Devilgunman
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GodDAMN son, just what the fuck is going on in the UK? It's like the entire area has given up on video games.
1.5 millions games sold among PS360 + PC. I wouldn't call that giving up.
GodDAMN son, just what the fuck is going on in the UK? It's like the entire area has given up on video games.
Was the game any good in the end? It could have sold badly even if the Wii U was selling well is the quality isn't up to scratch.
Baconsammy said:If Mario is talking like this, lose all hope
I figured. Nintendo's only going to really be able to get a hand with Japanese studios. This is why they're willing to bring over more Japanese IP on 3DS, and want to do more collaborations. Nintendo is banking on the Japanese game industry for their platforms.
Let's hope that works.
Come on people. It's just after a launch. A launch that bested the 360 and PS3 launches no less.
It is one of the top rated games for the platform.
I've been down on next gen consoles and the retail market for a while which is something to consider. Grain of salt and all that. Am reporting what I am hearing though.
Nintendo has a plan and has shown part of it. It'll turn around.
CoD sold a couple hundred thousand I believe on Wii U. My guess is probably AC III. I understand you can't tell us though. Thanks for the insight.
Doom...
PSP still lives thanks to them.If this is true, then Nintendo is truly doomed.
I was mainly just joking about:
If this is true, then Nintendo is truly doomed.
Ah, heh. Sorry, I've been so desensitized to that joke over the years so as to not notice it.
Come on people. It's just after a launch. A launch that bested the 360 and PS3 launches no less.
Sure, it's not amazing and could be much better, but people are less likely to buy a new system at this time. Plus, as it's a new console, and not an established one, of course software sales are going to be down. People are more likely to purchase a game for a console they have than a new console, afterall.
Contrary to belief here, and across the internet, launches are never blazes of glory, selling dozens of millions of games and units in the first few months.
Nintendo has a plan and has shown part of it. It'll turn around.
On a sidenote, it's ridiculous that developers complain about lack of sales and decide to help cure this by canning games. It's the same with the Vita and 3DS (back when the 3DS was in this exact situation).
We'll see a similar pattern at the end of the year, of that I can guarantee
Source?
It would be really strange if it sold 100k+ but the online was still a piss poor 1-3k on at any given time.
I've been down on next gen consoles and the retail market for a while which is something to consider. Grain of salt and all that. Am reporting what I am hearing though.
If this is true, then Nintendo is truly doomed.
Nintendo had a plan. And they showed it. That plan consisted of 5.5 million Wii Us sold throughout the world by April 1st. Last week that planned dropped by 1.5 million consoles. We don't get to decide the metrics by which the Wii U is measured. Nintendo does. By their own estimation, the Wii U is in trouble.
So you don't think PS4/ Nextbox will sell well either?
If Mario is talking like this, lose all hope.
Steve Youngblood said:More alarming than the lowered projections I think is the fact that they have acknowledged that there is a problem, and I think the Nintendo Direct was clearly an indication that they're going to address it. However, it seems to have had little impact. Not that I think Nintendo Direct should have an immediate, monumental impact, but hardware sales simply continued to drop in Japan, and now there's this Rayman clusterfuck. If that was the start of the "everything's going to be fine" tour, we're not off to a great start. I hope they've got something between now and E3 which was promised to be the big demoing of Mario, Mario Kart, and Smash.
I don't have much of an opinion on what they might achieve in terms of an install base. But my general opinion is this next console generation is going to fail. The infrastructure for retail sales is crumbling, console platform manufacturers are still wanting to control content and prices too much, and the shift to other platforms (of consumers and dev support) in the meantime has been significant (my reasoning is more nuanced, but those are the big ticket items).
Some of the high rated games were late and bad ports and they were selling to informed consumers. Lets say it was Batman, if the person in marketing predicted sales in the millions they 1. forgot it was a late port 2. didn't know it wasn't going to turn out as badly as it did.It is one of the top rated games for the platform.
PSV doing better than than the wii-u, he he..
Yes the Nintendo is truly doomed, they'll have to cancel all future titles and R&D developments and go third party, because the Wii U is very sluggish in the first half of 2013.
pack it up boys and girls, because theres no possible and rational and logical way Nintendo can rebound from this, just cut off their losses, fire Iwata, Reggie, Miyamoto and Sakurai, put some leading business executives in their seats and they'll be rolling in dough developing quick bucks on iOS.
and hire Brera as CEO.
If this is true, then Nintendo is truly doomed.
Damn, damage control PERFECTED
sarcasm is contribution, right?
This is why you release new consoles with more games and -if possible- a couple AAA titles.
This is bad, but it's strongly due to lack of software. Poorly planned release of Wii U. It will recover later this year when more games show up.
So basically iPhone's will kill us all?
I think nintendo needs to relaunch this thing ala ps3.
