http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441156Luckyman said:How the fuck can it be downgraded when it has never been shown
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441156Luckyman said:How the fuck can it be downgraded when it has never been shown
Sennorin said:If it wasn´t before, PSV is in trouble now. I honestly see now chance for success in a world where the PSV costs the same as a PS3. THIS is the most direct competition Sony will face now. People will see this, see that the PS3 gets them a BluRay-player, better graphics, etc. and buy it instead of that handheld.
Will be extremely surprised if the PSV has any kind of continued high sales-numbers beyond its launch-period.
Curufinwe said:You realize the price will go down after the launch period, right? It won't be stuck at $250 forever. It might not even still be $250 at Christmas 2011.
Gravijah said:Christmas 2012 you mean?
Nirolak said:At this point I'm willing to predict that there's no real third party Western support.
Two of the many third partyFather_Brain said:How can you criticize the awesomeness of a new Assassin's Creed*, a new Bioshock**, and Call of Duty***?
*That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point
**That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point
***That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point, and may not even be a new game
It is very obvious at this point that many 3rd party pubs are taking a wait and see approach before they pull some of their resources from iOS and social games.Father_Brain said:Correct, but there are certain persons who maintained that it would get better Western support than any previous dedicated handheld, largely by virtue of shared console middleware.
Gravijah said:Christmas 2012 you mean?
Mr_Brit said:After the press conference I've now shifted from Vita is the greatest platform ever made to Vita is most likely doomed.
Luckyman said:Wow, you sure love to kneejerk drama.
Looks like you expected that they announce next GTA Vita Exclusive
Mr_Brit said:After the press conference I've now shifted from Vita is the greatest platform ever made to Vita is most likely doomed. Downgraded RAM(not certain but most likely), no third party support, relatively high price, vaporware titles, awful, awful first party titles like Resistance and reality fighters and most likely bad support from Sony in the future who will put PS3/PS4 ahead of Vita all adds up to a bleak future. I really hope Vita pulls through as it has the potential to be the greatest handheld ever.
Jinfash said:It is very obvious at this point that many 3rd party pubs are taking a wait and see approach before they pull some of their resources from iOS and social games.
Way to reasonable for my bipolar mind.Opiate said:As I said when there was positive Vita news (and positive 3DS news, and negative 3DS news), I think the market is too volatile and mutable to make very accurate predictions at the moment. Look how quickly the 3DS changed in public perception from world crusher to failure. Phone gaming may continue to have an impact on dedicated handheld gaming -- or maybe it won't, as PC gaming certainly has killed dedicated home consoles.
The most prudent choice is to simply wait and see. Most people don't follow that prudential advice, because it's boring, but so is investing your money instead of spending it all on new toys -- boring choices are often the right ones. Just wait and see.
"Sony's minions"? That sounds almost as bad as "nintards."antonz said:I think people expecting serious 3rd party support were delusional to begin with. Vita is going to have to prove itself before anyone outside of Sonys minions take it serious.
I dont doubt lots of port opportunities present itself to publishers but even ports cost money and they want to know it will be recovered
I was referring to their development studios not fansJinfash said:"Sony's minions"? That sounds almost as bad as "nintards."
Take it back.
Curufinwe said:It means when it launched in America in 2005, it cost $250, which is less in real dollars than the Vita will cost when it launches in America.
Curufinwe said:Except you couldn't save any progress.
Opiate said:As I said when there was positive Vita news (and positive 3DS news, and negative 3DS news), I think the market is too volatile and mutable to make very accurate predictions at the moment. Look how quickly the 3DS changed in public perception from world crusher to failure. Phone gaming may continue to have an impact on dedicated handheld gaming -- or maybe it won't, as PC gaming certainly has killed dedicated home consoles.
The most prudent choice is to simply wait and see. Most people don't follow that prudential advice, because it's boring, but so is investing your money instead of spending it all on new toys -- boring choices are often the right ones. Just wait and see.
That makes more sense.antonz said:I was referring to their development studios not fans
OldJadedGamer said:America = World? Your launch price wasn't the same price everyone else paid. I'm going by the very first day that the PSP hit retail shelves and gamers could play the system.
Now tell me how that stopped games from being played. You could still put a UMD in the drive and the game would power up. The launch price is what is is. Should we add the cost of HDMI cables to the PS3 launch price? How about memory cards to the launch price of the PS2? No. The price is what it is.
OldJadedGamer said:America = World? Your launch price wasn't the same price everyone else paid. I'm going by the very first day that the PSP hit retail shelves and gamers could play the system.
Nirolak said:At this point I'm willing to predict that there's no real third party Western support.
Curufinwe said:In America and the EU, combined a far larger market than Japan, the PSV will cost the same as the PSP at launch, less accounting for inflation.
Downgraded RAM? Isn't there a thread about the Vita's RAM being confirmed to be 512 main Ram and 128 video Ram? How the fuck is that downgraded?Mr_Brit said:After the press conference I've now shifted from Vita is the greatest platform ever made to Vita is most likely doomed. Downgraded RAM(not certain but most likely), no third party support, relatively high price, vaporware titles, awful, awful first party titles like Resistance and reality fighters and most likely bad support from Sony in the future who will put PS3/PS4 ahead of Vita all adds up to a bleak future. I really hope Vita pulls through as it has the potential to be the greatest handheld ever.
googleplex said:Downgraded RAM? Isn't there a thread about the Vita's RAM being confirmed to be 512 main Ram and 128 video Ram? How the fuck is that downgraded?
googleplex said:Downgraded RAM? Isn't there a thread about the Vita's RAM being confirmed to be 512 main Ram and 128 video Ram? How the fuck is that downgraded?
