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Bravely Default censored for western release
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Do you have certain criteria for these labels or is it just because you like/dislike something?
OmegaDL50
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NeededSleep
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Prefer the new outfits. bonus for me!
The original costumes in the posted example look tacky to me.
That's not commentary on the issue of moderation and censorship, but I think in most art styles it's hard to pull something like that off. The semiotics are SHOUTING. And when you combine that with a super-deformed character style for gameplay, things start looking odd. It's a rough juxtaposition. The adjusted designs still feel sexy, and avoid that.
That's not commentary on the issue of moderation and censorship, but I think in most art styles it's hard to pull something like that off. The semiotics are SHOUTING. And when you combine that with a super-deformed character style for gameplay, things start looking odd. It's a rough juxtaposition. The adjusted designs still feel sexy, and avoid that.
Fair enough, but I wouldn't want devs to adjust their games to what causes the smallest controversy but to be more concerned about what players want or don't want. And having both available would be the best solution for players.
I think they should've only done one of the two.
Either let them be skimpy 18 year olds (becase those don't exist in the real world!) or censor the 15 year old models. Doing both is overkill imo.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Square Enix themselves might have localized it in just that way.I just want to know where all this talk about the "Developer" is censoring this game so it's not censorship is coming from. It's not the developer that is censoring the game, it's the publisher NINTENDO that is censoring the game which the last time I checked didn't have a hand in making it. Say and feel whatever you want about this issue, it doesn't change the fact that is indeed very much censorship.
But sure, I bet if you went to the development team, they'd consider it being someone else making a change to their game.
Black Door
Banned
They are drawings.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That doesn't answer anything. People feel things for reasons. People think things for reasons. "Because the artist felt like it" is not a card to stop any further analysis of the artist's motivations
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
so? my love for the character comes from how much I liked her gameplay wise.
I know some people will joke about this, that's fine haha.
Dancers ftw.
You're making a huge generalization and simplifying an issue.
Seriously? Being against this change doesn't mean you're supporting that at all.
PataHikari
Banned
It doesn't matter how old they actually are. The game's art style makes them look like children.
Of 15 year old children.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Seems like the vast majority of people prefer the changes. So why is this thread 12 pages already?
partyphone
Banned
Never seen toddlers with thighs like that though.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Those who outright say they hate the change are at risk of being socially shamed for it.
Crawl back to your conservative hole.
Oh, the sweet irony of your avatar featuring a teen girl in a very violent game.
There is a disturbing trend here of people equating liking any form of the SD/Chibi style, which is a style that can (and have) represent(ed) characters of all ages, with being a pedophile. There are chibi old men that have all the child-like proportions any other character in the style would have, but they have beards, are hunched over and maybe a walking cane.
I wouldn't flip out if chibi Tellah was in a speedo, and I certainly wouldn't call someone a closet pedophile for enjoying such artwork.
On topic: I'm generally ok with these changes, because I do think that there probably needs to be less examples of combat in skimpy "armor" in all media for all genders. I will however salute the sad excision of the wonderful translation of this:
into this:
Farewell speedo Ringabel. You were too fabulous for this world.
I wouldn't flip out if chibi Tellah was in a speedo, and I certainly wouldn't call someone a closet pedophile for enjoying such artwork.
On topic: I'm generally ok with these changes, because I do think that there probably needs to be less examples of combat in skimpy "armor" in all media for all genders. I will however salute the sad excision of the wonderful translation of this:
into this:
Farewell speedo Ringabel. You were too fabulous for this world.
I agree that the redesigns are much better than the original outfits but the "if you are concerned with these changes in any way whatsoever you are a pedo and scum of the Earth" self-righteousness is really obnoxious and needs to stop. Censorship, be it imposed from a higher power or in the name of localization, is always a really tricky subject because its so subjective and easy for potential abuse - it always deserves scrutiny. Even in instances of things that personally disgust me, I'd prefer to err on the side of no censorship as often as possible.
All that being said, what I actually care about are the dialogue changes - did I fall into a time warp twenty years into the past? I understand jokes/references that straight up don't make sense/translate between languages but not actual omissions - I haven't heard of something of the sort anytime being done recently till now (I could have just missed the instances though). I have a really hard time believing there is anything in this game more offensive than anything we see in PG-13 movies or TV14 shows.
Heh, that reminds me I've often found some of the fatalities in the MK series, especially the latest one, to be disgusting to the point almost making me gag and yet I'd rather avoid the product that argue for its censorship. I can dislike a thing and still be uneasy about censoring it.
