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[Alo81]

Large group? I'd say that is stretching it a mile and a half.

That's why I said sizeable, not large. Neoenigma, Durante, Spazznid, LiquidMetal, and myself have all made mention. Sinatar made a remark that could be interpreted either way so I'm leaving him off that list because I don't know for sure how he feels about it.

Of the top 20 posters, that's a quarter of the people who post most often in this thread. Also, those are only those who have actually taken the time to speak on the matter. Surely others are in favor of SweetFx (as well as certainly others against it as well) who haven't taken the time to voice their opinion.

I wasn't trying to pretend as if 51% of all posters in this thread have said they'd like SweetFx allowed or anything, just that there is certainly a very active portion of users in this thread who would be in favor of it.

Then when every other poster was using SweetFX, it slowly turned into a "OMG share ur settings" type of deal. I think we had a week where it was nothing but SweetFX and setting sharing posts - That was also the week where I slowly stopped posting.

Well, what's wrong with that? Isn't that a really cool thing about having a community such as this? You can see someones screenshot and find it really visually appealing, and then share your settings among posters and play the game in the same way that you were just recently admiring. The fact that there was a week of people posting and sharing settings shows that there is certainly a demand for it, even if you yourself aren't personally a fan of it. If one of the things you really despise is people filling up threads asking for SweetFx settings, then why not just ban asking for others settings, rather than SweetFx all together?

So when we were making a new thread for bullshots, of course we weren't going to allow the single worst injector that is so easy to use and was the bane of the other thread for a long time, because 1-2 knows how to use it. You open the floodgates for a lot of rubbish.

I think you're really hyperbolizing what people end up with when using SweetFx. We've all seen it used terribly, but we've seen the same for ENB. Most of the time when you see SweetFx recently, it's either good, or mediocre.

I'm not going to just say "OKAY" because 5 people want to use SweetFX or don't mind it.

Well then to counter that, why say no just because a couple of people don't want it? I haven't done any actual counting of these numbers, but I feel as if I've seen more people for it than against it.

 

[Sethos]

So basically, because a few guys who are active in here feels a rule should be changed, we should just bow down and do it? No, it doesn't work like that. The people are already active in here, which means they must have accepted the said rule. If someone is so strongly against the rule; don't post here.

We have a great thread that has been going strong for years where people also can post their shots, which even allows SweetFX: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506297

Secondly, you say because people were doing something really annoying that we disliked and quite a few people disliked, we have to allow it because "that's what people wanted?" No, it simply doesn't work like that. We didn't create this thread to take over from the other thread or just hoard as many posters as we could find.

Corky and me made this thread because we wanted a different direction than the other thread, with a tighter rule-set. If people want to go SweetFX crazy and scream for setting sharing, there's a great thread for that; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506297

Thirdly, now you have to call what I say hyperbole because you don't agree? Sod off, really. If it wasn't a problem, we wouldn't have banned it. We both had the exact same experience and it's one of the reasons why this thread exists.

And "Why say no because a couple of people don't want it", those people happen to have made this thread, we created the rules and you know what would happen if we had to create a thread that was just about posting screenshots in downsampled resolutions? We'd just have this thread; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506297 Take #2.

Funny thing is, Corky and I were just talking on Steam, how to make this work, how to implement SweetFX on a trial basis and with some rules that made it acceptable for everyone, then I read your post, this weird insulting post that is overly defensive and becomes this muscle type of post ... I told Corky we'll put it on hold.

neoenigma approached me a few times, he's the reason why I started to consider reworking the rules plus he's doing wonders with SweetFX. He was also being polite and understanding in our conversations, despite not agreeing with the rules whatsoever. Just trying to muscle some opinion through doesn't help that process ... at all actually.

If there's anything, anyone want to take up with me or Corky regarding the rules - Please PM me or him from here on out, I'd appreciate that.

 

[Sethos]

Just to get the ball rolling again, testing out the new camera feature in ArmA 3. Pretty basic right now but with some love and the right features, it could become one of the greatest camera features implemented.

