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Space Channel 5: Part 3: The Fighting Game??? FUCK YEAH!!!
Emperor Bohe
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why can't they eat on stream?
SolarPowered
Member
Peter's been holding out on me, hasn't he?
It's coming.
Oh my God, this name is too good. :lol
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YAAAAAAAY
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Where did you pick this up ?
He's MD, not NY.
oh,nevermind
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Why wouldn't it?
A question to anyone who is around...
How well known is the SF player Mepu?
Is she average/good/great/amazing? I know she usually mains Sagat.
Thanks for any info
I watch lots of sf and never heard of her.
I think Im saying it wrong. P1 iron man has P2's phoenix,and assist doom in a combo. phoenix having 5 meters and dies. Dark phoenix comes and the 5 meter should be used. yet p2 has 2 meters left.
Because they are.
Gonna need a time stamp on that... that sounds like a glitch.
SloaneRisette
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It's coming.
It took me some time to get my focus off the wallpaper and then finally realize the desktop icon, lol.
Ulala back in SASRT2? YES!
It's coming.
A question to anyone who is around...
How well known is the SF player Mepu?
Is she average/good/great/amazing? I know she usually mains Sagat.
Thanks for any info
I only first became aware of her during the topanga cup 5v5. I would seriously put my doubts on many knowing her. I would estimate her as above average, from what i had seen
irfaanator
Banned
he's talking about the new england vs mh team match that just happened. It was pzpoy versus that thor player (something fayle). Dude had phoenix and another character in a combo w/ doom. Finished combo w/ air finger lasers. Dark phoenix rose, and ne player was able to dhc into thor to finish off the other character in combo. Phoenix lands and supers to kill thor.
im probably confused. was xf3 on ? or maybe 2 meters can be built off a simple combo 4 hit combo.
Karsticles
Member
Dark Phoenix in XF3 builds meter ridiculously fast. A basic combo for her builds 2-3 bars.
i stand corrected then. ill wait for the archive. never mind.
on another note.
if dark phoenix shoots out projectiles as a ability. shouldn't they reduce her x factor boost to regular phoenix?
Karsticles
Member
I just chugged curdled milk. :-(
The one thing Dark Phoenix does not need is more nerfs.
well, they could tone down the fire effects so that people can see what the hell is happening a little better. or just color code stuff a little more distinctly. That aspect of it is still bullshit.
Karsticles
Member
Double her blast radius on death, remove TACs, and eliminate all guaranteed Dark Phoenix kill methods, and I'll agree. Until she can't be cheated out of Dark Phoenix form, she can 1-shot every character in the game with blockstun for all I care, and it would be fair. She just takes that much work to get compared to anything else in the game. Hell, without TAC combos or Dark Harmonizer, it's almost not possible to get 5 bars before you kill your opponent's team.
A question to anyone who is around...
How well known is the SF player Mepu?
Is she average/good/great/amazing? I know she usually mains Sagat.
Thanks for any info
I remember seeing her in tournament last year. If I remember correctly, she was great but not as good as the top Sagats in Japan.
That's where I heard of her, I think. I looked her up afterward and she had a couple of recorded videos from Vanilla, but not much else.
Speaking of Topanga, I need to watch the rest of the Topanga GATE archives from last night. I can't believe Kawaguuchi didn't make it because he had Uryo in his pool, but every pool was like that D:. His play was so good too. Same with YHC-Mochi and Taku.
Professor Beef
Banned
poor her
champ was getting it before with just mag.
Karsticles
Member
Shhh, you play two of the best characters in the game.
Magneto is a special case, because he builds a ton of meter in his combos due to all the Hyper Gravs and j.Hs that are in them. Only a handful of characters can pull that off.
Shhh, you play two of the best characters in the game.
Magneto is a special case, because he builds a ton of meter in his combos due to all the Hyper Gravs and j.Hs that are in them. Only a handful of characters can pull that off.
arent you going to be a lawyer. you can't use "special case". the fact that mag can do it, (so can doom) makes dark phoenix ...unfair.
Professor Beef
Banned
Shhh, you play two of the best characters in the game.
Frank and who?
SloaneRisette
Member
If Dark Phoenix dies with five meters she should become Super Dark Phoenix.
Or Shin Dark Phoenix.
Think about it you guys.
Or Shin Dark Phoenix.
Think about it you guys.
I'm not up on my theory fighting like you guys, but this still seems a bit off. People still seem pretty successful in pulling off their game plans, which is all it takes--sticking to the game plan. TAC combos and Dark Harmonizer are in the game, so I'm not sure how a theoretical situation in which they're not contributes to your argument. Everyone has to commit to some weakness in choosing a team. Hers require big risks, but people pull them off regularly, even at the highest level of play.
A little bit less red on the screen is not some huge nerf, it gives you one chance to see the opening attacks. She can still do everything else. and not being able to see actually hurts the person using her as well, which seems to be a contributing factor to people just slamming buttons for the dumbest of all rushdowns in fighting game history when they get her.
