next gen consoles more than likely being the same, the differences in services between the Next Xbox and PS4 are going to matter just as much as, if not more than, the game exclusives that both consoles have. Especially when you look at the activity of what many people are playing -- many people are playing multiplatform games... especially people who only have (or can afford) one console.
phosphor112
Banned
Shut up m0dus. You fascist. Just because he doesn't like Halo doesn't mean you have to be Hitler!
EDIT: Damn, I just got out posted, lmao ^^.
But some if not most of those services are available on many different platforms. MS has to make some of those services exclusive, given the pay wall requirements. Being the conduit for those services really isn't that special.
Give an example of a current service that's unique to LIVE? One that is compelling and ground breaking. (genuinely interested)
It's about the games. It's always about the games.
While both are going for services in the same areas, it's looking as if MS is going to have a lot of tricks up its sleeve for next gen.
I'm expecting some big announcements for media content/services as well as unique online gaming/social features that may not be found anywhere else. Heck, they already have ESPN which is probably the biggest reason/channel that's keeping people to stay with cable.
Anyway, look at the huge change in Xbox Live from Xbox (1) to Xbox 360. That was massive. I don't see why it would be faulty to expect the same amount of change and improvements this time around for the Next Xbox.
MS has more experience in these things than Sony does. That's not to say that the PS4 won't have good services though.
Yes, but again, due to the majority of big name games coming next gen being big budget, they will be on both the PS4 and Next Xbox. Therefore, the differences between the consoles in terms of ecosystems will mean even more to consumers who can only get one of the two than they ever have previously (especially just due to the growth of online period).
rudieboy77
Member
If only the PS4 had a 360 style controller.
Watch ESPN is not unique to Xbox - I can do that elsewhere, using an app for example, it's not a unique compelling service feature. It's not on PS3, but it's on competing platforms, that are not games consoles.
All the video services are that way. If I'm a casual user interested in those services, why go to the expense of getting an Xbox 360 over a Roku or my Samsung TV.
Some slick UI and tricks won't be enough. Unless it cheap. Very cheap.
The one thing my TV, Roku can not do is play games. But do the people interested in these services want to play games?
How do we Kinect them to more than just services? Oh....
It's all about the games. I expect Kinect and traditional gaming to be at the core of experience with services augmenting the experience. But they'll have to get creative with the pricing - Subscription offsetting the unit cost?
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Hey guys what's going on in this thr.... *slowly backs away*
Four_Chamber
Member
What other service has something similar to the WatchESPN app on the 360? On my PC, watching ESPN3 is far inferior to the same experience on the Xbox. Just curious.
It's a pretty stark improvement.
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:
What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).
The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.
Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.
Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
rudieboy77
Member
It is the analog stick placement I'm more concerned with, maybe a third party will make one.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
During college football and basketball season my friends list is full of people using this app. On what other devices is it available other than phones and computers? It sure isnt available on any other gaming console.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
IPad has it.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
So a computer.
Aquamarine
Member
Absolutely no chance.
digoutyoursoul
Member
was there ever a good wireless one with 360 stick placement for the ps3?
JCreasy
Member
So DVD or download only? Or their own format?
Aquamarine
Member
Absolutely no chance they're NOT going with Blu-ray.
So 100% chance Durango games will be on Blu-ray at retail.
JCreasy
Member
Oh I see, got it.
its probably bundling bluray
its probably bundling Kinect
its probably always on-line
for the record, I'm ok with this. I'd like to see what a social dashboard could do if you could guarantee its online. MMO-like features, steam-like game transfers and sync, seems like there is some potential there.
Your missing the point. I never said unique to consoles. I said unique period. It's not unique to Xbox. It's a service that can be used elsewhere.
It's also a poor service to put forward as an example, given it's a sports only service limited to events that ESPN has the rights to cover and requires a compatible ISP to use. A great deal of Xbox users in the US can't even use the service, not to mention those outside of the US.
What are these magical services we'll be getting through the next Xbox, I wonder? The media deals MS will have to make are too protracted to have sweeping impact. Unless MS can do what nobody has done before. Get the Media content providers to bend to their will.
What I wouldn't give for an Adult Swim tv show about Team Fortress.
phosphor112
Banned
Asymmetrical sucks =X
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
Its not unique to Xbox but since you cannot use the service on anything else other than phones and computers its a pretty big deal for the 360. See here in the US people like to watch college football, and they like to watch college football on big screen tvs not on computers. So the fact that the service can be used on a 5 inch phone is irrelevant when it comes to the majority of people interested in that content.
You discount the service because to you a sports only service isnt really that great. But im telling you as a sports fan a lot of people love that service. For many non-powerhouse schools Watch ESPN is the only way fans can even see their team play. I have seen many instances where people have bought 360s specifically to use that app.
I'd like to see what extra bling MS would add to their multimedia features... Like multitasking...
I for one would like to see an evolution of dat off-tv play... Where... While playing a game... The console can simultaneously stream an video app to a tablet... Maybe vice versa... Or even stream multiple apps on different tablets... Making the console truly the center of your entertainment needs
...Kappa?
I for one would like to see an evolution of dat off-tv play... Where... While playing a game... The console can simultaneously stream an video app to a tablet... Maybe vice versa... Or even stream multiple apps on different tablets... Making the console truly the center of your entertainment needs
...Kappa?
Brad Grenz
Member
Since you have to be a cable subscriber to even use the ESPN app I imagine the vast majority still just watch college football that way. The reason they have otherwise concentrated on mobile platforms is because the service is most useful to people away from their TVs.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Hell no, the PS3 controller is much superior IMO, and it seems like it will get even better on the PS4.
Considering what you've said about Nintendo on the exact opposite side of this argument, I'd be weary of taking this stance.
The dev kits, especially the first ones, are often quite drastically different from the final or even beta silicon. Quite often more powerful as well.