Looks like a focus on more Digital content then. Makes sense, would be easy to block used games that way.
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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Looks like a focus on more Digital content then. Makes sense, would be easy to block used games that way.
NoLootBoxDev
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So if they Focus more on digital content, does this means Gamestop will suffer in the financial side.
dragonelite
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New thread worthy?
Really? You got all of that from that message?
There are things they can do to try and stay relevant, such as selling download code cards instead of physical copies, but I imagine most wouldn't bother when they can just purchase the game from their homes.
statham
Member
The most interesting bit in that article is info about the controller, if it's trustworthy:
I mean, it sounds very conventional, but that's kind of news in and of itself given that there was some chit-chat about a perhaps more radical departure (e.g. a split-apart).
Baconsammy
Banned
What? You can't be a good show/movie without stars? Again, that's DUMB.
Yeah, damn you Steam for setting the bar so low!
Hallelujah.
Miles Quaritch
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It's about the glasses one uses to view the message.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
This was quite amusing, it is confusing technical terms to paint a picture.
From Anand's GCN article. Remember both Orbis and Durango GCN GPUs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4455/amds-graphics-core-next-preview-amd-architects-for-compute/3
So it looks like this guy SilverlightWPF is confused. There are four SIMDs per CU, each SIMD can process 16 threads per cycle (64 total per CU), but are bunched into 64 threads for each SIMD in four cycles ("lock step"). These are 32-bit threads, 64-bit performance is 0.5 that of 32-bit. So what he said about Orbis and Durango are correct, but they are true for both of them, these are standard GCN numbers. Of course the 14+4 info is old and incorrect.
That's what I don't understand. Nintendo and Sony have already revealed and expressed heavy digital focus next gen but MS' focus on digital content obviously means no used games?
Makes sense...>_>
Petrae
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Still not sold on a total block on used games, as has been suggested. GameStop wouldn't be as affected by activation codes that allow games to install on 360s for each use.
A total block on used by MS would be overkill; using activation codes or other tech to generate extra revenue per user can be implemented elsewhere. I think Sony does something similar.
It's not necessarily about "killing" used, as that will come in the next few years as digital distribution takes over. It's about having the technology to finally get a piece of that used game revenue pie that the industry has long been searching for and believes that it's entitled to.
From various leaked rumors about MS blocking used games, and having an always-online console, and GameStop witholding Digital Goals figures/projections, yeah, not too difficult to come up with that conclusion.
so why does withholding goals have to be negative? they can not announce a positive projection either if they are keeping things to themselves until MS announces..
I doubt MS is blocking used games.
If publishers were aggressively pushing this Sony would have to block then too.
MS blocking then by their own makes absolutely no sense. I doubt anyone could score big exclusives because of that feature alone. AAA games have huge budgets, publishers need as many platforms as possible to recoup costs.
Now if MS helps fund the game I can see it happening, but then again no used sales would not be the reason for the exclusivity deal. It would be money.
Frankly as much as I hope (and doubt) online only doesn't happen, at least it would make more sense to MS push this "feature" by itself.
As far as digital goes, Gamestop probably just knows that MS is going to have all games available digitally day 1 like Sony and have to react some way considering all consoles are supposed to have a big hard drive next gen.
Actually I think it is difficult to come to such a conclusion if you use common sense.
There have been rumors of both MS and Sony blocking used games.
Always-online looks to be a feature of both MS and Sony, but for some reason it's only associated with blocking used games on Durango.
GameStop witholding Digital Goals figures/projections probably has more to do with the fact that everyone's digital plans (mainly MS here) haven't been revealed yet.
I'm not saying it's impossible for Durango to block used games, but it's looking less and less likely but some of you seem to be holding on to the possibility.
Maximilian Kolbe
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http://club.tgfcer.com/thread-6638884-1-1.html
I saw that ex-UBI guy in TGFC(that chinese tech forum) talked about the same thing 2 days ago
"上周五项目收到了第一批Durango的Beta Kit，主机超大一个白盒子，新手柄。而且主机和手柄都贴着不规律黑色的胶带条纹，就和新车发布前的伪装似的。"
(Last Friday received the first batch of Durango Beta Kit,console is a huge white box,and new controller.Console and controller are plastered with irregular black stripes tape,like camouflage a new car before announce.)
But i didn't post it because it's from April 1 and he said it's dual APU lol
"最重要的是，Beta Kit竟然里面有两个APU，就和之前部分软饭猜测的一样。我操，这下猛了。"
(Most important thing is,the beta come with 2 APU,just like some MS fans guess.fuck that's crazy)
GAF would meltdown if true...
Nope. There have only been leaked rumors of Microsoft blocking used games. All that is out for Sony is having filed for a patent for the technology, but there have been no rumors about them using those patents nor blocknig used games; only Microsoft.
Your investors > Microsoft's agenda. You don't hold back positive financial projections.
statham
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holy shit.
OverHeat
« generous god »
salt will be spilled if true.
Yeah man... Indeed.
Maximilian Kolbe
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I doubt he have common sense when it's about Xbox
Four_Chamber
Member
Very interesting if true. I can't wait for Microsoft to release its specs already.
Gamestop being happy with Microsoft will shatter the hopes and dreams of many that the Xbox successor will block games. The logic trying to get around that inevitably is absolutely hilarious.
SniperHunter
Banned
Megaton confirmed
2 apu's means 2 video cards? Sounds pretty fake.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Secret saucemonium.
According to "BClifford" 2 1.2TF APUs
Posted 1st April
This also leaked on April 1st...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426157
Strange how we have 2 different sources talking about the stripes on the controller...
If you think this is fake, the entire Kotaku article would be fake as well.
gaming_noob
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What graphical advantage would 2 APUs provide, regardless of whether this is true or not?
Maybe a new thread?
Oppo
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I thought the "some reason" was Sony publically saying that you can play offline, and that used games will run...?
2 apu means 2 separate graphic processing units, which means they need some sort of crossfire to use the full power of the GPU's. Crossfire adds complexity with not much advantage over one GPU so I doubt this is true.
However... We don't know exactly what's in the new Beta kits. It's a bit too early to come to that conclusion. It's still a rumor anyway.
digoutyoursoul
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It could be shortening the timeframe for new games hitting Games on Demand
lol @ source
You would still require some Crossfire interface between the gpus.
soul creator
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translated said:
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fierce = official Pop-GAF support!
But seriously, I think these "dual APU" rumors are basically just referring to the "real" one that'll be used for Durango games, and then a separate one that could be used for Xbox 360 BC and/or low power system level stuff.
Same thing that the rumored $99 media player focused Xbox 360 would use. Of course, I'm pulling all of this out of my ass as I have no special inside info, but it kinda makes sense to me, *shrug*
AgentP
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Why? There is no source, who wants their name tarnished with more special sauce wishful thinking?
That was from last month.
Even if it was true some would still be in denial. I mean come on, in that thread I linked to the Forza 4 leak people were thinking it was faked.
SniperHunter
Banned
Create a new thread plz
Because the post and the Kotaku article talking about the striped devkits match.
True, but I really don't understand the advantage of having 2 apu's vs combining the cpu part of the apu into one cpu, going with a beefier video card, and combining those parts into one apu. One apu would be easier to code for, and not have crossfire issues.
If you can think of any, I'd love to hear it.
I've got nothing. It would certainly make deving on Xbox way harder than PS4.
But Reiko wants to give all rumours an equal chance. Let it be a new thread I say. Perhaps it'll rustle Proelite's, llherre's or GopherD's jimmies enough to get some answers.