TheHollowNight
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On a side note, Dan Greenawalt's beard is magnificent in person. I'm sure Turn 10 will do the right thang.
From the outside looking in I see Forza as a game series that has gotten better and better, prettier and prettier over the years at a higher expense to the developer and game players have paid the same amount of money with every iteration to enjoy it. All the while the sales for the series seem to have remained relatively flat.
We have acceleration, and that was based on feedback from players in Forza 4 - there's a small group of players that can't be bothered to do things and they have disposable income.
What puts me off buying Xbone and F5 are those ridiculous patches. 6GB?! Come on.
it was actually about saving people's time when doing the grind.
Why does money even have to come into the picture?
1. Play the campaign legitimately, earning cars as you go. Don't make unlocking all the cars a massive grind. (I like carrot on a stick stuff, so give me something else to strive for, like unlocking a variety of cosmetic car items.)
2. For people who can't wait, enable a cheat code to unlock all the cars; but this disables earning achievements and trophies. Why should you be rewarded for taking a shortcut? The people who don't care about playing the campaign aren't going to care about earning campaign achievements anyway.
You can have your cake and eat it too, but don't expect to get credit for baking it as well, when you "bought it" with cheat codes.
Yes it does but the cash is a deterrent so "EVERYONE" doesn't input a code to get a car. If the temptation was only a code away, how many people would actually try to win a race they have difficulty with instead of just purchasing another car to do so?
Another way to look at this:
Over the years Forza has seen 5 releases, each offering an experience slightly honed and improved over the last. Over time, fans of this series have invested $50, $60, $60, $60 and $60 to enjoy these games, totaling over $250 (omitting recommended steering wheel accessories that never transfer to new consoles and the cost of consoles themselves). While better than ever, the fact remains that racing realistic cars around realistic tracks perhaps isn't as novel and exciting as it once was for some players, especially since the previous games they purchased are still sitting there, ready to be played if desired. And so the sales for the series seem to have remained relatively flat.
To tie this entire thing back into cars, T10 can go two ways. They can try to continue to innovate and deliver exceptional games at exceptional values, fostering a rabid and excited fanbase. Or they can go the way of GM and find new ways to nickel and dime their customers as they piss them off more and more. Didn't turn out so well for GM once the accountants were running the show, did it?
where? i play forza 5 all the time and i havn't seena patch yet???
back ground downloading maybe?
it's not about making more money, it was actually about saving people's time when doing the grind.
THEN WHY DOES IT COST MONEY?
Whatever happened to having a difficulty setting. Just make it take less time to make money on easy than on hard. Problem solved.Seriously, what ever happened to cheat codes. Don't tell me it's some how different or better than free to play when both are most often about saving time.
Why is this thread still going?
They're making major changes this coming week and there are still people posting in here that seem to have missed the other thread. The changes show that Dan does not want to force MTs (even though they NEVER were in the first place in my experience), and that Dan and T10 are willing to make major changes for some fans.
Go figure, this thread only got to 3 pages.
They're practically removing the work I expect in a sim racer from the sounds of it. It should make those that are upset happy. I suspect some of those "upset/angry" people never intended to play the game in the first place.
I didn't want them to remove the "grind" in career by throwing out money. Wish changing free-play was all they had done.
Why do you keep asking this? They got caught with their hand in our wallets and are now backpedaling. It's clear as fucking day. I applaud them saving face and backpedaling before it started getting more traction in the media. Good on them.
Basically:
Gutted basic expectations from previous games (reward cars, free drive, store front, lack of car choice in arcade/online)
Added MT to make it easier to access the above
Fans called them out on bullshit
They had to backpedal their greedy tactics
Now you want us to just forget? Sorry, I can't do that. Just like NBA2k14, if they handed out a bunch of their Virtual Currency for "free" for the people "having issues" it wouldn't change the fact that they did it. There is no fucking way they didn't know EXACTLY what they were doing.
"Oh shit, we were caught, maybe we were a little too greedy? Give them some shit, quick! Before it hits Kotaku!"
Out of everything, reward cars pisses me off, same with arcade having cars locked. And the LeFerrari being locked behind a paywall. Do I own F5? No, I owned every other Forza game though and played and loved them, have a pretty (now worthless) wheel setup for them specifically.
Fuck this practice.
Honestly, if this guy had any integrity, he'd just remove the microtransactions from the game. That, or make the game free. Have some balls, man.
Do you own an Xbox one?
Extra cars not on the disk. It's like the second disk for F4What puts me off buying Xbone and F5 are those ridiculous patches. 6GB?! Come on.
Do you own an Xbox one?
Then why did you do the following:it's not about making more money, it was actually about saving people's time when doing the grind.
I think the biggest travesty for me is how people have misread our intentions, because that's just been sad - community's the biggest thing for us, and the whole point is to get people excited about cars and excited about games, so people saying we've changed the economy for this reason and we removed this feature for that reason - I understand it, because perception's reality, and people start believing what they believe, but I know it's not the thought process we went through to make the decisions we made.
But honestly if you look at free-to-play games they usually have things called paywalls, where you're slowly wearing something down and the only way to get around it is to pay.
Why is this thread still going?
THEN WHY DOES IT COST MONEY?
THEN WHY DOES IT COST MONEY?
it's not about making more money, it was actually about saving people's time when doing the grind.
Yeah wtf? If they just wanted to get rid of the grind for the people who just want to drive all the cars or a specific car, they should have just had an option to "unlock all cars" (similar to the unlock all songs option in Rock Band). Clearly they just wanted an extra source of income.....
...and we wanted access to that.there's a small group of players that can't be bothered to do things and they have disposable income.
Why do you keep asking this? They got caught with their hand in our wallets and are now backpedaling. It's clear as fucking day. I applaud them saving face and backpedaling before it started getting more traction in the media. Good on them.
Basically:
Gutted basic expectations from previous games (reward cars, free drive, store front, lack of car choice in arcade/online)
Added MT to make it easier to access the above
Fans called them out on bullshit
They had to backpedal their greedy tactics
Now you want us to just forget? Sorry, I can't do that. Just like NBA2k14, if they handed out a bunch of their Virtual Currency for "free" for the people "having issues" it wouldn't change the fact that they did it. There is no fucking way they didn't know EXACTLY what they were doing.
"Oh shit, we were caught, maybe we were a little too greedy? Give them some shit, quick! Before it hits Kotaku!"
Out of everything, reward cars pisses me off, same with arcade having cars locked. And the LeFerrari being locked behind a paywall. Do I own F5? No, I owned every other Forza game though and played and loved them, have a pretty (now worthless) wheel setup for them specifically.
Fuck this practice.
This is the same shit I heard about the DRM policy, we "misinterpreted" the message, "misunderstood" their purpose.
GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.
Its PR. Don't take it so seriously.I wouldn't ever buy a Forza game, even if it's a masterpiece, because I know the creator is such an unsympathetic douchebag.
Its PR. Don't take it so seriously.