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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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SEGAvangelist
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For PS2 to PS3?
If so, one advantage MS has is Xbox Live. PSN (like it or not) has never offered the same experience. Personally I find myself using Xbox Live less and less, but the dudebros love it. If Sony can make an equal experience with PS4 (headset bundling is a huge step), then maybe the dudebros will convert.
This motivated me to go through the recent posts of our favourite insider, here's a summary of all the truthfacts (can't guarantee the interpretation!):
- Dead Rising 3 = exclusive
- ALL XB1 titles must have smartglass features
- The only reason EA is killing online passes is because they are going with mandatory online activation
- MS is 6 months behind in software development
- Respawn's new game is a timed exclusive on XB1, may also be on PC
- XB1 used to be always online, changed to every 24 hours after outcry
- Dragon Age 3, Mass Effect and Battlefield 4 are not exclusive
- Primal Carnage: Genesis is not a good game (ok, that one is not a megaton
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I think he also said that DR3 is a thing in the first place and that Halo 5 would use the Oculus Rift. I may be wrong on those though.
In my mind, it's obvious that when they are going to show something live, they're not just grabbing a bad version of the new xbone and go off to be interviewed, they're trying their best to shine.
We're not really reacting to unsubstantiated points, though. We're upset to learn that MS are lying to us, and a bit underwhelmed by them being so far behind and being in such disarray as they seemingly are. If you're following the development of news, I see no logical way you can defend MS being prepared, besides saying "but they're MS. Of course they're prepared". Everything points to the contrary. MS is not releasing any info, that's another problem. And yet again, hard to make something that's positive into negative, if that's what you're arguing.
The way MS could have locked this down was to have some sort of backward compatibility. Some kind. Even if it was just XBLA games. But not even the controller or headset is cross compatible? There's absolutely no reason for a Microsoft fan who enjoys mostly 3rd party games to be beholden to this hardware as it offers nothing but a friends list carryover and still same "pay for it" online and a much weaker system.
Amir0x, that is quite the list. It's pretty damning too.
Seriously, this consoles is primed for failure imo if they don't show a massive amount of awesome games.
I'm not saying anything definitive here. Sony could very well have an amazing heat reduction system that does not necessitate any underclocking. However it could be a real possibility given the hot running technology that is in play here.
These are things that all hardware manufacturers must deal with.
Relaxed Muscle
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I remember ppl saying that 250$ was clear too much for handheld whatever the specs. I'm not gonna say for sure, but IMO since the Wii, GAF as a whole barely put that much negativity or positivity around a console.
I think they shouldn't be too worried, because their media coverage outside the enthusiast gamer community is actually not bad at all. It is not even that bad on most game-related media. Most of the media is not even mentioning the performance difference in informed detail; nor any other negative aspect about the XBone in a persistent and substantiated way. And I do not see why E3 will change that.
In the end, it'll boil down to price, the best ad campaign, and the brand people already owned during current gen. Nothing else.
BigJonsson
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Can't believe I'm probably going to own a Sony console....16 year old me is crying
unless PS4 is like 500+ bucks Canadian
unless PS4 is like 500+ bucks Canadian
Great Fucking List. This tops the 599 pricepoint by fucking thousands of miles. That wasn't even an issue to many people.
Wildstar75
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Regarding the Indy thing, they started back tracking on that since the announce. What blows my mind is they want to compete with the future of Apple TV and Google TV but they haven't announced an open app store that can play Win 8 RT apps. And when questioned on it I believe they said porting apps from Win8 requires real work. Hopefully that will change.
EDIT: Interesting article here...
http://www.zdnet.com/the-third-screen-will-all-windows-8-apps-run-on-microsofts-xbox-one-7000015757/
Read the Vita price announcement thread of "249 dollars!" It was like the second coming of Christ. People were already digging Nintendo's 3DS grave.
Crying because you will own the vastly superior console with the best 1st parties on the planet? Seems weird to me.
Are you a gamer?
Giant Panda
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Dev tools: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563757
CBOAT confirmed MS first party development behind:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550584
someone else already sourced the indie policies.
If you don't mind PC:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/524168447/the-stomping-land
Funded, 14 hours to go
This is what people seem to be forgetting. The only thing that Sony may be following suit of Microsoft is the price tags of both Xbox One & PS4.
