And if the overtime is unpaid?
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Ryse crunching team served 11,500 dinners by ship date #rysefacts
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And if the overtime is unpaid?
Without Mountain Dew? Those poor crunchers would be soooo thirsty.
Crunch time can last a year? How many hours a day would someone work for a year on a project?
There are a lot of "what ifs" being thrown around from a single tweet.
But, if they were unpaid, yeah that's an issue. That's piss poor work practice.
Let's say there's 150 people working on this game. Let's be nice and say these people are working 10 hour days (the minimum for a catered dinner). That's about... 3 months of ~11 per 6 day weeks total. The extra hour is from commute.
That is the most forgiving scenario here. They could be working more hours, that's just based off dinners.
Sounds pretty rough IMO!
Yeah, my plea goes out to Crytek: Dew the right thing.
whatsinaname
Member
We provide all of our workers younger than 18 with Breakfast, Lunch and Supper 7 days a week! #TriangleShirtwaist #1910
If you need a crunch team that works nights for that long to deliver on a project, middle and upper management needs to be let go.
If you need a crunch team that works nights for that long to deliver on a project, middle and upper management needs to be let go.
CambriaRising
Member
Thats a lot of dinners. How big is that team?
Dead Prince
Banned
they wont know if someone could get sick or have a baby during that time.
Software devs don't get paid overtime. At least in the US. That's written into law.
I agree. I think it's innocuous and stupid, but not a good springboard for a serious conversation about industry working standards.
Quadraphonic
Member
They are going unpaid, hence paying for the pizza. Salary = no overtime pay.
KaiserBecks
Member
So...people are getting upset about hypothetical working conditions over a tweet that said how many dinners the team had? Ok.
By the way: Which team is working on Ryse? The guys in Frankfurt? As far as I know, the German Labor Law is fairly strict compared to others.
By the way: Which team is working on Ryse? The guys in Frankfurt? As far as I know, the German Labor Law is fairly strict compared to others.
The QA and QE teams are most likely getting overtime. Also, a lot of companies pull in contractors at the last minute.
Dictator93
Member
Just thought I would state that I think that runchtime is a bad thing. But expressing your distate in such a vehement and immmediate way over twitter is just stupid. Real social justice change is won in court houses, law houses, corporate governance meetings, etc... Emmancipation is not easy.
Our generation is breeding the idea that when you feel mad or sad about things and then post them on the internet with no backing action, and that things just change (or that you validate yourself through this expression). It makes me think nothing can ever change.
anexanhume
Member
Yeah, I guess we forgot about the "software developers don't get overtime pay" bill.
It all depends on company policy. Some people are salaried and still get OT.
Barkley's Justice
Member
WAY TO GO GAME INDUSTRY. SOUNDS REALLY SUSTAINABLE.
This: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112789-Crytek-Denies-Accusations-of-Employee-Abuse
Also the reason why a lot of people are probably mad
My father did overtime to do the accounting on his own lay off (They shipped all the accountant jobs to the USA). This situation is common at all desk jobs not simply the video game companies. There is a whole movie about how desk jobs and crunching suck.
My coding teacher actually told me " If you want to make money, dont go work for a video game company. People WANT to work for video games, while people dont want to work to make a accounting software. Software companies pay more than video games companies for that reason".
dongasaurus
Neo Member
Crunch being "acceptable" is a huge issue in the game industry. Unpaid crunch literally happens no where else in the tech industry. Companies abuse peoples love of games to meet unrealistic and poorly planned dead lines.
Microsoft and its devs have taken enough guff from the gaming community, its time they bark back.
Have all those self-entitled gaming-twats IP tracked, keep them from having a LIVE account. send them a letter with big words saying "we crunch hard, we dinner hard, deal with it"
in all seriousness, im glad i dont do twitter cause i would be wasting my time right now giving these people crap over a company that i hardly know. gotta learn to let things go......
and unpaid crunch hours...thats for the servants and their overlords to figure out. i mean what could gamers do to help the cause, seems like a can worms ready to burst when you bring unions into the scene.
Have all those self-entitled gaming-twats IP tracked, keep them from having a LIVE account. send them a letter with big words saying "we crunch hard, we dinner hard, deal with it"
in all seriousness, im glad i dont do twitter cause i would be wasting my time right now giving these people crap over a company that i hardly know. gotta learn to let things go......
and unpaid crunch hours...thats for the servants and their overlords to figure out. i mean what could gamers do to help the cause, seems like a can worms ready to burst when you bring unions into the scene.
This is great. Should be the official boxart
Crytek isn't based in the US. I don't know which team from Cry is doing Ryse though, so maybe the circumstances are difference.
Gotta hear it from an employee first.
That was two years ago. Has there been any other accusations? Otherwise, Yerli seems pretty passionate regarding Cry's workspace in the article provided.
Someone joked about HL3 dev team but literally Valve is studio that tries to completely errase crunch. It is in their "new to valve" handbook. Gabe also mentioned how crunch is simply bad management and should exist in first place.
qa_engineer
Member
Dead.
I can confirm that other publishers do the same thing during crunch. Not sure to what extent, but there are devs, artists, testers, working late shifts etc.
CambriaRising
Member
Which is it, if they don't like it- don't work there. Or if they don't like it- bring an action?
GrizzleBoy
Banned
But why all the hypotheticals?
I've got you here saying its 150 people and its been three months.
Another person saying its maybe 50 people and they've been crunching for a whole year.........
Who's to say all of those meals are to permanent employees?
It could be going to sub contracted employees on a rotary shift basis?
What if they've got 200? People? What if its five?
What if the OT pay is 4x salary pay?
Nobody knows anything.....
Really?
Wow......really?
Wow O_O
shadowsdarknes
Member
Still going to be Lair 2.0
Then stop buying almost all games then. Killzone SF, FM5, BF4, COD Ghosts, Dead Rising 3, etc are all in crunch mode right now to hit release. So do your part and don't support the industry.
A lot of the people upset at these comments are people who work in the industry, not console warriors or haters.
Assuming they dont want to get fired, im guessing they will support it.
Well Valve is kind of a dream job out there. They have 2000 calories cookies. It's the odd man out if you want.
If you don't get paid for it and they aren't violating the OT laws, don't work there. If they are violating the OT laws, bring a class action - happens all the time.
DoomGyver
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Quadraphonic
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You apparently fail at reading comprehension.