 

[The English Conquistador]

Posted this in the other thread but, felt it could be put here too.

 

[Sethos]

Oh that's a great shot man.

 

[The English Conquistador]

Thank you Sethos.

 

[MrRoderick]

Just to get the ball rolling again, testing out the new camera feature in ArmA 3. Pretty basic right now but with some love and the right features, it could become one of the greatest camera features implemented.

It's amazing! I literally bought Arma 3 for it. I've since been digging through it a lot. Its so elaborate that it's intimidating, considering the editor as well. I just wish they would add in a proper Bokeh Dof formula (and shit if it reacted to aperture size???)

Are you entering the contest?

 

[Sethos]

It's amazing! I literally bought Arma 3 for it. I've since been digging through it a lot. Its so elaborate that it's intimidating, considering the editor as well. I just wish they would add in a proper Bokeh Dof formula (and shit if it reacted to aperture size???)

Are you entering the contest?

Wasn't the plan. I feel it's too basic, focus feature doesn't seem to work which I suppose was going to be a bokeh feature, aperture is a bit week, camera is a bit jerky, setting changes are really janky and I was taking a shot of an explosion but as I was changing the ToD settings, the colours get all screwed up.

So I'll give it some time however it's a decent first-pass implementation and the possibilities with it are endless.

I wish a developer would add a 1:1 replication of a DSLR, like GT5. Now that would make my year.

 

[Spazznid]

I need to get more shots, but every time I go into Skyrim, my performance seems to get worse...

Oh, also. Not to put this arguement back up, but I'd like not to be on the list of people who want the rules changed.

I disagree with the rule, but it's not my rule. I feel like Sethos is right in that we have another thread for SweetFX shots, and for that reason, we shouldn't complain about not having that here.
I wouldn't get mad if the rule changed, but I'm perfectly ok with the fact that it wont any time soon. If I have a shot that doesn't comply with the rules, I'll refrain from posting it in this thread.

 

[Alo81]

So basically, because a few guys who are active in here feels a rule should be changed, we should just bow down and do it? No, it doesn't work like that. The people are already active in here, which means they must have accepted the said rule. If someone is so strongly against the rule; don't post here.

I never said that, I said because there is a very active portion who feels it could benefit this thread, that it warrants consideration. Also, just because people are already posting in here doesn't mean that they agree with everything about it. Obviously they don't, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned it. That's just completely misinterpreted.

Secondly, you say because people were doing something really annoying that we disliked and quite a few people disliked, we have to allow it because "that's what people wanted?

Once again, not at all what I said.

Thirdly, now you have to call what I say hyperbole because you don't agree? Sod off, really. If it wasn't a problem, we wouldn't have banned it. We both had the exact same experience and it's one of the reasons why this thread exists.

I didn't say it was hyperbole because I simply didn't agree. I said it was hyperbole because you were making it seem as if the existence of SweetFx completely ruined the other thread.

And "Why say no because a couple of people don't want it", those people happen to have made this thread, we created the rules and you know what would happen if we had to create a thread that was just about posting screenshots in downsampled resolutions? We'd just have this thread; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506297 Take #2.

I wholly don't think it would have just been that thread. There have been examples in this thread that people have posted, using SweetFx, that completely fit in thematically with everything else that's been posted. I don't think there are many people who would argue that one of the key differences between a good bullshot and a normal screenshot is that you do not take extra time to tweak settings that make it appear exactly as you want.

Funny thing is, Corky and I were just talking on Steam, how to make this work, how to implement SweetFX on a trial basis and with some rules that made it acceptable for everyone, then I read your post, this weird insulting post that is overly defensive and becomes this muscle type of post ... I told Corky we'll put it on hold.

If that's how you read my post, then I think you completely misinterpreted it. Also, if you're happy to actively ignore the community that posts in the thread which you made for said community, simply because "I made the thread so i don't care what the comunity wants because that guy seemed a bit rude", then I personally feel it's really unfortunate that you happen to be the one who took part in making the bullshot thread. Obviously no ones going to make another Bullshot thread only to allow SweetFx, and I don't think it's a big enough issue that it warrants another separate screenshot thread, it's just unfortunate that you seem to be having a bit of an ego trip.

neoenigma approached me a few times, he's the reason why I started to consider reworking the rules plus he's doing wonders with SweetFX. He was also being polite and understanding in our conversations, despite not agreeing with the rules whatsoever. Just trying to muscle some opinion through doesn't help that process ... at all actually.

