Perhaps instead of allowing your politicians to give the rich constant blowjobs, they could actually spend a bit of money on infrastructure to make the shittastic south actually liveable.
Too bad not much can be done about the people...
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Go back to CA: Couples car, house vandalized (Portland, OR)
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Perhaps instead of allowing your politicians to give the rich constant blowjobs, they could actually spend a bit of money on infrastructure to make the shittastic south actually liveable.
Too bad not much can be done about the people...
Yeah, this. This is all a chain reaction to foreign investors pushing out Californians. The next step will be people in Idaho getting upset over transplanted Oregonians.
Most of Cali is a shithole, as is most of Oregon. The battle is between *Portland* vs *specific California city*.
hahahahahahahahahah
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This isn't really true.
We had a governor push "Visit but don't stay" as a more or less a State motto for 10 straight years through the 60s/70s.
Xtian was basically quoting it earlier in the thread.
The anti-California sentiment is a statewide thing, and has been since I've been alive and living in this state (which is my entire life)
Sunster
Member
trueee
No, but I think its pretty easy to educate yourself on some basic info outside of the US. You act like the coastal cities being blue has something to do with the housing price? You might want to look up major cities in the world and where they are located in respect to their country. The housing prices are expensive because they are good cities people actually want to live in or near.
Any state in the US is "pretty liveable", especially the urban, more liberal areas. Those liberal areas are probably very liveable. Not a lot of people are trying desperately to get to Bumfuck, Alabama. Sorry to hurt your southern pride.
Too hot
parrotbeak
Member
I'd be hella mad.
I was told a few times from local Portlanders in the late 1990s when I was there for college about how Californians were ruining it by moving in. But there were also tons of people from other states, and they didn't seem upset about us.
I was told a few times from local Portlanders in the late 1990s when I was there for college about how Californians were ruining it by moving in. But there were also tons of people from other states, and they didn't seem upset about us.
This isn't a sentiment shared only by Oregon either, though the California/Portland beef is well documented.
I spent a summer in California interning and brought my car from my home state of Nebraska and that alone caught me some flak from people I didn't know. Though I wasn't in San Francisco (I was in Santa Barbara) there exists a contingent of people who really don't like Midwesterners, especially those who work in tech., transplanting to the state. I never experienced anything like this guy though.
I spent a summer in California interning and brought my car from my home state of Nebraska and that alone caught me some flak from people I didn't know. Though I wasn't in San Francisco (I was in Santa Barbara) there exists a contingent of people who really don't like Midwesterners, especially those who work in tech., transplanting to the state. I never experienced anything like this guy though.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
Wow, really? People from the Midwest tend to be the most genuinely nice people I've met, in my experience.
Also, being from Arizona/Southern California is really weird because many people in Phoenix hate Southern California, it's weird. Tucson, of course, is very close minded against almost anyone else.
Matrix XII
Member
That is pretty frightening. I'd be super choked. Although they seemed to be ok about the whole thing somehow.
Weren't you saying earlier how much better Tucson was?
Mercury Fred
Banned
smh
Taxing foreign investors will cause just a one-time drop in prices. Nothing's really going to happen until and unless Prop 13 is significantly cut down or repealed and zoning is liberalized.
parrotbeak
Member
That's shitty but the "wash your car once a week" made me lol.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Tucson is probably just as liberal as California.
These sentiments have been around for awhile. A couple family members volunteered to go to Oregon to canvas for in the 2008 election. The way they described it is that they were going door to door telling their story and as soon as they got to the part where said they were from California they would get a ton of animosity, which at least would largely disappear if they stressed that they were only up there because they were there temporarily, were passionate about Obama, and not planning on moving to Oregon.
Housing is affordable in the South because most of it is worse off than a lot of third world countries, especially Alabama and Mississippi. They're not places that most people in states like California or New York would ever want to move to.
Epsilon-delta
Banned
What happened in the OP has been happening in Florida since the 80s.
Locals can't compete with northerners who have no problem buying real estate with straight cash.
IIRC, 2/3 of Floridians are transplants.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Yes. I grew up in AZ. The valley not Tucson. I've been gone for 17 years but when I was there I remember people fucking hated CA people, meanwhile the valley was doing everything it could to be socal jr. what a joke.
I live in Utah now and I've never once heard anyone complain about people from CA or any state for that matter. Granted its Utah so I hear some weird shit but I haven't ran into state hate.
entremet
Member
Tokyo is an example where this is not the case.
There are many livable and attractive areas not dependent on ridiculous real estate pricing.
Had a business meeting out in Bend Oregon a couple of month ago and while I was there, I had a chance to mingle with some of the locals and I could see the difference between the CA folks and the original Oregonians. The people from california that lived in Bend, flew back and forth to San Francisco for work. That was cheaper than actually living in San Fran.
Slackbladder
Member
This is the same Portland where Republicans want militia as security -
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/01/portland-far-right-rally-republicans-militia-security Yep, sounds like a shithole alright.