Also agree. The Xbox brand is strong, but it isn't exactly as very strong like the Playstation brand is still.
demosthenes
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This motivated me to go through the recent posts of our favourite insider, here's a summary of all the truthfacts (can't guarantee the interpretation!):
- Dead Rising 3 = exclusive
- ALL XB1 titles must have smartglass features
- The only reason EA is killing online passes is because they are going with mandatory online activation
- MS is 6 months behind in software development
- Respawn's new game is a timed exclusive on XB1, may also be on PC
- XB1 used to be always online, changed to every 24 hours after outcry
- Dragon Age 3, Mass Effect and Battlefield 4 are not exclusive
- Primal Carnage: Genesis is not a good game (ok, that one is not a megaton
Going to be pissed if Dead Rising 3 is X1 exclusive and doesn't even come to PC. I assume it will be timed if exclusive, I hope :\
Damn, what a surprise: Dude joined the day before the Microsoft Xbox One reveal.
The signal:noise ratio on these crazies is seriously out of control from all the insanity. How someone could post the above with a straight face after all the endlessly sourced posts and news stories factually proving otherwise is just...
...what level of cognitive dissonance with this be?
TheJollyCorner
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might as well add
● ...borrowing images of PS4 exclusives to make your system look better...
to the list as well.
Delusibeta
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The complete lack of backwards compatability has made the Xbox Live advantage somewhat moot, since it gives Sony a chance to get a similar or better experience out there for free, and make Live Gold look like (even more of a) ripoff. That said, Microsoft has always done better at advertising, in my opinion, so who knows?
uuaschbaer
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Jake Tower
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No... it involved the 'super core guys' ...
demosthenes
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No, that would be silly.
Quadraphonic
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One that you are paid to have.
I think anybody thinking that Microsoft would somehow dominate this upcoming gen are simply being shortsighted, but it is far from impossible that they could end up doing as good or even slightly better than is the case with the 360.
That said, Halo in decline? It's the best selling one in the franchise, and in my opinion, the best game in the franchise. I'm no fan of MP (always felt Halo MP was just hype, could never find what was so good about it), so I can't speak to whatever was done in that regard, but the campaign to me was incredible, and Master Chief and Cortana have honestly never been done more justice as characters than they were in Halo 4. Gears, I actually agree with you. I think that series has been in decline since after the first game. I thought the first one did some really nice things that hinted at some exciting future potential, but then with each sequel, it seemed to go in a direction that I thought wasn't to its benefit. But that's just me. Forza is a fucking amazing franchise. It's one thing to be a Gran Turismo fan, but to say Forza doesn't have shit on an unreleased game you haven't played? Forza has been competitive with Gran Turismo as a racing sim from day one, imo, even if they can't make nearly as awesome a trailer as PD
And I think Gran Turismo has a more realistic looking art style, whereas Forza's is more stylized (some say cartooney, I disagree), but I think it looks great nonetheless. And the gameplay is amazing, so, again, I just don't agree with it not having shit on GT.
And you say you aren't counting them out, but you coulda fooled me with comments like that about a game as strong as Forza. Either way, as much we love to follow all this stuff, it's really all about the games at the end of the day. A lot of people simply don't care about a lot of side issues that they don't feel affect their core enjoyment of games. If the games lineup looks strong and the games themselves when people look at them in action gets people excited, then Microsoft is fine, and all the fire and brimstone just ends up being noise. To be honest, a lot of this Microsoft doom and gloom is remarkably reminiscent of the 360 before launch (even though few will admit that these days), and even reminiscent of the 360 shortly after launch. It's always near impossible to win a fight, much less even be in the discussion when you're busy punching at the heavens, and that's what Microsoft now finds itself doing against the PS4, much like they were doing when up against what was then viewed as a much more powerful Playstation 3 at the time that was more advanced in almost every way.
I think once both systems are out and released, and we are a year or two in, we'll have a look back at the build up to launch and hopefully learn some valuable lessons for future console transitions (no way, circle of life and all that jazz!) Now, admittedly, the PS4 is clearly the stronger console this time around. There's no denying this, and it isn't as complex to develop games for, but (and I've said this many times) Xbox One is also easier to develop for than the 360 was, and ultimately the games always have the final say. Games have been more responsible and instrumental to the success or failure of game platforms than any other factor, and that especially includes hardware specs.
