Madnesslink5
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^ I felt the same way when I listened to their breakdown of the trailer, they said some really silly stuff that (kind of) irritated me, may be me being pedantic also though 
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Monolith Soft's Wii U game "X" coming 2014 [E3 Trailer]
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I will agree that Xenoblade was cliché to a certain degree, but that's where the parallel in our views ends. Neither its characters, plot, or ending were terrible, and while certainly cliché, they were well-written and executed cliché (for the most part, anyway), so I wouldn't mind them going that route again.
"Cliché," when in earnest, and "well written" are mutually exclusive.
Great writers do not lean on clichés. They use them for irony, for parody, for comedic effect.
Xenoblade Chronicles was a game with no irony or parody, built on clichés because the writers seemingly could not create anything better.
You went from "terrible" to talking about great writers. You know there's an in between, right? There are lots of stories that are cliched, but are competent and enjoyable.
I'd put Xenoblade's somewhere in the mediocre pile. Not all that good, but not terrible either.
No they're not. A plot can be cliché, characters can be cliché and at the same time the dialogue could be well-written.
Looks like two huge ass mechs to me. A crab like thing in the front and a tall one standing behind it.Two things:
1) There's positively nothing biological about this thing- it's entirely mechanical.
2) As big or bigger than the lava monster thing? It should be apparent to anyone with working eyesight that this thing's larger by magnitudes.
I dunno, am I being pedantic here?
They also missed the fact that "Inferno" is the mech.
IceDoesntHelp
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I disagree with this. "Cliché" and "well-written" are definitely not mutually exclusive, but should be avoided unless they can be delivered in a satisfying quality, and I find that Xenoblade accomplishes this. And I don't agree with the notion that the narrative was built on clichés on the basis of the lack of skill on the writer's part, rather, I'd say he aimed to polish tried and true, but effective tropes, and does so very skillfully.
Looks like a single mech to me, with a crab-like lower-body and humanoid upper-body.
C'mon now; there's no need for this.
ArchedThunder
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IceDoesntHelp
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Sorry. Just the first thing to come to mind. So I fixed it.
They said they wanted to create a "Shonen" story for Xenoblade. It was going to be cliche to an extent. We'll see how X's turns out, but Xenoblade's story is far, FAR from terrible.
Has the term "shonen" take on a modern definition that I'm not aware of? To my knowledge, it defines an age and gender demographic, where anime and manga are concerned, and not a genre.
Shōnen: male, teenage (somewhere around the age twelve ~ thirteen) and over
Seinen: male, mature (seventeen ~ eighteen) and over
Shōjo: female counterpart of shōnen
Josei: female counterpart of seinen
Kodomomuke: the, er, "Sesame Street" crowd
The commonalities found between the likes of Dragon Ball, Flame of Recca, Naruto, Bleach, and so forth are simply trends in the shonen demographic. You have, say, Death Note and Bloody Monday that have nothing in common with the above manga, but are still shonen manga. Clichés are also not inherent to said demographic; you can have seinen manga like Oh! My Goddess that are very cliché.
Has Takahashi explicitly stated that he was aiming to emulate those kinds of manga? If so, I'm not sure he did a very good job. That, or I need to brush on my Japanese comic book and animation terminology.
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Going back to GameXplain's analysis, I missed this, but this part is a little odd:
GameXplain said:
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but "アイテム入手" translates to "Item Obtained/Acquired". So they got that bit right. But "アミドレシア葉" says Amidoreshia I'm going to venture a guess and say that it's the name of that particular area) Leaf, does it not (which sounds like it'd be a collectible)? They seem to have fallen in to the same trap that IGN did...
Might look like that at first, but doesn't make sense looking at this in motion. The humanoid mech doesn't move with the crab like mech, and seems to stand several hundred meters behind it:
I agree that Xenoblade's story was pretty damn horrible and cliche. I mean, you can't get any more cliche than
. It pretty much went down the drain once you leave Fallen Arm.
Great setting, great atmosphere, great music, horrible writing. It's really my only major problem with it... other than Alcamoth being a barren chore to get around... and Mechonis not living up to its similar sized kin.
Hopefully X can keep up its momentum.
a god battle in space
Great setting, great atmosphere, great music, horrible writing. It's really my only major problem with it... other than Alcamoth being a barren chore to get around... and Mechonis not living up to its similar sized kin.
Hopefully X can keep up its momentum.
The Return of
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Yeah.....you might just want to rethink about what you are saying honestly. I could understand if you thought Xenoblade is cliche and bad, but yeah, this right here is pretty much wrong, unless that's the way you prefer cliches to be used.
Spieler Eins
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Agreed. XB had some good locales to explore but I had to cringe many times whenever some cutscenes came up. The story was cheesy as fuck, predictable and I certainly wasn't invested in any of the characters.
Lumpy Onion
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lol couldn't disagree more. Xenoblade had the most enjoyable story I have seen in a game in years. Loved the mysteries and the revelations. Also, I didn't see a lot of cliches during the final acts either. Seemed pretty fresh and original. Maybe some aspects reminded me of sci- fi I have seen over the years, but I can't see that as a bad thing. I swear, so many people on the net are hunting for cliches and tropes to the point where they can't even enjoy fun stories anymore. Not saying you don't have the right to hate it though, but for me it was one of the freshest JRPG stories in years. I didn't find it to be predictable either. When
the big Dickson betrayal happened I didn't see it coming at all....I knew he was up to something, but I never imagined it was something bad
Maybe I am being ignorant of tropes and cliches and just go along with the ride to have fun. I do the same with most things I watch and play too.
