Some of those shots look really great. CryEngine is still awesome at foliage.
I'm looking forward to seeing this game posted in the bullshot thread.
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Monster Hunter Online (Capcom/Tencent, CryEngine 3) officially announced
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I'm looking forward to seeing this game posted in the bullshot thread.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Not really. Any decent melee combat system does it, in action and in fighting games alike. Those that don't do it to a meaningful extent end up extremely shallow. Like Batman.
Maybe I just think way too much about a more realistic MH game where we actually have to "hunt" monsters and where we react more like seasoned hunters and not hunter robots.
Again, I am way too new to the MH series to be decrying anything but I have little hopes and dreams out there that I would love to see.
That's what I was getting at. Seems like most of the people who have actually played the past games aren't excited about this at all for a variety of reasons so far.
Doesn't really matter in the end though since this is completely separate from the mainline series, so it's not like MH is going the way of PC only, so I should probably shut up.
That's the stuff I look forward to. I'd take all these new stuff over pretty graphics. I'd love to have both, though. I'm also sad to see that underwater combat is leaving (yes, I love swimming in MH3).
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
You're hunting giant armored/thick skinned monsters, they need big swings, the weapons are heavy/giant to match, that's the justification if you really want hints of realism.
It wouldn't be more realistic to stop your giant hammer swing mid-way and roll around to avoid an attack, or instantly bring up your sheild in front of you when you're poking away with your lance. Unless you drop it.
As a hunter you're meant to learn to do your attacks when it's safe and where they matter.
Anyway, not that realism affects fun but animation priority is definitely more realistic than instant changes between attacking/dodging/blocking/running states. It's not like you're in some elegant fencing match.
It wouldn't be more realistic to stop your giant hammer swing mid-way and roll around to avoid an attack, or instantly bring up your sheild in front of you when you're poking away with your lance. Unless you drop it.
As a hunter you're meant to learn to do your attacks when it's safe and where they matter.
Anyway, not that realism affects fun but animation priority is definitely more realistic than instant changes between attacking/dodging/blocking/running states. It's not like you're in some elegant fencing match.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
*sigh*
I'm not even sure what a WiiU HD Ultimate version is going to even do to fix this games terrible visuals that seem to dip in parts below even PSP fare.
All while the CryEngine 3 version probably never leaves Japan.
Capcom always finding new ways to stick that knife right the fuck in.
Doesn't seem to stop the fans from picking it up though, the games are a hell of a lot of fun even without HD GRAFIX.
fabricated backlash
Member
Capcom's latest grand entry in the Monster Hunter Series using the all powerful next-gen high performance hardware of the 3DS:
Enjoy your shitty PS1 Graphics MH4, Nintendo noobs
Are you sore?
Did someone spit in your coffee?
Or are you just a sad fanboy?
That is true. Heavier weapons do need way more commitment to them. Actually a panic weapon-drop would be utterly hilarious mid fight.
Little things like drinking potions, why on earth do I need to flex afterwards?
The game has lots of little things that lock you into an animation, not just the combat.Devilgunman
Member
That is not S&S. It's a new weapon, insect staff, and I won't describe that animation as jumping because he basically just uses the staff to elevate himself, just like pole vault in track&field.
If you bothered to watch the MH4 trailers (which I assume you haven't) you'll notice they sacrificed a lot of texture detail and such and added much more advanced lighting and shadows, which really make the thing come alive in motion. Should they make a HD ver on WiiU they could add more compelling textures and you'll get a huge boost in graphical fidelity.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
That's just for fun, it has no bearing on the gameplay. Hints of humor and lighthearted elements are nice.
But in the end if they didn't have that they'd just make a slower drinking animation in order to give the same ratio of risk/reward for the same action.
Do you want the realism of eating a giant slab of meat too? I'm sure that would take way longer than the speed eating + belly patting after etc.
Not that guy. The one with flame SnS.
That is true. Heavier weapons do need way more commitment to them. Actually a panic weapon-drop would be utterly hilarious mid fight.
Little things like drinking potions, why on earth do I need to flex afterwards?
Makes it more riskier.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Fun games, sure, but for a fan such as myself that really likes fucking gorgeous graphics as well, it is pretttttttty frustrating that the latest 'official' incarnation has the worst visuals to date, not to mention 2014 or later. I cannot fucking imagine even looking at this sorta stuff in a post PS4/720 and iPad 5 world.
Now theres this particular slice of delightfulness that may well lack a little but I've endured far worse MMO combat systems to derive the fun times, and of course its forever China, donkeypunch wahoooooo~
True.I dunno. The main thing I really want is some actual hunting. None of this paintball stuff or being able to ping/telepathically track monsters. I want to track monsters via marks, or dung or just in places where their habitat is. All those books I buy that tell me nothing interesting. Part of this would be messed up by the zoning stuff but being able to travel a map with everything blending in would be great.
... Yea okay then.
Devilgunman
Member
Now I see. Damn I didn't notice this is in any trailer.
I see what you're saying. I'm not against good graphics for the MH series at all. My big problem with this game is that something just looks off about the game itself. That and the game just does not look great in CE3, IMO. The art style does not translate well to "realistic" style that this MHO seems to have right now.
As said above, that is a PSP screen, so it'd be hard for it to "dip below PSP fare."
EDIT: Oops, misread. It is from MH4.
This game will not be landing on a Nintendo console. Probably not stateside at least.
