Dion Blaster
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Wow I'm actually really excited about this game. I never imagined a sonic game would be something to consider when buying a new system.
Any of those games, flawed as they may be, are regarded as far superior (well maybe except phantom hourglass) than anything Sonic team had come up with in the last 15 years. Its the severity of their bad design choices that is somewhat baffling when they are bad.
That said, their good choices are outstanding. When they are good they truly shine, but when they are bad they are truly abysmal. Its quite interesting actually.
Agreed. They don't deserve that level of pessimism, but they do deserve cautious optimism because of past experience.
I like Generations and Colors more than all of those games.
That said, they are all great games regardless.
That's great and very valid, but not related to my point at all. Those two are good/great games. True.I like Generations and Colors more than all of those games.
That said, they are all great games regardless.
im okay with him throwing a "woo!" or some shit like that every now and then, just dont give him fucking dialogue, the game doesnt need it
works for Mario
Any of those games, flawed as they may be, are regarded as far superior (well maybe except phantom hourglass) than anything Sonic team had come up with in the last 15 years. Its the severity of their bad design choices that is somewhat baffling when they are bad.
That said, their good choices are outstanding. When they are good they truly shine, but when they are bad they are truly abysmal. Its quite interesting actually.
Generations sure as hell did, though.Not everyone thinks Colors broke this.
Sure, but they are all dated as hell. Only Sonic 1 remains playable. The rest of the games feature severe slowdown and questionable level design.Eh, I loved Sonic 1, Chaos and Triple Trouble. Granted they aren't the best Sonic games, but I had a lot of fun with them.
Ss is amazing man. It seems somewhat polarizing arround here but I just love that game. Give it a try if you get the chance.I would take Sonic Generations over either DS Zelda, they were both rather average games. Zelda or not. Twilight Princess is better than Sonic Gens in my view though, haven't played SS.
Ss is amazing man. It seems somewhat polarizing arround here but I just love that game. Give it a try if you get the chance.
I don't know what the fuck that is from but i NEED it in my life.
I don't know what the fuck that is from but i NEED it in my life.
Forgive the dumb question but is there still two Sonic Teams, and if so, which one is this being done by?
Forgive the dumb question but is there still two Sonic Teams, and if so, which one is this being done by?
Anybody know the extent of the Nintendo partnership on this game? Is Nintendo overseeing it? QAing it? Giving feedback? Developing it as a whole? Or are they just the publishers?
Forgive the dumb question but is there still two Sonic Teams, and if so, which one is this being done by?
Everyone knows the Zelda CycleColors and Generations are sufficiently good enough that - even if an individual had issues with them - any notion of a "cycle" of disappointment is a fantasy.
We might as well talk about "The Zelda Cycle" or "The Final Fantasy Cycle" at that point.
Am I the only one that did not like the sonic adventure games. There are so many glitches, camera issues etc.. I though sonic adventure battle 2 was okay but in terms of a 2d franchise becoming 3d sonic is quite bad compared to Mario. Zelda and metroid
Like I said in an earlier thread the best part of both sonic adventure games is Chao garden IMO.
Everyone knows the Zelda Cycle
1) New Zelda comes out, proclaimed the greatest game ever
2) Months pass, New Zelda determined worst piece of shit ever made
3) Newer Zelda announced, fanboys bitch about changes/gimmicks and bemoan the fact that Nintendo will never be as good as New Zelda
Can't wait to see what the Xbone/PS4 Sonic look like.
Lost World + self shadowing and motion blur.
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Everyone knows the Zelda Cycle
1) New Zelda comes out, proclaimed the greatest game ever
2) Months pass, New Zelda determined worst piece of shit ever made
3) Previous hated Zelda now considered acceptable with praise here and there
4) Newer Zelda announced, fanboys bitch about changes/gimmicks and bemoan the fact that Nintendo will never be as good as New Zelda
apparently naka went to america because he was tired of sega japan, found he couldn't communicate with the english-only-speaking people of sti and the american sonic team, and replaced them with japanese people for sonic 3 & knuckles.
it's confusing and this is probably wrong:
sega technical institute (1993-1996):
sonic the hedgehog 2
sonic x-treme (canceled)
sonic team usa/sega studio usa (1999-2008):
sonic adventure 2 (and sa2b)
sonic heroes
shadow the hedgehog
sonic team (1991-present):
toyoda era:
sonic the hedgehog
sonic cd
naka era:
sonic the hedgehog 3
sonic & knuckles
sonic adventure
(also includes everything from sti's games through shadow the hedgehog)
hd team:
sonic the hedgehog 06
sonic unleashed
wii team:
sonic and the secret rings
sonic and the black knight
sonic colors
combo:
sonic generations
sonic lost world
apparently naka went to america because he was tired of sega japan, found he couldn't communicate with the english-only-speaking people of sti and the american sonic team, and replaced them with japanese people for sonic 3 & knuckles.
then there was some fallout regarding sti using naka's nights engine for sonic x-treme perhaps without his permission. sega usa and sega japan kinda hated each other.