Diving headfirst into every negative sounding rumor, completely working ourselves into a frenzy will easily make it look like there's a 5 alarm fire over at MS HQ. It isn't hard to do, I've seen it many times before. And like I said before, I still absolutely stand by what I said, nothing has changed since last night, but isn't it interesting how quickly the fact that a very similar thing was mentioned regarding possible gpu downclocks etc happening to the PS4 also, and yet that part of the rumor has been swept under the rug about as quickly as it popped up? Now, I genuinely believe thuway really heard this from somebody, and he said Sony devs told him that the PS4 is fine, even though someone else also told him that the PS4 could face downclocks also (something I don't see happening *my opinion*), but what exactly would Microsoft developers say? Would anything they have to say even mean anything at this point, or would it just be Microsoft devs doing what they are paid to do, and that's defending the console? It just seems negative news is always greeted with more wide open arms compared to the positive. That isn't to say no MS devs would have any criticisms of decisions made, but we are missing a pretty big part of the picture regarding Xbox One. Microsoft did their reveal, but they didn't exactly open up the floodgates. They just admitted the thing exists.
Well, the positive news is that E3 is 5 days away. Developers will talk on both sides and, best of all, we will see real games, even though some folks already seem prepared to disregard anything impressive shown by the Xbox One as simply smoke and mirrors running on some mystery hardware that couldn't possibly have anything to do with real Xbox One hardware. Nothing can be done about that. On to E3 it is!
You were homeschooled, weren't you?
Thanks brother, very interesting on the dev tools stuff.
Haha I missed that story. Da fug!? lol Sourced with you for credit, thanks. I just added it in as a joke though, 'cause that's more like a simple funny slip up than anything game changing
BigJonsson
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No, 16 year old me joined gaming-age forums to defend Nintendo against Sony
Sony was evil to me lolI'm excited to play Sony 1st party games
fart town usa
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This is all pretty insane, wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if it's all true.
Makes me all the more excited for E3.
Makes me all the more excited for E3.
I tend to agree, but this gen transition is also the first one where players will want to carry their XBL/PSN accounts to a new console. This might influence some people I guess?
Jake Tower
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It's quite vexing.
GoofsterStud
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LOL, is this real?
Guess they are to high in the cloud to come back down to reality.
QuantumBro
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Wow, you'd think they would show Quantum Leap over COD: Ghost, but including Killzone as well wow.
makingmusic476
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At the time, both handhelds were $249.99. When Nintendo drastically cut price and started including free games, that obviously changed the equation.
Currently, the XBO is expected to cost as much or more than the ps4. If Microsoft somehow undercuts Sony by $100, that yet again changes the equation.
You guys are intentionally ignoring crucial details in building your "gaf is always wrong!" narrative.
I NEED SCISSORS
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All i've learned from this thread is that the more insider info one has, the more inept one becomes at using their keyboard.
Is there any known concrete benefit that transfering existing XBL/PSN accounts will bring?
the power of buttocks.
legacyzero
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If Bish had his way, we just might!
Other than the DRM, these are not different problems, they are all symptoms of the same issue.
Basically, MS decided at the beginning of Xbox One development that they wanted it to be an all around entertainment center with a strong focus on TV and wanted the system to be able to share apps with Windows 8.
For this reason they needed to dedicate 3GB of RAM to the OS.
For this reason they needed 8GB of RAM total.
To not break the bank and work within current tech limitations they had to use DDR3.
DDR3 alone would not give them the necessary gaming performance so they needed a huge amount of ESRAM on the APU and the Move whatevers.
This meant the APU had to be much more complex than the PS4's despite inferior performance.
This has lead to yield and performance problems.
All of this has put them way behind schedule.
So you see the entire problem is they tried to make a gaming console where gaming was not the primary focus. All problems have stemmed from there.
I am likely wrong on some of the technical details but this is what I have gathered from reading this thread.
You start with your trophiechievments I guess :{
Nah - that's probably an honest mistake (or prank) by an intern.
What I personally find hilarious is the fact that this fits perfectly into the narrative of role reversal between Sony and MS. This gen GT5 was accidently advertised with PGR screenshots....
Lambda Pie
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buttocks is kayfabe incarnate. that's what makes it so great.
To reword; Can't believe it until it's confirmed with something other than text on the internet?
MS won't jump into the sea of hate and say 'yep we fucked up', but how can i take this evidence as concrete truth?
E3 will show gameplay, yes? I guess we can judge it then for ourselves?
MS won't jump into the sea of hate and say 'yep we fucked up', but how can i take this evidence as concrete truth?
E3 will show gameplay, yes? I guess we can judge it then for ourselves?
scion_barzahd
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Just read the whole thing... Go home xbox... Go home...
Not to my knowledge. But some people will probably feel like they invested time in their account and will want to keep their gamercard and trophies, etc.
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