I feel the same way. Maybe I am not familiarized with manga/anime tropes enough to see how the plot was so predictable. Most of the people that played this game are into manga/anime more than I am and nearlly all of them told me it was quite cliche heavy.
So maybe we are seeing merits were there are not, but man, ignorance is a bliss.
Cliché isn't always a negative thing. It does need to be earned though, when people complain about it it's usually because the cliché hasn't been earned.
Might look like that at first, but doesn't make sense looking at this in motion. The humanoid mech doesn't move with the crab like mech, and seems to stand several hundred meters behind it:
For a few brief moments, we can see what's underneath and behind the crab mech, and there are no signs of feet for the humanoid portion. I imagine the reason why it might look like it's behind the crab mech is that its torso seems seems to be placed at the rear end of the crab mech's body.
That could be misleading, and the humanoid mech might stand on higher ground. It doesn't seem to move with the crab mech either way, which makes it rather unlikely the two are connected. And no matter what, if you look at the scene in motion, the humanoid mech seems to several hundred meters further in the distance. Which also means it should be several hundred meters tall, or the size of a large skyscraper - but that's an entirely different issue.
Might look like that at first, but doesn't make sense looking at this in motion. The humanoid mech doesn't move with the crab like mech, and seems to stand several hundred meters behind it:
Question about that gif, is it CG?
It looks like some kind of bird/dragon/flying mech to me
it's a cut-seen, that's for sure. probably in-engine, not cg.
It still amazes me how MASSIVE the mechanoid dragon and crab are at the end of the trailer. Compare the height of the protagonist to the Doll and then compare the size of the Doll in the clip at the end to both the mechanoid dragon and crab when it's closest. That should be able to give you a rough idea to how small the pilot is in comparative.
Unreal, seriously.
Unreal, seriously.
bobbychalkers
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None of the trailers had any CG that I recall.
No CG; it's become a Monolith Soft trademark since being under Nintendo it seems; a good decision, I say.
If true then wow, the scale of that alone is incredible.
I fully expect Nintendo of America to do the same bullshit again and deny us this game, leaving us waiting 3 years for XSEED to do their job for them.
Or worse yet, no localization at all.
Yeah I know this is grim, but Nintendo's track record last gen for more serious 1st party games outside Japan has been pretty shit.
Or worse yet, no localization at all.
Yeah I know this is grim, but Nintendo's track record last gen for more serious 1st party games outside Japan has been pretty shit.
I actually expect the opposite from NoA this time. I see them actually pushing this game (they need all the games they can get anyway).
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Nintendo already announced this and smt X fe being localized and coming to NA. Get from under that rock
bobbychalkers
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I don't think that will happen again. Xenoblade did well out here and its already been confirmed to come over. NoA can't afford to keep games from coming over anyways, Wii U needs all it can get.
In all fairness, Xenoblade was just as announced as X is.
It's so obviously coming to North America and Europe. It was shown in all three of the E3 NDs. Also, ShockingAlberto mentioned that X is being localised simultaneously alongside its development so I'd like to expect a world-wide release.
chaosblade
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Well, ShockingAlberto said that at E3 someone let it slip that NoE was working on the localization alongside the game's development. So that's a good sign.
We've also seen the game twice worldwide, and Xenoblade sold through it's shipment (however small) without needing a price drop. NoA can't possibly be disappointed in a full sell-through.
Kind of, sort of. I don't think NoA ever really acknowledged Xenoblade. It was in their E3 press material but they never even mentioned it. And then it fell off the face of the earth aside from appearing in their release schedule as Monado (even after it got retitled), until it was finally pulled from there too.
I guess apart from the NDs NoA hasn't acknowledged X either though.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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No it wasnt
No it wasn't. X has actually been talked about in Nintendo Directs. Xenoblade's premiere trailer was hidden away on Nintendo's E3 press sever. It's completely different.
They've shown it during two North American Nintendo Directs and confirmed it for a 2013 release and it even has it's own page on their e3 site.
http://e3.nintendo.com/games/detail/new-title-by-monolith-software/
Plus they really need the games. Even of they do try this crap again it'll be a lot harder to get away with it this time.
Edit: Dammit I meant 2014. Man, I need to get some sleep
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yeah I know. The thing I also wanted to say is that NoA will actually try to market this game this time rather than toss it as a GameStop exclusive and keep the number of copies low. Hopefully.
Gamer @ Heart
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He could be thinking of the games Monado days after E3 09 i think. Then not a peep about it after it became Xeno
Mockingbird
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X's YouTube Views Are Some Of The highest On Nintendos Channel. Nintendo knows People Want This.
I remember reading that Iwata said that FExSMT and X will come out in all regions.
Smiles and Cries
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this game will cost me 500 hours of my life
Yeah, the GameStop exclusive crap really sucked. It feels good to know, based on how things are playing out, that X will get a much, much bigger push than 'blade. This game means business; it's a very important title and I think Nintendo knows it.
I really can't wait to get a glimpse of the first TV ads of X.
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