All that being said, what I actually care about are the dialogue changes - did I fall into a time warp twenty years into the past? I understand jokes/references that straight up don't make sense/translate between languages but not actual omissions - I haven't heard of something of the sort anytime being done recently till now (I could have just missed the instances though). I have a really hard time believing there is anything in this game more offensive than anything we see in PG-13 movies or TV14 shows.
Heh, that reminds me I've often found some of the fatalities in the MK series, especially the latest one, to be disgusting to the point almost making me gag and yet I'd rather avoid the product that argue for its censorship. I can dislike a thing and still be uneasy about censoring it.
Well if anyone wants to they could the producer about it. He's been very upfront about everything on Twitter.
JaseMath
Member
Because you're wrong!
Rogue Agent
Banned
Not if you would choose to differentiate between fictional chibi characters and real-life children wearing something so revealing as this. But that's a choice and some people will choose not to do it, which is fair and sensible. But then accusing those who have no problem with the original, as being paedophiles or creepy is just plain immature. Some people can or choose to differentiate.
Depends on how you view it all. I think clothing like that is unnecessarily annoying in both the norml and censored versions. What I would have preferred is having a more sensible design in the first place and having the other outfits as unlocks, unless of course if they already are.
They actually look like both. The head body ratio invokes a child like look, but the hip/waist ratio (and having breasts at all) is something you only see by teens/adults.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
LOL
I see now.
If you liked the original art you are an awful human being.
Ehhhh..don't care about that. I like the changes.
AtomskEater
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Because you don't have it set to 100 posts per page.
I get what you are saying, but what you are asking is impossible. How can someone see something and somehow not connect it to some human based thought. Everything we ever see or hear is clearly going to be compared to something we have seen or heard before. What I'm saying is that the fictional potato sack thighs in this game does not make me think of a real potato sack. There is no 1:1 comparison. It's not like I see these chibi character models and think of 5 year olds, which is apparently what tons of people in here think. If that was the case that would be disgusting.
I've never seen a toddler with breasts, waists, and hips like those.
Rogue Agent
Banned
If you think this resembles children in real life wearing such things... well I don't know what to tell you. (I'm just using your logic here BTW)
PataHikari
Banned
Because it doesn't matter how old the story says they are, the art makes them look like children.
Also it's not censorship in the first place.
MK fatalities are so ridiculous and over the top that its hard to take them seriously, I am pretty sure they done with comedic intend, hell, in the earlier games characters would explode with unrealistic amount of bones and stuff.
MrCookiepants
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Because we're all arguing over who's the paedophile.
Black Door
Banned
What is sensible in a fantasy world? Hell, on a parallel universe earth people may not even wear clothes and putting on trunks or some earrings or something is grounds for arrest and stoning
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
They aren't.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Having an in to Japanese culture through my girlfriend, I honestly think the reason why they make this loli stuff is just because they think it's cute.
Pedo is a word that gets thrown around a lot, but I think even this supposed "otaku audience" are more into the designs because they think it's adorable. Not a lot of actual sexual fantasizing going on.
I don't know if that really excuses it for people, but that's what I see when even my 30 year old girlfriend picks up a loli girl in a toy shop and says "CUTE!" Anecdotes and all that.
OmegaDL50
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If you care enough about peoples social status over something as meaningless as presentation over a fictional character in a video game, then I'd say there is a far deeply concerning matter that should be addressed first.
Just because people don't like a specific change doesn't mean they fall under a social stigma or should be generalized with labels such as being a "pedo" and some of the other gross fucking accusations thrown around in this thread.
FrostuTheNinja
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pancakesandsex
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Unrealistic and over the top you say? Kinda like these outfits you mean?
No, it doesn't. Chibi =/= children. The girls have wide hips and boobs.
See you keep saying this over and over but I'm not understanding how it's not censorship?
It is censorship, and I don't recall seeing any real-life "toddlers" with wide hips and breasts. It sounds like you're just plain against art that doesn't personally appeal to you, regardless of the age of the character.
PataHikari
Banned
Children can have wide hips and boobs so I don't really see your point.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Self-censorship exists.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, it is, that's kind of my point. You don't think of it as a real potato sack, but you recognize that the developers/artists are trying to convey the effect of "potato-sackness". In the same vein plenty of people, myself included, see a fifteen year old character dressed in a ridiculously skimpy outfit in a way that clearly feels like fanservice and we're uncomfortable because the developers are clearly trying to convey the effect of "skimpily-dressed-fifteen-year-old-ness"
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