I don't understand where you're getting that I'm trying to muscle opinions. I was never saying "You better change the rules because these people don't like em!", all I had said was that it was worth consideration because a significant portion of the content submitted by the people in this thread is due to people who feel it's worth trying out, even if only temporarily.

 

[Sethos]

I already asked you to PM me if you had any more concerns, don't post here if you don't like the rules as they stand now, simple.

 

[Alo81]

I already asked you to PM me if you had any more concerns.

I'm perfectly fine with that, but I didn't feel comfortable leaving it off with people having a public impression of me as you had painted me so I felt the need to clear the air with my own post. I would appreciate a response to my last post in PM.

 

[Thorgal]

removed it is then .

 

[Alo81]

Hmm, I'm not sure I would call that a bullshot. There's some very visible aliasing all over the place.

Just curious, were you using the games in built SSAA?

 

[Thorgal]

Hmm, I'm not sure I would call that a bullshot. There's some very visible aliasing all over the place.

Just curious, were you using the games in built SSAA?

its quite an old shot

i know the settings was at extreme

but to tell the truth i don't know at wich resolution this was but because all my shots are taken at 3200 x 1800 and then immediately resized to 1080 i assumed this one was also
taken like that.

it could be legit or it could be a dud

so short answer : i am not sure.

if you or sethos don't think its one i will remove it.

 

[jim2point0]

Removed because those trees actually looked pretty bad. Swapping it with this one:

 

[Alo81]

its quite an old shot

i know the settings was at extreme

but to tell the truth i don't know at wich resolution this was but because all my shots are taken at 3200 x 1800 and then immediately resized to 1080 i assumed this one was also
taken like that.

it could be legit or it could be a dud

so short answer : i am not sure.

if you or sethos don't think its one i will remove it.

Like Neoenigma mentioned above, Bullshots isn't about the resolution rendered at, you should just try and keep it as alias-free as possible.

I can't and wouldn't say that you have to remove it, I can only say that personally, I wouldn't consider that shot as a Bullshot because of the aliasing.

 

[antitrop]

I really like the composition of private's Sleeping Dogs shot, it's just unfortunate about the aliasing.

 

[Thorgal]

I really like the composition of private's Sleeping Dogs shot, it's just unfortunate about the aliasing.

i like it too. but id rather upload something that i am sure off is done right rather then one who is questionable.

still it is also on the high res thread so its not a total loss .


also i must thank neoenigma about making me aware about faststone image viewer. it is great.

 

[Alo81]

I really like the composition of private's Sleeping Dogs shot, it's just unfortunate about the aliasing.

Yeah I should probably clear up, it definitely wasn't a bad shot, just noticeably aliased.

 

[RibbedHero]

 

[Sethos]

 

[RibbedHero]

http://i5.minus.com/iTCljqFdNddt7.png

Edit: Will retake at higher resolution.

 

[jim2point0]

While we're being picky, I think you need to go a bit higher than 1440p in BF3 to get that bullshot look.

 

[RibbedHero]

While we're being picky, I think you need to go a bit higher than 1440p in BF3 to get that bullshot look.

Duly noted, it's just that 1440p for playing and taking screenshots without having to leave the game or change settings in between. Fair point though, I'll keep 1440p screenshots in the High-Res thread.

 

[jim2point0]

You sacrifice that FPS in the pursuit of great screenshots! Or just get crazy hardware =P

 

[Spazznid]

You sacrifice that FPS in the pursuit of great screenshots! Or just get crazy hardware =P

http://i.minus.com/ijCutTG2MQlbY.png

http://i.minus.com/ikppTPNu29jQj.png

Dat feels.