That's the whole point of the character. In Dark Phoenix mode she is supposed to be uber powerful but getting to her is the problem. Her X factor boost in regular Phoenix aren't even that great, its really only her infinite in XF3 that even makes regular Phoenix in XF a threat. No one would play Dark Phoenix if she had regular Phoenix X factor boosts.
Right now a few major problems are related to the character which make her a very volatile pick:
*TAC infinites make her much more viable than she should be. If someone can get 5 meters in one combo... than that is a fucking problem.
*Dark Harmonizer also allows her to come out without ever having to land a single attack on the opponent. The down side to this is that you are essentially playing without any assist and of course you can't use meter although with this assist you can afford to waste a bar here and there for superiority in the neutral or to kill off someone.
Now the problems with her that work against her:
*TAC glitching allows a character a second change to "dupe" out Phoenix into a meter steal TAC which essentially kills her. Few characters can do this like Zero which means that even if you get 5 bars, Dark Phoenix may not come out.
*The Japanese TAC tech. This requires XF but this is yet another way to prevent Dark Phoenix from coming out.
*Numerous character specific anti-Phoenix set ups. A lot of characters have them but they aren't easy to do and they can be botched up. As Phoenix has such low health it is difficult to manage the combo and positioning in such a way that she is in a position to get hit by the anti tech. Still this is a problem that works against her.
*Vergil and Strider are more practical anchors than her. Strider provides a top tier assist while Vergil provides Spiral Sword DHC. Both are great anchors and can counter Phoenix if they are set up first. If Dark Phoenix is set up first she can run through them too but you are more likely to see a Dark Vergil/Strider than a Dark Phoenix in today's meta game. The only thing Phoenix has over these characters is that with 5 bars she has 2 lives versus their ones and that is the logic that allows FChamp to keep playing her. His play with regular Phoenix is exceptional and when set up it's like playing against 4 characters on a team.
This is why TACs need to be fixed... they completely botch up the character among other things. As hard as it is to believe.... unlike from Vanilla in Ultimate if you are playing Phoenix then you are working too hard.
Karsticles
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Do you know what I would love? A gif of Valentine (Skullgirls) using her throw (gas mask) on someone with the subtitle: "Shhh, it's time to stop posting."
Does anyone here have the talent to make that happen for me? :-D
Does anyone here have the talent to make that happen for me? :-D
She's well balanced without the cheese responses to her. You don't see Phoenix anywhere in the top plays right now outside of FChamp, and that's only because he's amazing with Magneto and Doom.
Viewtiful Joe, of course.
What a balanced perspective.
Read Dahbomb's post. I'm so glad he typed all that out, because I'm tired of explaining it. He doesn't even cover all of her problems, but it's a good start.
Karsticles
Member
Dieminion basically breaks top 8 just with Viewtiful Joe on an unoptimized team. People just don't play him because he doesn't have a trench coat or cape.
Or people are just bad at playing against Joe. Good players always beat Dieminion, he is not going to win anything when top players are present. B/C tier players with B/C tier teams get wrecked by Dieminion and rightfully so.
And Joe does have a cape.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Joe has a scarf. Get it right
SloaneRisette
Member
I was gonna fall into the same trap that Dahbomb did until I Googled Viewtiful Joe.
A theory fighter that didn't do his research come on Dahbomb.
Ok, phoenix is perfectly balanced because things that could theoretically happen, got it
Also FChamp succeeds with Phoenix because he is the BEST player with all 3 of his characters (4 if you include his Phoenix teams that have Dorm on it too). A rare breed of talent that allows him to play a Phoenix team. If any one of his characters was less than the best especially his Phoenix, then he would get beat a lot earlier in tournaments. His impeccable defense and game knowledge is what allows him to make Phoenix even viable. Most of the time he gets wins over players who are unaware of techs and strategies against Phoenix... mostly because people have forgotten anti-Phoenix strategies or stopped practicing anti-Phoenix tech.
We need a Viewtiful Joe canon expert to settle this.
Still looks like a cape to me. I don't see the scarf wrapped around his neck. I mean it's small for a cape for sure but it's kinda big for a scarf.
We need a Viewtiful Joe canon expert to settle this.
What does this even mean?
Karsticles
Member
Do you even play Marvel? Have you played a Phoenix team against a competent player in the current metagame? Anything?
Goddamn this.
It's a scarf.
Besides this tournament,and europe,and civil war. when was the last time he broke top 8?
v. joe is great with die because hes super lame. kosurus v. joe is great though.
Just looked at some information on Joe. There's a quote in Viewtiful Joe "Who's the manliest man to ever wear a pink cape?" which confirms it's a pink cape.
He actually won the Canada tournament that just happened. Yea I know "hurr durr Canada tournament" but he played well and Yipes/KBrad where there too.
Just looked at some information on Joe. There's a quote in Viewtiful Joe "Who's the manliest man to ever wear a pink cape?" which confirms it's a pink cape.
I've beaten VJ about two dozen times but I don't recall that quote.
Now if you're talking about VJ2, which is an extremely shitty sequel, that could be possible as I could only stomach one playthrough a while ago.