I don't get this mindset of "I was born here and you weren't so you are bad." If the person is bad, or they're actively causing trouble, then that's one thing. But if they just moved in and they're not bothering you, why care about it? More people need to get hobbies than worry about stuff like this.
I never wanted to die more in my life than the three hours I spent in Phoenix. They can have it.
I never wanted to die more in my life than the three hours I spent in Phoenix. They can have it.
andythinkpad
Member
I hope they wear the graffiti with pride.
I would decorate the "CALIFORNIA" letter with some funky mural.
I would decorate the "CALIFORNIA" letter with some funky mural.
Havoc2049
Member
Tucson is about as liberal as Orange County and San Diego, CA.
I'm from Southern California and I've spent some extended time in the Southern part of the United States due to work and I think it is really nice. I would live in Mobile, AL, Jacksonville/St. Augustine, FL area, Savannah, GA or Charleston , SC.
Most states seem to hate California. Many long time Californians seem to hate California as well...lol
This is nothing new of course. I still fondly remember this funny sketch about "Invading Californians" on almost live: https://youtu.be/79SF7UoO1pI?list=PLCA17076A08A17697 and this was from 25 years ago.
And yes, that was a young Bill Nye as one of the California Zombies.
And yes, that was a young Bill Nye as one of the California Zombies.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Biggie went back to Cal and got shot, wouldn't recommend it.
One issue is that Californians don't learn this state's driving rules. Here in Oregon, u-turns at traffic lights are illegal (ORS 811.365) unless 1) posted that it is okay to do a u-turn, or 2) basically in a rural area. In California, it is the opposite; it is legal to do u-turns at traffic lights unless posted not to. I've almost been in two separate traffic accidents resulting from a vehicle with California license plates that made an illegal u-turn from a left-hand turn lane. I've seen several other potential situations with vehicles turning right at an intersection and a California car doing a left-lane u-turn into the right-turning car. Situations like this just further embed the dislike for Californians who don't read up on the state's laws and regulations. In general, Californians are indeed causing trouble.
The Oregonian has a better explanation of the events. Basically, the CA guy stopped in front of his house to drop off his spouse, sat in the narrow road for longer than necessary, and the guy behind him got annoyed because CA was blocking traffic.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/07/go_back_to_california_vandalis.html
900+ comments from other readers that basically confirm annoyance of the CA driver. The driver should of moved out of the way from the traffic flow, but he didn't.
One of my coworker is a CA transplant and was still driving around with CA plates on his car. One afternoon the other employees were joking about their annoyance of CA residents moving to the state (only a few of us knew he was originally from CA). He got Oregon plates on his car soon afterwards.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The OC hasn't voted Democrat in like 100 years.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
I was amazed when I visited Tokyo this year and looked at rent for 1 bedrooms in Shibuya. You literally live in the epicenter of one of the coolest cities in the world for less than half the price of a place in SF, LA, or NYC.
sir_kevith
Member
Portlanders have always hated Vancouver WA people the most because they won't help pay for a new I-5 bridge or light-rail even though they'd benefit most. It can be infuriating to see I-5 clogged with nothing but WA license plates every afternoon. Try to pass a light-rail and these contradictory folk up there say they don't want criminals coming from Portland to Vancouver. The ONLY reason to hang out in Vancouver is if you have family up there. Instead we have a light-rail that just stops at the Columbia river.
Californians are definitely resented and it's stupidly easy to start blaming them for everything regardless of if they're the real problem or not. It's just a shoot the messenger type of thing. Day to day youll see new Californian neighbors not pick up after their dog for some reason, buy up houses, wear golden state jerseys to blazers games even if the warriors aren't even playing, cut you off on the freeway, review restaurants on Yelp as authorities on everything authentic because they're from "the bay", etc.
It's easy just to blame Californians for everything going on rather than solve the problem. Fact is, people are gonna keep moving here and I'd rather it be Californians than almost any other place since it's been this way my whole life. Most my friends these days are coming from Cali. And tbh lot of people complaining are Californians complaining about other Californians! We all laugh about how stupid it all is but kinda partake in it if we drink enough lol.
Californians are definitely resented and it's stupidly easy to start blaming them for everything regardless of if they're the real problem or not. It's just a shoot the messenger type of thing. Day to day youll see new Californian neighbors not pick up after their dog for some reason, buy up houses, wear golden state jerseys to blazers games even if the warriors aren't even playing, cut you off on the freeway, review restaurants on Yelp as authorities on everything authentic because they're from "the bay", etc.
It's easy just to blame Californians for everything going on rather than solve the problem. Fact is, people are gonna keep moving here and I'd rather it be Californians than almost any other place since it's been this way my whole life. Most my friends these days are coming from Cali. And tbh lot of people complaining are Californians complaining about other Californians! We all laugh about how stupid it all is but kinda partake in it if we drink enough lol.