I very much doubt it'll be on consoles at all.
dragonlife
Member
This is a real post in 2013...Capcom's latest grand entry in the Monster Hunter Series using the all powerful next-gen high performance hardware of the 3DS:
Enjoy your shitty PS1 Graphics MH4, Nintendo noobs
Damn.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It's not the engine at fault, I'm sure Lost Planet 2 assets/textures/etc would look just as lovely in that engine as they did in MT Framework with some lighting tweaks. Engines don't dictate art style. This is just sloppy.
fabricated backlash
Member
MH is mostly used as a trump card, a trophy to parade around, rather than a game that people would actually buy.
It's popularity and impact on platform sales is a lot more important to many.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
You might want to catch up, thats a 3DS screen:
http://www.capcom.co.jp/monsterhunter/4/buki_13.html
Heres some more new classics:
The 3DS having less screen pixels to play with than the PSP is already a limiting factor of course (400x240 to 480x272) but making it worse is Capcom trying proper lighting in this go around from MT Framework rather than specially crafting each environment with baked stuff that can look the best it possibly can. This and whatever hit the climbing physics and animation stuff is taking away for visual oomph room, and you geta whole lotta ugly piped in.
Of course we at the very least had Wii level power for the last main entry and Tri. But now we're all in on 3DS. Lets hope the WiiU version is significantly different eh.
Tencent
Yeah, I edited it.
I mean, I get the point - that clearly the series hasn't evolved much on a technical level. But implying that all criticism of MHO boils down to Nintendo fanboyism is dumb.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'd be saying the exact same if we were still getting a PSP entry in 2014. MonHun fans have become pretty militant in response to the world battering them with "yeah, but fucken hell those last gen visuals" and the responses that come out read weird to me.
Like you can crit the animation and the gameplay look, but calling any of the above shots I posted "sloppy" is something a little too weird. Especially when one can drag an internal expectations slider down to Lowest Settings and be like "this is okay!!" when looking at MonHun 4.
lol, ok. I'll play MH4 over this, thank you very much.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
So not even cryengine 3 can't help this game from looking like a complete mess, hard to believe considering how amazing Deep Down looks
Wasn't clear - but I was referring to 709zzy, not you.
MH4 looks smooth in gameplay footage, which we've only really got from one location. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h87GpGZGA4
It's true Capcom's sacrificed some of of the simplicity of Tri that made 3Ultimate look good on the portable for more ambitions design, but it's less noticeable than pitched here. 3DS screens are, no exaggeration, often not how the product comes off when actually played. This is not how Luigi's Mansion looks in the flesh
It's true Capcom's sacrificed some of of the simplicity of Tri that made 3Ultimate look good on the portable for more ambitions design, but it's less noticeable than pitched here. 3DS screens are, no exaggeration, often not how the product comes off when actually played. This is not how Luigi's Mansion looks in the flesh
It's because the graphics don't detract from the gameplay, which is what a good majority of the MH fanbase is there for.
Yes, the screenshots look bad, but it looks better in motion and runs smoothly while Tigrex quickly leaps around the screen.
What I think a lot of people forget is MH is a franchise that only found success on portable systems. It's a portable franchise mainly, now. Doubly so now with MH4 providing online from the get-go. If you're looking at MH to provide breathtaking AAA HD graphics, you're looking at the wrong series.
MuddyDonut
Member
Longest 3 minute trailer I've watched in a while.
It's just a visual cue. Drinking a potion does take X seconds. That length is balanced and part of the gameplay, and can not and will not change. They could remove the flexing and just make the actual drinking slower or add another gulp or two, but what would that improve? Nothing. It would make the timing harder to get, and it would remove part of the trademark MH humor while adding fuck all to the experience.That is true. Heavier weapons do need way more commitment to them. Actually a panic weapon-drop would be utterly hilarious mid fight.
Little things like drinking potions, why on earth do I need to flex afterwards?
Not only are your screens showing an alpha that doesn't represent the game at all (you won't see texture seams in the final version for example), your math is completely wrong as well. 3DS resolutions is 1120x240 (2 * 400 * 240 + 320 * 240). That's what the GPU has to render.
Seriously, what has Capcom been doing? At least make MH4 look comparable to MH3G which
came out on the exact same platform... As of now, the graphics look so bad it looks even
worse than the psp titles. Its almost like Capcom is treating this game as a joke.
3DS
PSP
kudos to the random no-name Chinese developers for their work on MHO.
last I heard, Capcom requested them to send over every individual piece of drawing
and model for approval and was very strict on how creative they could be with the game.
came out on the exact same platform... As of now, the graphics look so bad it looks even
worse than the psp titles. Its almost like Capcom is treating this game as a joke.
3DS
PSP
kudos to the random no-name Chinese developers for their work on MHO.
last I heard, Capcom requested them to send over every individual piece of drawing
and model for approval and was very strict on how creative they could be with the game.
MH4 renders 3D on the second screen? Because if not your math is quite fishy as well.
4 has bigger environments than 3G, so there you go: more textures per scene means less memory per texture. Also, Tencent isn't a "random no-name developer" - they're way bigger than Capcom. In fact, they're the third largest internet company in the world behind Google and Amazon, and with 20,000 employees, they're bigger than most Japanese devs put together.Seriously, what has Capcom been doing? At least make MH4 look comparable to MH3G which
came out on the exact same platform... As of now, the graphics look so bad it looks even
worse than the psp titles. Its almost like Capcom is treating this game as a joke.
3DS
PSP
kudos to the random no-name Chinese developers for their work on MHO.
last I heard, Capcom requested them to send over every individual piece of drawing
and model for approval and was very strict on how creative they could be with the game.
ThatObviousUser
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Seriously, what has Capcom been doing? At least make MH4 look comparable to MH3G which
came out on the exact same platform... As of now, the graphics look so bad it looks even
worse than the psp titles. Its almost like Capcom is treating this game as a joke.
3DS
PSP
This looks like a downsampled shot from P3rd HD.