 

[antitrop]

 

[MrRoderick]

 

[Tunavi]

Bullshot

 

[Corky]

http://abload.de/img/arma32013-04-2201-08-kfeeu.png[/IMG[/QUOTE]

Amazing :)!

 

[Nibel]

When are getting the "ArmA 3 has the best lighing in gaming"-thread exactly?

 

[Shaneus]

Is there some kind of repository where I might be able to find how to remove the HUD in specific games? I know WSGF is one (kinda), but wouldn't know where else to look.

 

[Thorgal]

Is there some kind of repository where I might be able to find how to remove the HUD in specific games? I know WSGF is one (kinda), but wouldn't know where else to look.

I don't know but I pm Corky once about an idea for a thread about that but nothing heard since.

 

[Corky]

Is there some kind of repository where I might be able to find how to remove the HUD in specific games? I know WSGF is one (kinda), but wouldn't know where else to look.

I don't know but I pm Corky once about an idea for a thread about that but nothing heard since.

Yeah I've been pretty busy as of late

I personally like the idea of a general pc-gaming tweak thread with specifics on each 'big-name' game. I'm open for suggestions though I'm neckdeep in some work right now so if we want to make something together I might have to wait a while before jumping aboard.

 

[jim2point0]

Yeah I've been pretty busy as of late

I personally like the idea of a general pc-gaming tweak thread with specifics on each 'big-name' game.

Joanne Harper from DeadEndThrills is pushing to have a DeadEndThrills wiki created. It's been started, but it still pretty sparse. The idea is to load this WIKI with as much information as we can about how to achieve screenshots in various video games.

For anyone that doesn't know, DeadEndThrills is the site\blog\whatever for Duncan Harris, one of the best game screenshotters in ze world. He's since added on Nic Clapper and Joanna Harper. Anywho, DET has a community Flickr group where people submit their best screenshots (though its not moderated and the standards of quality have dropped a lot). It's a very active community though, and a LOT of knowledge is shared there about how to achieve screenshots in various games where the devs have made it quite hard. I've made a few threads myself for the no-clip hacks I've created in Cheat Engine for those brave enough to use them.

SO that being said, it would be cool if more people wanted to add as much info to this wiki as they could. Even if you just want to tell people how to remove the HUD for a game.

Problem is, everyone is like Corky here. We don't have a ton of time and we like to use that time to play games and take screenshots if we're into that sorta thing. It would be cool to have a forum thread here on GAF as well... so long as the first post was updated with all the info. I just think that could get huge REALLY FAST and a WIKI might be a better format. *shrug*

Again, here is the link to that WIKI - http://www.deadendthrills.com/wiki/doku.php?id=start

Here is Joanne's original message:

We would very much like you to funnel your knowledge and experience into an upcoming Wiki which will be accessible from the main DeadEndThrills website. At the moment, it can be viewed here: www.deadendthrills.com/wiki/doku.php?id=start

There is currently no direct link to the Wiki from the main website. This will change soon, and anyone will be able to edit it. But in the meantime we want to get some content up there and "kick start" it. The idea is to make this sub-hobby of gaming a little more accessible, and to allow other contributors to our Flickr to branch out of their comfort zone into different games without needing to spend hours on Google and experience the normal trial-and-error that we've become accustomed to.

Managing the Wiki is a little bit different than normal "Wikia" pages you might have seen. This is because we wanted it to be hosted on our servers rather than through an ad-supported thirdparty. It only takes a few minutes of reading to get the hang of the differences though and it should be fairly easy to grasp.

If you would like to contribute, feel free to register, and add whatever you feel is relevant. Pages on specific games are encouraged, as well as pages on generic commands/bindings for different engines. But basically, anything at all that you feel is relevant to DET and "game photography" (I even made a page for Fraps.) The distant goal is for the Wiki to be the ultimate resource for this hobby, where you just can type in the name of a game, and have all the necessary information right there for you to use. But right now, we need people to help get it started. We can't do it on our own.

It's a good idea to read this: www.deadendthrills.com/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax

That will give you some idea of how pages need to be formatted. You can also scroll to the bottom of a page I've already created and click "edit this page" to see how I formatted it.