Anecdotally, California drivers really are terrible here in Oregon.
For one, they think they can legitimately use bike lanes when driving a car. Does California not have bike lanes. Do they not know what they are used for? They aren't your personal turn lane.
Oregon, in particular Portland and Eugene, have really amazing roadways for bicycling. In fact they are rated one of the top in the country for it.
This concept seems completely lost on California drivers.
For one, they think they can legitimately use bike lanes when driving a car. Does California not have bike lanes. Do they not know what they are used for? They aren't your personal turn lane.
Oregon, in particular Portland and Eugene, have really amazing roadways for bicycling. In fact they are rated one of the top in the country for it.
This concept seems completely lost on California drivers.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Keep Portland weird
sir_kevith
Member
Yeah in Cali you turn right from the bike lane. As a bike rider I'd be ok with either way but having two larger segments of drivers doing different things sucks.
Also the other week I was driving and needed to take a right and was waiting at a signal. The light goes green and I look over to my right to make sure there's no bicyclist and instead there's 3 fuckin cars coming up the bike lane to turn right and they cut me off from getting on the Hawthorne bridge!
Yeah it's a thing and it's bullshit. I'm a reverse case, and everyone in CA has been lovely.
True story: I grew up in Eugene and graduated from the UofO. I was in the dorms and around a lot of CA kids. My sentiment was always 'these fucking California drivers!' . I had a lot of CA qualities because my Dad, who was born/raised in Westwood taught me how to drive.
I then moved to Southern California 8 years ago and now when I go back my sentiment is always 'these fucking Oregon drivers!'
WORST part about Oregon drivers is that they don't enter the intersection to take a left turn. Waiting an entire light trying to take a left behind someone who doesn't go themselves... ugh.
I then moved to Southern California 8 years ago and now when I go back my sentiment is always 'these fucking Oregon drivers!'
WORST part about Oregon drivers is that they don't enter the intersection to take a left turn. Waiting an entire light trying to take a left behind someone who doesn't go themselves... ugh.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
They hate us cause they ain't us.
A lot of Western states hate California, I even saw some of the hate in Arizona. Californians have a certain air about them and some local slang (especially if they come from LA) and people have an instant reaction of "otherness". It's kinda like when someone is found out to be Texan outside of Texas.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
As someone who has lived in both... Oregon and California drivers are all terrible. California are too aggressive and Oregon are too passive. There is a middle ground that exists that most of the rest of the civilized world operates on.
Also your last point on the lights.. that's basically exclusive so SoCal. In any city that normally can result in a violation and ticket.
I like the way CA drives. It's aggressive but works for me. Oregon not so much but I get why and I understand the 'left turn intersection' issue (still hate it though). I was raised doing the 'creep in' and never once had an issue.
Will say that I was home last year I was home and my Dad was driving 17mph. I said 'Dad, I can literally run this fast'.
Oregonian here, born and raised. There has been a stigma and fear about Californians moving up here for some time related to housing demand, but I was raised thinking of it as a half-hearted joke. Everyone I know loves everyone on the West Coast and it hasn't been that hard (at least for me) to find a decent place at a decent price for years.
I think the people who did this act are just stupid and wasting their time vandalizing property. Real Oregonians embrace anyone who are willing to live in this beautiful state and help make it a better and better place.
I think the people who did this act are just stupid and wasting their time vandalizing property. Real Oregonians embrace anyone who are willing to live in this beautiful state and help make it a better and better place.
Soren_lost
Member
Man this is so embarrassing. Your properties? I really Really hope this is satire.
I'll put myself as a California transplant living in Portland and while not as bad as this thread makes it sound, it's been an extremely uncomfortable experience.
I don't understand the tribalism not just in Portland but the northwest in general. 1 in 8 Americans are in California. Los Angeles metro area alone has 4 times the population of Oregon. If you hate California, you hate America.
I agree. The south has plenty of developed cities with booming / emerging economies and very affordable real estate. The cities tend to be more diverse and liberal than the rural areas.
We get a lot of hate from people who have never been here. Some of it is justified, but some of it is based on decades old stereotypes that just don't hold true anymore. I live in a city of around 200k people. It's ethnically diverse, tends to vote blue, and has supported issues like gay marriage (we lit up a prominent pedestrian bridge with a rainbow to celebrate that). I was able to purchase a new construction 3 bed/2 bath house when I was 22 and in college due to the low cost of housing. Speaking of college, my undergraduate tuition was ~$1400/semester. Plenty of jobs in healthcare, the trades, manufacturing, and clean energy.
Sure, it's not a paradise. I lived elsewhere for several years and preferred that location, but overall I'm happy here. It may not be a dream location or a destination city, but it's a place where your average person can live a comfortable and happy life.
Whew, didn't mean to go on a rant like that. Also.. I'm the first to admit that we only have maybe two or three cities I would even consider living in. The rest of the state is still rural and backwards.
That all sounds lovely but its still too hot down there