Bolder look to differentiate it from the wii. YES
Colors...Many of them. YES
Only one model Available. YES
Better Advertising. YES
New name, something like wii u Extreme or Super wii u or wii u Gaming Space, anything. -- Will never happen
$199 YES
Moneyhat exclusives, DLC
BD playback Will never happen
Bundles, lots of them. Mario Kart this holiday
just insane. It was either Zombi U or COD for sheezy. Probably COD because "millions" and it had the most potential to sell.Pubs and devs never recoiled from PS3 like they seem to be with Wii U (though this is anecdotal). There was always the confidence that the numbers would get there over time with PS3. I'm not sensing that with Wii U.
I had a data point yesterday at lunch with a high budget Wii U game that was hoping to sell "millions" over time. It only managed "tens of thousands".
sarcasm is contribution, right?
I'm not so sure. If they can create an ecosystem where Japanese games can thrive more easily in the world, they can create a platform that's a hardcore gamers' dream come true. So many games are left in Japan, a lot that people here on GAF care about. Having those games and franchises localized on a Nintendo platform can make it an easier bullet for the core to support, given the aftertaste of the Wii.
That depends on how much Nintendo extends their hand to other Japanese studios, however. The ball is in their court to make their platform enticing to consumers.
This is why you release new consoles with more games and -if possible- a couple AAA titles.
This is bad, but it's strongly due to lack of software. Poorly planned release of Wii U. It will recover later this year when more games show up.
Unless console manufacturers open their platforms up in a similar way by not curating content so aggressively and allowing publishing and pricing control by individual companies they will flounder.
It's probably going to get even worse over the next month or six.
Was the game any good in the end? It could have sold badly even if the Wii U was selling well is the quality isn't up to scratch.
Well of course not. That's popular culture. I'm part of the high brow.The problem is that we are not the normal games consumer.
<-------- 2013 -------------> <-------- 2012 --------->
System Share (%) Share (units) Share (%) Share (units)
Xbox 360 38.4% 810K (-50K) 30.9% 860K
PS3 25.8% 545K (-28K) 20.6% 573K
PC 10.8% 228K (-84K) 11.2% 312K
Wii 8.6% 182K (-352K) 19.2% 534K
NDS 6.6% 139K (-170K) 11.1% 309K
3DS 5.3% 112K (-44K) 5.7% 156K
PSV 2.2% 46K (----) ----% ---K
WiiU 1.6% 34K (----) ----% ---K
PSP 0.6% 13K (-18K) 1.1% 31K
PS2 0.1% 2K (-1K) 0.1% 3K
The problem is that we are not the normal games consumer. Look at the top 20 UK games for 2012 for example:
The Top 20 Games of 2012:
1. Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Activision
2. FIFA 13 - Electronic Arts
3. Assassin's Creed III - Ubisoft
4. Halo 4 - Microsoft
5. Hitman Absolution - Square Enix
6. Just Dance 4 - Ubisoft
7. Far Cry 3 - Ubisoft
8. FIFA 12 - Electronic Arts
9. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Bethesda
10. Borderlands 2 - 2K Games
11. Mass Effect 3 - Electronic Arts
12. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes - Warner Bros
13. Need for Speed: Most Wanted - Electronic Arts
14. FIFA Street - Electronic Arts
15. Mario & Sonic: London 2012 Olympic Games
16. Skylanders Giants - Activision
17. Battlefield 3 - Electronic Arts
18. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Activision
19. Max Payne 3 - Rockstar
20. Sleeping Dogs - Square Enix
Not exactly alot of Japanese developed games on that list. Nintendo and Sony both need to continue to attract western developer.
Haven't various developers been saying that Nintendo have been doing this on the eShop for download games?
Yep. Nintendo has been surprisingly a leader here by all accounts.
Without the install base though, that doesn't count for much.
Not iPhone specifically, but the business models it allows e.g. digital distribution, software as a service, free to play. PC, web, smartphone and tablet are where the growth is and where consumers are going.
Unless console manufacturers open their platforms up in a similar way by not curating content so aggressively and allowing publishing and pricing control by individual companies they will flounder.
Where the market is at right now, tech specs are irrelevant. Content and access to it is the driving factor for success.
They just have to build that though and, as you know, that takes time.
Shipping 3 million units and selling 2 million in the first two months is not bad at all. As noted earlier, it's better than the others did and just worse than the Wii.
Yeah they dropped their estimates, which were ridiculously high, but it's by no means dire.
I seriously don't see why developers are dropping at such an early juncture.
They just have to build that though and, as you know, that takes time.
Shipping 3 million units and selling 2 million in the first two months is not bad at all. As noted earlier, it's better than the others did and just worse than the Wii.
Yeah they dropped their estimates, which were ridiculously high, but it's by no means dire.
I seriously don't see why developers are dropping at such an early juncture.