 

[MrRoderick]

Amazing !

Thanks Corky!

When are getting the "ArmA 3 has the best lighing in gaming"-thread exactly?

Haha, right?

Joanne Harper from DeadEndThrills is pushing to have a DeadEndThrills wiki created. It's been started, but it still pretty sparse. The idea is to load this WIKI with as much information as we can about how to achieve screenshots in various video games.

I have been thinking quite a lot for a while now about how great a thread for tools and
techniques would be. So much of that comes out in these threads, but it becomes hard to find and dive deeper into. I think what we're doing is becoming a robust community and aspect of gaming, and I'm sure it will get bigger and bigger. Having a way to share knowledge, and to the strength of NeoGAF, discuss that knowledge, would help make that growth as fruitful as possible for everyone.

I like the ideas of wikis, but there's that screenarchery one that no one updates or anything, and I think that while the DET one would be better supported and helpful, it would be hard to glean as much as you can with a forum like this. Yes, the first post needs curating, but if it can be done for Nvidia Inspector bits, it could be done for screenshots tweaks. And a forum also gives a way for requesting new knowledge, discussion, yada yada.

I've talked about the idea with a few people, but didn't really think it was my place to make such a thread. However, I'd be willing to do the work to keep it organized. To me one of the best possible outcomes is using GAF people-power to maybe even be able to get a response here and there from devs to actually help us out. I've seen crazier shit done around here before if I recall.

 

[Thorgal]

Thanks Corky!



Haha, right?



I have been thinking quite a lot for a while now about how great a thread for tools and
techniques would be. So much of that comes out in these threads, but it becomes hard to find and dive deeper into. I think what we're doing is becoming a robust community and aspect of gaming, and I'm sure it will get bigger and bigger. Having a way to share knowledge, and to the strength of NeoGAF, discuss that knowledge, would help make that growth as fruitful as possible for everyone.

I like the ideas of wikis, but there's that screenarchery one that no one updates or anything, and I think that while the DET one would be better supported and helpful, it would be hard to glean as much as you can with a forum like this. Yes, the first post needs curating, but if it can be done for Nvidia Inspector bits, it could be done for screenshots tweaks. And a forum also gives a way for requesting new knowledge, discussion, yada yada.

I've talked about the idea with a few people, but didn't really think it was my place to make such a thread. However, I'd be willing to do the work to keep it organized. To me one of the best possible outcomes is using GAF people-power to maybe even be able to get a response here and there from devs to actually help us out. I've seen crazier shit done around here before if I recall.

Well there was once a thread made for it but the OT got permbanned and it was kind of a mess and not organized.
so if you ever want to start with a thread like that you can look here for some inspiration.

here is the old thread .
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456622

 

[Thorgal]

also better post a screenshot now or sethos is gonna think this has turned into a discusion thread.

 

[MrRoderick]

Well there was once a thread made for it but the OT got permbanned and it was kind of a mess and not organized.
so if you ever want to start with a thread like that you can look here for some inspiration.

here is the old thread .
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456622

Yeah I remember this. It would be somewhat similar, though mainly focused on screenshot-centric stuff. Plus more organization.

 

[jim2point0]

I like the ideas of wikis, but there's that screenarchery one that no one updates or anything, and I think that while the DET one would be better supported and helpful, it would be hard to glean as much as you can with a forum like this.

I like the idea of a WIKI simply because if I have a ton of info on a game, I can go on there and create a page myself with all the knowledge I find relevant. I mean you can end up with an entire page worth of info on a single game. I think a forum post would get too long, and trying to comb through a thread would be time consuming.

A thread for nvidia inspector bits is easy. You don't need more than a line per game to display that info. But some games could require paragraphs upon paragraphs to explain everything required to screenshot them.

And yeah, that screenarchery wiki flopped because nobody wanted to update it and nobody ever pushed for it to be updated.

To me one of the best possible outcomes is using GAF people-power to maybe even be able to get a response here and there from devs to actually help us out.

