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Ryse crunching team served 11,500 dinners by ship date #rysefacts

ThaGuy

Member
The more I see how People act over twitter, the more I pat myself for staying away from it.

And if they didn't know, coming out with a launch title can make or break a team. You never no what the final console product is going to be thus you are steady changing development plans.
 

Albo

Member
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900p's on the plate
 

HoodWinked

Member
this is only an issue because the game is Ryse and has such bad connotation from E3 that non issues like this end up lighting a 'Fuse'

get it
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Hey can these super armchair activist game journalists go protest outside of Wal-Mart and other retailers due to Christmas time crunch culture? I mean, staying later than intended, working rough hours, that sounded like my time at Target during Christmas. And they didn't even buy me no god damn dinners.
 
Doing so much overtime is not even legal in Germany as far as I know. Not sure if this is actually being developed in the Frankfurt studio though. Pretty disgusting to tweet this and well deserved backfire. Just because something is normal in this industry it doesn't become right.
 

netBuff

Member
Hey can these super armchair activist game journalists go protest outside of Wal-Mart and other retailers due to Christmas time crunch culture? I mean, staying later than intended, working rough hours, that sounded like my time at Target during Christmas. And they didn't even buy me no god damn dinners.

Why would game journalists comment on Wal Mart's employment situation? They are covering the gaming industry, after all.
 
Why are you being so disrespectful to their work?

THESE GUYS ARE CRUNCHING RIGHT NOW11!

They can't see their families. They have to drink coffee instead of beer.

Why are you using their tough lives as a platform to both push your negativity agenda AND belittle their work?

Is there not something else you could be doing? Your comment is despicable and shows no respect for what this time means for them.

The difference is, I'm not paid by the company I work at to marginalize the work of my co-workers. I can feel free to shit all over them. But when someone at your own company pulls down a paycheck and does a stunt like this? Well, they can go fuck right off.
 

Ravidrath

Member
For a game like this, this crunch probably isn't that bad. Hard to know exactly how bad without knowing how many people are working on the game, though.

The tone of the tweet is, though. I don't think it's in good taste in general, and I think it would rub anyone that's actually crunched the wrong way. I think it minimizes the efforts of the team, and I can't imagine they're happy to have their hard word boiled down into a little "fun fact" to help promote (?) the game.


And to anyone saying "they get dinner" - the only reason they give you dinner is because they need you to stay. Most studios just cater large troughs of food to save money, so it's not like you're getting something you actually want to eat most of the time.

Even with personalized orders, a meal is a hell of a lot cheaper than actually paying you what your 4-8 hours of additional work is actually worth. You might get $5-10 worth of food in exchange for hundreds of dollars' worth of additional work, per night.
 

ShapeGSX

Member
There's crunch time in the hardware industry, too.

Basically, there's crunch time for any product that needs to be delivered on a schedule.
 
haha wow, even Xbox One tweets blow up in wild controversy.

I'm just glad my "surge" efforts last like a week or two and require only slightly more than my usual 40 when it happens
 
As a developer (not in games), yeah, crunch happens and it can fucking suck. Good project management and managers mitigate crunch, or schedule it to allow downtime breaks to keep workers from burning out. Unfortunately, that rarely happens, particularly in the games industry, so the blowback is totally valid. It's not something you want to seem to be endorsing. It's great they provided dinner, but honestly, that should be a fucking minimum if you keep people from going home and having dinner with family.
 

Rubius

Member
This is a really bizarre statement: Unions have fought for better job conditions in many industries, saying "get another job" isn't a reasonable defence for bad treatment of the employees by the employer.

I'm saying that some jobs have crunching. Unions fought so that we have better work conditions, salaries and bonuses. You cannot have any big company without crunching because it's not a realistic idea. Accountants do crunching because they got new reports or they have to rush. Game Devs have a date limit to fill in.
I wont go work in a mine because I dont like physical work. Do not mean I go and complain that people are hurting them self. It's really a choice and it's laid out when you sign your contract. If you do not want crunching then dont go in this work setting. Some works NEED crunching. Now it's a question of wether it's good crunching or bad crunching. Do they simply order Pizza every night, or do they get varied meal? Do they get overtime paid? This kind of stuff.
 

Acccent

Member
I can't believe this. I never thought I'd see this reaction here on Gaf, I thought you guys would have known better.

How - How can anyone see this and conclude that the problem lies in the responses? I mean - sure, maybe you don't care about it, or you're resigned about the fact that crunches need to happen (in which case you'd be wrong, but whatever)... but surely you understand that the initial tweet and the concept it rests upon are the issue here? And that people who are getting angry over it have a reason to do so?


