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NVIDIA: PS4 GPU 3x less powerful than Titan, but more powerful than Xbox 720
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I have to say, it honestly sounds like you don't know the first thing about gaming on a PC. Especially since you're going on about anomaly games rather than the more or less consistent trend for PC games to have controller support.
So, I'm out of this thread. Keep pissing off the one guy who feels like responding to your posts.
Metalmurphy
Member
I know that literally speaking competitively means against other people, however when you say you play competitively in a game context, you mean in the competitive scene. Clans, tournaments, clan wars, etc. There is no competitive scene for a game which only has an alpha, released less then a month ago...
And yes, the M/KB completely dominates the controller, the problem with your assumption that since you felt competent with it disproves anything, is that you seem to forget that plenty of people actually suck with a M/KB.
A KB/M player will always dominate another player at the same level with a controller.
Compare the sales of the previous installments, and I guaran-fucking-tee that Battlefield PC and COD PC versions outsell it 10:1 at least.
You must be trolling aren't you?
You do realize battlefield is a common term and all references to the word battlefield are included in google fights right?
And? That's a logical fallacy to the point you're trying to make.
It's funny how you continue to talk about ARMA 3 when you clearly have no idea or experience with it at all. ARMA has plenty of clans that moved over from ARMA 2 into the ARMA 3 Alpha.
Actually yes my personal experience does disprove it for me as that's all it means when it comes down to it.
That's part of the entire point, thanks for getting it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Where is the logical fallacy? Arma is a small niche game with a shoestring budget, plain and simple. Far more people play BF3 or even COD on PC, that cannot be debated. Let's see you join a MP game in BF3 with a controller and get owned. Bigger userbase means coming across more people who are your skill level or better so you'd get owned far more often in a game like Battlefield or COD over Arma.
I don't get the hostility from the PC crowd on anything related to consoles.
We should be happy that next-gen is around the corner. There will be games aplenty for everyone to enjoy, and with a little bit of luck we'll get PC ports that aren't visually and conceptually constrained to the mediocre hardware of the current console generation.
Instead, the PC crowd is continously acting like a bunch of defensive children on horses so fucking high they can't even see the ground. Well, a few of them are at least.
Some people just don't like to fiddle with a PC to play games, don't want to navigate Windows just to get a match going. Some people don't want a loud tower or genuinely don't care about that extra layer of MSSXFAA that your rig is capable of. Stop acting like they should.
Also, I say this as someone who plays 90% of games on a PC. Stop making us look silly.
We should be happy that next-gen is around the corner. There will be games aplenty for everyone to enjoy, and with a little bit of luck we'll get PC ports that aren't visually and conceptually constrained to the mediocre hardware of the current console generation.
Instead, the PC crowd is continously acting like a bunch of defensive children on horses so fucking high they can't even see the ground. Well, a few of them are at least.
Some people just don't like to fiddle with a PC to play games, don't want to navigate Windows just to get a match going. Some people don't want a loud tower or genuinely don't care about that extra layer of MSSXFAA that your rig is capable of. Stop acting like they should.
Also, I say this as someone who plays 90% of games on a PC. Stop making us look silly.
Metalmurphy
Member
Dude, I was playing arma back when it was Flashpoint Operation. Please don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
No your personal experience is just that, personal experience.
How about you make a new personal experience and play me right now. See how "well" you fare.
AquaMotley
Banned
No, he's been presenting good arguments, and you, like the FordGT guy, have run out of them. That's why you're leaving. At least be honest about it.
Hoo-doo said:
Seems to be all the rage these days. Well actually these last past years.
Are you trolling? The search was for "battlefield 3"
You do understand what that image was from and how search engines work right?
Thanks for proving my point.
He said only three people have heard of the game out of jest and now he is trying to defend that, the fact that ARMA 3 Alpha is that high on Steam shows otherwise.
It's called a Strawman argument look it up, you're trying to say no one has heard of the game because it hasn't sold as much as CoD or Battlefield.
Metalmurphy
Member
You do understand that when you search for something within quotes it searches for the whole phrase right? "battlefield" alone won't be registered. How many references for "battlefield 3" do you think there are outside of the game?
It's a good thing you know how search engines work huh?
And my image is from steam stats... so yeah...
Yeah, that's not being high on steam... at all...
It is for a niche FPS in Alpha.
A search engine not only searches your phrase but combinations of your phrase and usage of the phrases in content found.
Metalmurphy
Member
Not really no. Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter is above it for crying out loud.
AquaMotley
Banned
lol, I was just about to say that you know a title is in the niche category when more people play serious sam.
The gap between Arma and COD/BF is so large that it's ok to use the term "no one has heard of it". When your userbase is in the tens of thousands, that's nothing when other games are in the multi-millions. With such a difference in userbase, saying "no one has heard of it" is appropriate in context, because a few thousand people are "no one" compared to millions.
In any case the argument against powerful PC GPU's is simple. What are PC's Halo or Uncharted? They are WOW, DOTA, and Sim City. None of them push high-end graphics technology, so all you're left with are console ports with better IQ. And that gap in IQ is going to be much, MUCH less next gen due to hitting the 1080p and 60 fps barrier.
Metalmurphy
Member
A search engine not only searches your phrase but combinations of your phrase and usage of the phrases in content found.
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May I ask why you are ignoring the other widely popular FPS games on that list?
I mean, when I think about "competitive FPS", ARMA is no-where on my mind, personally. And I fucking love those games.
I'd honestly like to see you compete with a controller in let's say, Battlefield, Counter-Strike or Call of Duty though.
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You somehow think this changes what I said? Pretty much anything you search on Google Gights has disparities with the actual search numbers on Google itself.
