w1gglyjones
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Wii U 32GB Play Immeadiately Family Bundle for Japan on Oct 31 (Wii Party U + NSMBU)
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ArcaneFreeze
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So because WiiSports Club, WiiFitU, and Wii Party U are announced you think that they'll stop going for that "compelling software" despite the fact that they're doing quite the contrary? Smash Bros, Zelda U, 3D World, DK:TF, SMT x FE, X, Yarn Yoshi, MK 8 are all first party Nintendo titles coming within the next year. Thats 3 Wii titled games vs 8 high class titles.
I'm going to assume you haven't played the game. What makes you think they are tech demos? Each game has various modes of play, multiple levels, secret unlockables, scaling difficult for multiplayer, local leaderboards-
Is this your idea of a tech demo? What exactly could Nintendoland add to order to not be in 'tech demo' territory?
The Abominable Snowman
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Crazy Deal
Why announce it so early, though? Everyone who wanted a Wii U is going to wait til the end of NEXT month to buy one now.
All eggs in the basket for November.
Why announce it so early, though? Everyone who wanted a Wii U is going to wait til the end of NEXT month to buy one now.
All eggs in the basket for November.
StreetsAhead
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In your opinion, sure, but for the mass audience, which needs to be on-board to be a success, they can form a solid incentive to purchasing.
I feel it should also be noted that beyond this year, Nintendo doesn't have any original Wii line games announced and the only ones that are 'missing' are Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Sports, iirc.
Those 'traditional' demographics will still be served by the majority of the line-up into next year. There's a 3D Mario platformer (I am well aware of your opinion on it), Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Fire Emblem, Smash, Mario Kart, X, and even Bayonetta for a little spice. Even if Wii Sports Club goes retail and we get Wii Music 2.
You need a mass audience in order to considered a success and they have had success attracting a mass audience with these 'Wii' titles in the past. A console that appeals to the Nintendo hardcore almost exclusively is a Gamecube.
nobody was buying Wii Us right now anyway lol
doesn't matter. And it's not like there are any releases between now and Oct 31 to possibly pick sales up before then.
w1gglyjones
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bayonetta 2 canceled!
I dont know what that means, but Nintendo will tell you thats exactly what the game is.
Hell, Find Mii anyone?
Its incredibly intelligent. You have guys sitting in a room trying to figure out what types of game play can be done on the new WiiU. You take what you get and save costs buy selling it as a brand new videya game.
I love Nintendo Land but I havent bothered to play it since the launch month. I will some day again. Its got some cool stuff.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
There were leaks about a NSMBU + NSLU bundle, that's probably it for North America.
Build hype before people already decide on the other systems I guess? Now people can buy a new system, or a new system with GAMES.
Wii Chess should totally make a triumphant return, or maybe some sort of board/card game collection (nah, I'll just stick to X).
shinra-bansho
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Probably the same reason the price drop in Western markets was already announced, it will probably have negligible impact in the interim; sales are already like 4-5K a week, dropping to 3K for a few weeks isn't going to matter, if they sell 20K or whatever the week of the bundle release.
w1gglyjones
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StreetsAhead
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I guess it would be hard pressed to ask more than that plus the Zelda deal.
I wonder why they would target western with games, and japan with more casual.
In Japan? Not likely.
Comgnet has like no preorders for The Legend of Zeld The Wind Waker HD.
StreetsAhead
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8GB: 26,250
32GB Wii U: 31,500
Bundle 1 (No Wii Fit): 32,800
Bundle 2 (Wii Fit): 34,800
Hence, the 'I see'.
However, Comgnet is a chain of 16 stores in one Prefecture. It's not particularly indicative of anything.
What?
Freezie KO
Banned
Basically, I see a worrying trend of Nintendo putting resources on Wii Fit, Wii Sports Club, Wii Party, Game and Wario, Wii Street, Wii Karaoke, while relegating the core development to remakes like WindWaker or direct sequels with reused assets, mechanics, design (NSMBU, DKC:TF, SM3DW). It's doubling down on the original Wii audience I don't think will pay off, while they slip further into irrelevance with the demos that actually spend their disposable income on, well, videogames.
You listed games that you claim are "coming within the next year", but that's entirely disputable. I would peg Zelda U for 2015. Smash will be next year, but within this year? Probably not. I'd say it'll be a holiday 2014 title, so that puts it out of the next 12 months.
Who knows what's going on with FExSMT? And I wouldn't be surprised to see X miss the next 12 months also.
So that leaves us with a lot of games that look and feel similar to past games. I sure wouldn't have the same malaise if Nintendo put those Wii ____ teams on something more appealing.