Or we can get the GAF train to convince racer_s to do a free cam mod for more games. I know Duncan threw some money at him to get the HUD situation worked out. And as wonky as his controls are, it's brilliant to have that camera mod in Sleeping Dogs. He's also did it for NSF Hot Pursuit\Most Wanted (I dont know the difference) and I've seen great screens as a result of that as well.

Devs will continue to make it hard for us to screenshot games, and I don't know why. It's free advertising.

EDIT: Sorry for adding more discussion to this thread. Here's a screenshot to help make up for it.

This scene looked pretty good to me, so I set up the free camera here when I entered this house and took a screenshot. Later on, something happened and we had to take cover. There was a security guy in the window outside. So I enabled free camera again (still in the same position) and ended up with this. Just a bit nicer because there's stuff going on, rather than a screenshot of a room.

 

[Alo81]

DeadEndThrills wiki

Sweet. I updated the Dolphin guide on there.

 

[MrRoderick]

I like the idea of a WIKI simply because if I have a ton of info on a game, I can go on there and create a page myself with all the knowledge I find relevant. I mean you can end up with an entire page worth of info on a single game. I think a forum post would get too long, and trying to comb through a thread would be time consuming.

A thread for nvidia inspector bits is easy. You don't need more than a line per game to display that info. But some games could require paragraphs upon paragraphs to explain everything required to screenshot them.

And yeah, that screenarchery wiki flopped because nobody wanted to update it and nobody ever pushed for it to be updated.

Doing it as a thread is not hard. For instance, discussion gets to a point where something is concrete, or someone offers something concrete, then highlights it as a 'post' a la the way we post shots here. A page long post is fine in that case. Then a link to that post is made in the first post. Not hard. There's more to be done to make it even cleaner. And in that you have discussion, unlike a wiki, where disparate parties are making changes and whatnot. It can get confusing. Its a better archive, but far less collaborative.

I think I might put some actual planning into a thread. We shall see.

 

[jim2point0]

Actually, I like the idea of a thread where the OP only links to individual posts that contain all the info for a single game. That would be great. Kinda like a little directory.

If a thread does get created, I'll be sure to contribute.

I thought that was another Arma 3 shot and was about to say.... "FINALLY. An arma 3 shot I like." But the image URL says it's Slender. Lol.

Either way, I like it

 

[antitrop]

I like it, too. There's something about the subdued colors and lighting for that new Slender that make it very easy to appreciate.

 

[MrRoderick]

Thanks fellas. Soon I think I'll have a more dramatic Arma 3 shot. There's a surprising amount to learn with it, and it has its own sorta built in SweetFX actually. So hopefully one will be to your taste.

As far as the thread, I have a request!

TO ALL BULLSHOTTERS

If you'd like, please try to get your best shot of a character with a camera. The first that comes to mind for me is the guy on the beach in Bioshock Infinite. I know there are others in other games, so try to whip up your best shit of such a character, and post it!

 

[antitrop]

Thanks fellas. Soon I think I'll have a more dramatic Arma 3 shot. There's a surprising amount to learn with it, and it has its own sorta built in SweetFX actually. So hopefully one will be to your taste.

As far as the thread, I have a request!

TO ALL BULLSHOTTERS

If you'd like, please try to get your best shot of a character with a camera. The first that comes to mind for me is the guy on the beach in Bioshock Infinite. I know there are others in other games, so try to whip up your best shit of such a character, and post it!

Might have to boot up this classic:

 

[Bruticis]

I already asked you to PM me if you had any more concerns, don't post here if you don't like the rules as they stand now, simple.

You have one of the worst god complexes I've seen on a forum in some time. What's the issue, no say in your personal life so you lash out here? I especially liked the part where you praised the worst injector known to mankind (hint, all of them are horrible but to pick ENB is quite hilarious) as some kind of masterpiece. Cyber bullies are real bad asses.

 

[Sethos]

I spent an entire week creating earth and this is the thanks I get?

 

[Alo81]

For those who want to see some ~*~REAL~*~ quality SweetFx work, click my image above.