Not quite.
Sega of Japan paid their employees based on seniority, not performance, so when Naka found out he'd still be earning grunt money despite delivering such a massive hit with Sonic he threw a hissyfit and threatened to leave the company.
Mark Cerny, who had links to both SoJ and Sega of America, negotiated a compromise to keep both parties happy: Naka would stay with the company at large, but he and other members of Sonic Team would come over to the US and make the game as part of Sega Technical Institute, which would allow SoA to pay them a more "reasonable" salary.
Once Sonic 2 dropped and was another huge hit, Naka was able to get what he wanted from SoJ--he was given more money, more autonomy and a more prestigious title--so they went back to Japan. I don't think there was any real animosity or difficulty that came from working with STI.
(Naka's English is pretty good, incidentally, but he allegedly had a habit of pretending he couldn't understand English when people were telling him things he didn't want to hear.)
Honestly WW, TP, and SS are all in the same ballpark quality-wise, imo. Not sure what's so bad about any of those games to attract such vitriol from the fan base, not that they don't have their faults. I'm sure when Zelda Wii U is announced its reception will be as polarized as all of the post-MM entries.not that it was super widespread, but it was interesting when a couple people asked for twilight princess's wii controls back after skyward sword came out.
Once Sonic 2 dropped and was another huge hit, Naka was able to get what he wanted from SoJ--he was given more money, more autonomy and a more prestigious title--so they went back to Japan.
According to Sonic 2 level designer Tom Payne, the name "Genocide City" being chosen was due to the development team's "not quite complete grasp of the English language." During an interview with Payne, he went on to say that the team "may have been looking for a name that sounded dangerous," which resulted in the name "Genocide City" appearing in one of the Sonic 2 betas. It is now believed that Cyber City was the name conceptualized later on in order to remedy the zone's former name.
Even disregarding that you are cheating here by using an emulator for the graphical showpiece scene of SMG and compare it to real gameplay of a work in progress Sonic, you still have to remember that Sonic has to work at a great speed, so the streaming has to keep up with the game's speed, too.
IMO SMG looks tons better visually.
What recurring flaws are you speaking of? Actually I always only hear complaints about the game being speedy (duh, it's Sonic...), or easy (Generations may be easy, but try to get S-Ranks in Unleashed and tell me that they are obtained by holding up and boost. Such a ridicilous statement) or some momentum blurb. This is not calling out flaws, this is demanding that every Sonic game ever made should be a Sonic 1 level pack. While I myself love the Unleashed style (and also like the classic Sonics, though I think Sonic 1 is one of the weakest Sonic games if you only look at the main series, ignoring the obvious uber-stinkers like Sonic 2006) and would have been pumped for a new game of that kind, I'm also hyped for this new approach.The series does still have recurring flaws, despite them getting better. So, that's still a cycle.
I'm not trying to argue for the cycle, but rather that both sides of this don't really hold much ground.
this game looks so great.. i will buy a wii u for this!
I was expecting the 3DS version to be a Rush game.
I'm a bit disappointed.
Not quite.
Sega of Japan paid their employees based on seniority, not performance, so when Naka found out he'd still be earning grunt money despite delivering such a massive hit with Sonic he threw a hissyfit and threatened to leave the company.
Mark Cerny, who had links to both SoJ and Sega of America, negotiated a compromise to keep both parties happy: Naka would stay with the company at large, but he and other members of Sonic Team would come over to the US and make the game as part of Sega Technical Institute, which would allow SoA to pay them a more "reasonable" salary.
Once Sonic 2 dropped and was another huge hit, Naka was able to get what he wanted from SoJ--he was given more money, more autonomy and a more prestigious title--so they went back to Japan. I don't think there was any real animosity or difficulty that came from working with STI.
(Naka's English is pretty good, incidentally, but he allegedly had a habit of pretending he couldn't understand English when people were telling him things he didn't want to hear.)
I don't know what the fuck that is from but i NEED it in my life.
Wow that trailer made that game look way better than it really is. For those of you getting hyped, don't. You'll be saving yourself in doing so, it truly is a disaster in progress.