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StreetsAhead said:
Well, first off, yes, what makes a compelling game is my opinion. But beyond my opinion, I think this plays to the blinkered strategy of the Wii U that has thus far proven to be a disaster.
As you said, Nintendo doesn't have any other Wii titles announced. So let's say they don't release a flood of those games in the future. Then just like the Wii, the expanded audience will just closet the console. Like any consumer of video games, they'd need a consistent stream of titles that interest them. And because this isn't the first time with Wii Sports, Fit, etc., it's safe to say that audience isn't going to reach Wii levels of profitability.
Meanwhile, Nintendo's investment in building an install base was focused on the audience that was destined to leave them, and they didn't build the foundation for the demographics that would've made for a fruitful traditional gaming console. It's this idea that Nintendo can be all things to all people that has seriously harmed the Wii U thus far.
Well, at this point, their sales numbers would indicate they'd be lucky to have a Gamecube.
I'm well aware of the lists, but you're listing 8 games, and some of them are going to end up releasing in holiday 2014, which is over a year from now. If that's the line-up they want to raise themselves up to Gamecube sales, even that is worrisome.
First time Ive heard of that idea. I like the idea but i would do it a bit different.
Instead make it the vitual console bundle and give them 50 credit for VC games only.
If you give them games, they could be one people already have on Wii etc/dont want.
The credit doesnt cost Nintendo much, bc they already money on those oldies a million times over already.
Yeah I'll only jump in when it's $100 cheaper and includes 5 games, god Nintendo what's wrong with you?
Maneauleau
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what is a wii party u stand? typo?
creamsugar
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Finally we can see 5 digits weekly again.
Ivan el Trolazo
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the wii brand is good for local multiplayer, nintendo should try to become the best local multiplayer HD experience and wii branded games are a good idea, wii is a part of the CRT TV past at this point, if they again show the wiisport games "now with motionplus and HD" people will again feel the experience at the retail, and maybe will again buy the U if the control of the games is great, because motion control quality is important for casuals, some people disliked wii sports (motionminus) because of waggle issues...maybe next year wii U will be even more cheaper, they can always recover money with the accesories which are never considered in the equations...can nintendo recover the casual crowd? where is the social people that want to buy a console to play with friends and family? to make other people happy besides themselves?
(they dont exist?)
StreetsAhead
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My point is that an enthusiast traditional Nintendo market is not going to support the console and bring it to profitability on its own.
Maybe they're hoping some titles will be bridges? Maybe they have unannounced Wii-line games for the general market. The system doesn't have to be another Wii to be a success.
Where are you getting that this was and is their focus? Nintendo, specifically Iwata, has stated that he wants to expand the market for consoles by reaching non-traditional gamers, yes, but their software announcements are not exclusively reflective of that. You'd be hard pressed to argue that the announced line-up is any more focused on casual consumers than hardcore ones.
Evidently, they haven't announced every title they'll be releasing in the next 15 months (I've no idea why you're only focusing on the next 12 when I said next year).
No, it's a piece of plastic that holds the Wii U flat for use in some of the party games.
dk, mario, kart, smash, x, bayo 2, etc...they still have more huge bullets left after this bundle
I dont mean the game is tech demos. Sorry.
I mean they took tech demos, souped them up and coated them in Nintendo IP.
I have played the game. A LOT. Besides, Im basically only repeating what Nintendo them selves has said. It doesnt take a genius for someone to see that Nintendo said, hey lets make money by selling out research as a game to help cut costs!
IrishNinja
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damn, that's a bundle right there. i'd hold out for the GBA link cable though, honestly...you know it'll be there on the revision
Freezie KO
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I'm sure they are hoping some titles will be bridges, but how reliable are the new consumers? Ostensibly some of them bridged over to NSMBWii, and NSMBU hasn't been doing the heavy lifting Nintendo must have expected of it.
I'm saying that their focus is both, and that's proving to be a problem.
They have the low power console with a weird local multiplayer hook (mostly for Nintendo Land), yet it was priced much higher than the Wii and the standard controller was still dual analog.
The whole idea was that it was Wii + U/you (meaning the fans of Batman: Not the Same Content Edition that felt left out). That's the pitch they gave at E3 certainly, but it's created an untargeted console.
In trying to chase everything that each target market likes, it's left them literally just recreating title after title, and their software as a whole has felt safe and creatively undercooked. And it's not just me who says that about the line-up; everyone from Totilo to Edge took that away as the message from E3.