OldJadedGamer said:No it won't, it will be 5,180 yen more. Remember... which region was the PSP the most successful in and what region did it launch at the lowest price? I really don't know why you are trying to spin this when the facts are the facts.
DangerousDave said:But Sony don't need to sell as much Vita as possible. They need to sell enough Vita with a price that allow them to get benefits for each unit sold, in average.
Sony don't need to break any sale benchmark. They need to sell enough Vita to keep the thirds on board
neptunes said:Publishers and developers might jizz over a large install-base, but they'll jizz even more over a more focused and dedicated install-base that will actually buy more than 2 games throughout a console's lifetime.
Fafalada said:all that says to me there's a group that definitely does it.
I mean the smugness and sureness of things you know nothing about in this post is amazing. Good show sir.Father_Brain said:How can you criticize the awesomeness of a new Assassin's Creed*, a new Bioshock**, and Call of Duty***?
*That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point
**That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point
***That doesn't formally exist yet as anything other than a bullet point, and may not even be a new game
charlequin said:Ahaha, that's precious.
Systems that sell badly don't produce magical, ultra-dedicated fanbases with ultra-high attach rates to make up for it (see PS3.)
theBishop said:I don't think anyone would argue selling poorly > selling well, but we saw with the Wii that remarkable hardware sales don't always translate to remarkable software sales.
Really, that post was about the opposite of certainty.iamshadowlark said:I mean the smugness and sureness of things you know nothing about in this post is amazing. Good show sir.
Sony has no reason to lie. These are western games and its not due out west for a good while. I'd be surprised if those titles didn't make their way to the platform in some way. To say they are nothing but bullet points implies that sony would have some rhyme or reason to deceive us.Father_Brain said:Really, that post was about the opposite of certainty.
From all we know about those games, they might as well be abstractions. They may or may not be real. They're Schrodinger's cat. Can't judge the cat's health until it's out of the box.
OldJadedGamer said:No it won't, it will be 5,180 yen more. Remember... which region was the PSP the most successful in and what region did it launch at the lowest price? I really don't know why you are trying to spin this when the facts are the facts.
DangerousDave said:Do you really think that the PSP is more succesful NOW in Japan than in the rest of the world is because it launched 7 years ago slightly more cheaper in Japan?
The funny stuff is that you didn't even know that PSP launched at 20k yens in Japan (or at least, it wasn't your argument). You were defending a few posts before that the fact that PSV will be more expensive in Japan is because of the difference of the dollar-yen change between 2004 and 2011 (185$ vs 315$), like if the people in Japan got their salaries in dollars. When I said about the PSP core version, you forgot your previous argument and you stuck with the PSP Core was cheaper argument like a burning nail.
Curufinwe said:When it launches in the EU and the US in 2012 it will cost 249/$249 - the same price that the PSP cost when it launched in those territories in 2005.
I don't know why you can't accept that Japan is just one territory, not the whole world.
It's bizarre, but totally unsurprising coming from him.
Truth101 said:Japan is the most important region for hand-helds if you think otherwise you are delusional.
Mr_Brit said:After the press conference I've now shifted from Vita is the greatest platform ever made to Vita is most likely doomed. Downgraded RAM(not certain but most likely), no third party support, relatively high price, vaporware titles, awful, awful first party titles like Resistance and reality fighters and most likely bad support from Sony in the future who will put PS3/PS4 ahead of Vita all adds up to a bleak future. I really hope Vita pulls through as it has the potential to be the greatest handheld ever.
Curufinwe said:Most important region, yes. Only region that matters, no. Even now Japan only accounts for a quarter of LTD PSP sales.
artwalknoon said:I thought the vita today looks better than it has at any point prior. Each time we get new info its good info, like all retail games being downloadable, the ram being confirmed, more third party support, etc.
Curufinwe said:Most important region, yes. Only region that matters, no. Even now Japan only accounts for a quarter of LTD PSP sales.
http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=436378
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/110228_e.html
Was that reactions on gaf or in the gaming media? I just got on Gaf and I haven't realy browsed other gaming sites today.Jin34 said:Most people's impression immediately after the sony conf was that the games lineup was weak, they needed to show more, with western support being very lacking. The ram news is great for us here in gaf but is utterly irrelevant from a sales pov.
artwalknoon said:Was that reactions on gaf or in the gaming media? I just got on Gaf and I haven't realy browsed other gaming sites today.
I feel like as it is now, if the vita appeals to you and you buy one at launch you won't be disappointed. I like the line up of games and everything the system does it seems to do very well. For contrast, when the 3ds came out it seemed like a lot of people very quickly ended up disappointed with their purchase, with the games available, or with features that were promised but not yet available. The vita doesn't seem like it will have the same issues.
charlequin said:Yes, but it's a giant (and foolish) leap to take from "the system's target audience may result in some differences in attach rate" to "fuck the mass market, a niche hardcore system that sells badly will do enough in REAL GAMERZ software sales to make up for it"
Niche is not a workable strategy for PSVita. Sony need to have at least solid and ongoing mainstream sales or the product is in trouble, same as for any other console or handheld.