In a larger sense, when something happens on twitter and people don't like it, it's bound to seem like an outrage even if people are just expressing a slight annoyance, because everyone is doing so at the same time and twitter's format favors wit over nuance. No one is saying that this is the worst thing ever or that it only happens in the videogame industry or that employees should retire or whatever - people are just seeing this utterly oblivious and disrespectful tweet and are pointing out that, hey, it is actually kinda oblivious and disrespectful, and maybe this is not what needs to be done with regards to the issue of crunch hours in game development.

What other reaction can anyone have?!


I'm sick of seeing every single sociological issue being dismissed as yet another 'twitter outrage' when it comes to games. 'Why so serious' you ask? Because we're talking about people, ffs; the question that needs asking is, why can't anything be taken seriously! It's not because the discussion is related in some way to *games* that we should brush off anything that isn't instantly happy-fun! The least one can do is step out of their own self-interest bubble for a second and realize that the audience's carefree enjoyment isn't the only thing that needs talking about in a game or the games industry.


/rant, I'm outta here.
 

JoeBoy101

Member
As a developer (not in games), yeah, crunch happens and it can fucking suck. Good project management and managers mitigate crunch, or schedule it to allow downtime breaks to keep workers from burning out. Unfortunately, that rarely happens, particularly in the games industry, so the blowback is totally valid. It's not something you want to seem to be endorsing. It's great they provided dinner, but honestly, that should be a fucking minimum if you keep people from going home and having dinner with family.

This.

I find it funny how some of more liberal policy minded posters I see on here turn into the guy yelling 'SUCK IT UP AND STOP BEING A PUSSY' when a game developer puts its worker exploitation on proud display.

Trying to justify what y'all went through, or just never been in the workforce?
 

lord pie

Member
I'm saying that some jobs have crunching. Unions fought so that we have better work conditions, salaries and bonuses. You cannot have any big company without crunching because it's not a realistic idea. Accountants do crunching because they got new reports or they have to rush. Game Devs have a date limit to fill in..

There is no question that crunching is a natural part of the development cycle, but you have to admit that bragging about the equivalent of 50 people crunching non-stop for an entire year is legitimate cause for concern. It's a very cavalier attitude to what sounds like a serious problem within the studio.
 

Skeff

Member
Sounds harsh, but it's the job, working as a games programmer has peaks and troughs, a couple of weeks before going to gold is the worst time.

Good luck to all the guys at Crytek and hope they get through it fine.
 
I'm not sure I understand why some people are upset at this, are they assuming that people aren't being paid for their overtime work?
 

Naminator

Banned
Can anyone point out a single development studio that is on the record for not having any crunch time?

I'm actually curious if there are any.
 
There's crunch time in the hardware industry, too.

Basically, there's crunch time for any product that needs to be delivered on a schedule.

This.

Construction industry too.

Maybe I'm weird, but if the boss tells me I can earn 1.5-2x my hourly pay during OT, I'm doing the OT...(yes, there are people who actually don't mind doing extra hours).

If I was doing it for free and my BOSS sitting on his ass eating cake is tweeting how many times OT workers flush the toilet or some crap, well okay screw that guy.

If these guys are working for free and the head honcho in charge of getting all this free labour is tweeting fun facts about the statistics/logistics of unpaid workers then sure. I'd say that's some bullshit.


So, are these Crytek guys working for free and is the guy who tweeted at fault for making them crunch in the first place?
 

Nokterian

Member
Ever heard of the crunch at Kaos Studios when THQ was a life at that time? Well yeah fuck that noise reading what horrible situation that was even at Rockstar and what not.
 

antitrop

Member
I can't believe this. I never thought I'd see this reaction here on Gaf, I thought you guys would have known better.
I don't really think an innocuous PR tweet about Ryse is the right context for a grand open discussion about systemic industry issues.

Maybe later, when there's like another EA Wives or something. This just feels like trying too hard.
 

JoeBoy101

Member
Valve's HL3 dev team

Winner.

Satchel said:
This.

Christ people need to get a life.

They could take one of the Ryse crunch timers ones since it doesn't look like their living their own.

Quadrophoinc said:
You won't find any industry professionals saying this was a smart tweet. The only people saying it's not a big deal and to 'suck it up' are the idiots that fund our jobs to begin with.

Though not in that industry, I've been subjected and am subjected to that kind of executive behavior (work them till they break, we can get more) that younger people fall prey to, so I sympathize tremendously.
 
This.

I find it funny how some of more liberal policy minded posters I see on here turn into the guy yelling 'SUCK IT UP AND STOP BEING A PUSSY' when a game developer puts its worker exploitation on proud display.

Trying to justify what y'all went through, or just never been in the workforce?

You won't find any industry professionals saying this was a smart tweet. The only people saying it's not a big deal and to 'suck it up' are the idiots that fund our jobs to begin with.
 

Steaks

Member
Most companies that cater dinner expect you to have worked about 10-11 hours that day (minimum!). Hope this information is useful towards your outrage!
 
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