So to bring it back to these bundles, we see them doubling down on this strategy of trying to build their foundation off the backs of an audience that demonstrably does not spend as much money on video games as the "Gamecube" audience.
Even if they boost up their install base with the Wii Party/Fit/Karaoke bundles, it's possible that very few buy the games like DKC or 3D Land or Fire Emblem or X or Bayonetta or even older games like Pikmin. And assuredly, like the Wii, they won't be buying third party software. Nintendo needs an actual targeted strategy, and I'm suggesting it should be the people that actually buy games.
By contrast, PS3 looked to be a disaster in the beginning, but they targeted a market that spends money on games, invested in creative new experiences and properties, and built goodwill and a strong foundation to move into the next gen.
That's my bad. The poster I replied to above said "within" the next year, so I was still in that mindset. Nonetheless, I don't think listing 8 titles that span 15 months is some great credit to the platform.
Well I'm guessing they assume that the gamer looking to buy a Wii U for WW is probably not that interested in Wii Party And Wii Fit U.
It seems to me all of Nintendo's advertisement budget for Wii U will start in October after Pokemon.
Maneauleau
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Weird and interesting at the same time, thanks OP!
metalslimer
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Interesting bundle, of course its predicated on people being interested in the Wii __ games. This is the kind of desperation they need though
Meesh
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Lol that's what I was thinking.
And it's not even the holiday season yet, who knows what they'll throw together for NA.
Damn rights.
metalslimer
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Should have packed in W101 =(
There, 5 digits.
Well, guess the second bundle explains why there's no physical release for Wii Fit U before February in Japan. It makes sense after all : doubtful the current Wii U owners are that interested in Wii Fit U (enough to hate having to wait till 2014 to get the game, at least). The bundly is clearly aimed at Wii owners who haven't upgraded to Wii U yet, and still have the original game + Wii Balance Board.
The bundle has great value, since you get 3 family friendly games + 1 Wii Mote Plus + accessories... 153$ saved is nothing to sneeze at. If Nintendo markets the sh*t out of this during the Holiday season, they could end up selling lots of consoles. The 2nd bundle seems more aimed at "casual", while the 1st one is more "ambiguous" : it could be a nice choice for "regular" gamer who would be interested in the Wii U, and can get 2 games + accessories for real cheap.
Guess we'll have to wait and see how well these bundle sell in a few weeks...
Fake edit :
Er....
1) all games put together probably won't even take 10GB on the HDD
2) they're already pre-installed, so that means they DO fit on the HDD (it's a Deluxe Model, which is also available in White in Japan). They're not forcing anyone to buy anything (except for the Wii Balance Board, that the people interested by the 2nd bundle probably already have from Wii Fit (+).
Real edit :
By old and new Mario, you mean NMSBU vs SM3DW, right? In that case, you're wrong here, because 2D Mario games have always been more popular in Japan. Even 3D Land couldn't do better than NSMB2 in Japan. And it probably won't have any affect sales... it might actually even help (very slightly) 3D World by having more consoles sold.
The bundle has great value, since you get 3 family friendly games + 1 Wii Mote Plus + accessories... 153$ saved is nothing to sneeze at. If Nintendo markets the sh*t out of this during the Holiday season, they could end up selling lots of consoles. The 2nd bundle seems more aimed at "casual", while the 1st one is more "ambiguous" : it could be a nice choice for "regular" gamer who would be interested in the Wii U, and can get 2 games + accessories for real cheap.
Guess we'll have to wait and see how well these bundle sell in a few weeks...
Fake edit :
Er....
1) all games put together probably won't even take 10GB on the HDD
2) they're already pre-installed, so that means they DO fit on the HDD (it's a Deluxe Model, which is also available in White in Japan). They're not forcing anyone to buy anything (except for the Wii Balance Board, that the people interested by the 2nd bundle probably already have from Wii Fit (+).
Real edit :
By old and new Mario, you mean NMSBU vs SM3DW, right? In that case, you're wrong here, because 2D Mario games have always been more popular in Japan. Even 3D Land couldn't do better than NSMB2 in Japan. And it probably won't have any affect sales... it might actually even help (very slightly) 3D World by having more consoles sold.
I don't think a bundled 2D Mario will eat into the sales of a new 3D Mario title. If anything, it will probably boost interest. And the games come pre-loaded on the hard drive, so how can it be too small to fit them all? From what I recall Mario was only like 4GB, and I can't imagine Wii Party or Wii Fit being much more. Beyond that you can just buy physical disk releases, so I don't see how you are "forced" to buy an external HDD.
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