I brought up ARMA 3 as it's the one I've been playing lately it's good for you if it's not the first one that comes to your mind. I'm not even ignoring CoD of BF3 I just didn't bring them up as I don't play them a lot.
ARMA is a hell of a lot more realistic and harder to play than BF, CoD or Counterstrike.
No, using a mouse to rename a file once is not that a big deal.
A mouse can be used fine on a couch.
And I remembered a better way than even a mouse, if you have a smart phone you can get free programs that act as a touchpad and keyboard for a PC!
Metalmurphy
Member
Dude, use your damn head for a moment. Searching for "battlefield 3" within quotes searches for exactly that, "battlefield 3", nothing more. That's what the quotes are for. How many references for "battlefield 3" do you think it exists on the web that aren't directly referring tot he game? The differences in google fights is insignificant.
Jesus, you're one of the most thick headed people I met on gaf.
You're one of the only people I know to use Google Fights to help defend the idea that a game isn't popular.
I didn't know Google Fights searched using quotations I thought It only searched using the actual terms.
The funny that is that even with quotations it still doesn't match the results coming out of Google Fights.
Actually no it wasn't because I was making a separate point and was not using it to prove whether it was popular or not.
The Hermit
Member
Is this a thread about how Google works or I am missing something?
No on both counts. It can not. I am speaking from experience...I wish it could be used fine, but it really isn't because I really wanted to play torchlight 2 on my PC without being chained to a desk. The experience was incredibly shitty on the couch. Console experience is so much better it's not even comparable.
I have one of those programs and it's actually even less convenient than using a keyboard on a PC, your PC will complain there is no keyboard attached, they won't work until you've logged in to Windows for which you need a KB/M to begin with, etc.
Now that is a strawman if I ever saw one.
No, it is because the objectively wrong shit that some people state about PCs that gets PC users upset!
This "we are the victims of evil PC players" crap has to stop!
And BTW not only do PCs have a whole range of form factors (not just towers), but also both the consoles (at least the first gen ones) are louder than a lot of PCs.
No, wireless mouses are not a problem, I use mine on my bed all the time!
Windows should auto logon if you have one user account without password (I don't think you need it for a gaming only PC).
Metalmurphy
Member
I wasn't the one using it actually, I used steam stats.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
The original point I was going against was this idea that ARMA 3 has no fanbase therefore it's not a proper comparison. If anything the guys playing ARMA are some of the best FPS PC players in gaming. Believe it or not even in these conditions you can have fun and maybe even compete a little with a controller on the PC versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jwIRWNSWI
Diablohead
Member
This was the first thing to come to my mind, the titan is $1000 for just the GPU, the ps4 is no way that price and comes complete to run from out of the box, minus software.
Metalmurphy
Member
Boss Man
Member
You're right, it is not true that literally no one cares about ARMA 3. You have done a great thing here, defending truth and ironically challenging people's intelligence because you don't think they know how to google.
As for the actual thread, for comparison' sake are $1000 GPUs normal? For instance, did the PC graph at 2006-2007 have a $1000 GPU on market?
It's the truth if you can't handle that I'm sorry, comparing ARMA to BF3 or CoD is like comparing Ridge Racer to GT5. ARMA takes more skill, time and patience to play and the gameplay attracts and creates some of the best players I've seen in the genre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYCKVsPKCk
childplease
Banned
Thing I wonder is if the titan alone just the video card is over 3x more powerful than the yet to be released ps4. How much more powerful is an entire pc with a titan in it ? Including the intel cpu that is far far more powerful than the budget cpu in the ps4, the combined system ram with the 6 gigs of ram in the titan.
Your argument was that controller players can hold their own amidst M/KB players in competitive PC FPS titles.
In the vast majority of popular PC FPS titles, that's not even remotely true. Why this discussion is still about the validity and supposed "player skill" found in a milsim currently in alpha state is beyond me.
Metalmurphy
Member
I'll just leave you with this while I'm at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtLa2pFlPo&hd=1
What an amazing and breathtaking display of skill... I'm am speechless... Truly the best players in PC gaming!
LOL
I never said that once, I never even implied it, in fact I said a controller won't match M/KB. All I said is that controllers can compete on a certain level and using M/KB is not a guarantee that you're going to dominate someone using a controller. Player skill is still a factor but on equal standings a person with M/KB is going to beat someone using a controller pretty much every time.
Again you show your lack of experience with ARMA on any level.
Boss Man
Member
I think the graph is comparing only GPU flops, not "Titan vs. entire PS4."
Although yes, a theoretical PC with Titan and a high-end CPU would be that much more powerful. You can't really translate that into % or anything though.
Metalmurphy
Member
Again you talk about shit you don't know and show your completle ignorance as far as the competitive gaming scene goes. You being an Arma player will obviously outclass me easily, how come you keep ignoring my requests to play against me?
When did I say anything like this?
I suck at ARMA and I suck at most other competitive FPS also but from all that I've played(I've played all the big ones) ARMA takes the most skill.
Say what you will but it's what I've seen from personal experience, you don't sit back and just shoot rockets at people like in most modern FPS nowadays. It's one of the reasons I quit playing BF3 as it ended up turning into people just shooting RPGs down a hallway over and over.
LOL oh my
Weltall Zero
Member
Y axis uses a logarithmic scale, it's not exactly the friendliest to determine relative differences at a glance.
CPUs are all pretty minimal in the raw math power wise. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.
Did you ever play any Quake game? Or is this definition off "competetive" fps strictly based on modern military shooters released within the past couple of years?
1st Course
Member
Pretty much. I'm more interested in how the PS4 will stack up against 660 Ti/3570K than PS4 vs Titan.
I've played pretty much all the big FPS since the Quake days.
Logically, at least one out of these three statements must be false:
Metalmurphy
Member
Then why would you go ahead and say something stupid like this?
Or did you just play Metro? lol