Ignis Fatuus
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I gotta say that right now he's presenting a much more persuasive case than you. I'd personally like to hear more. Brain_Stew seems to agree with you so I'm assuming you may well be right, but I'd like to know why.jett said:
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3DS gameplay videos at Nintendo Conference from MXTV
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plagiarize said:
Certainly isn't the framerate from progressive scan.
Impossible. Not only is most of the footage features the ghosting from the 3D, I can't work with video like that.
Just see the difference between Ridge Racer 3DS and OoT 3DS. The video is the same framerate, but the games certainly aren't, and you can tell the difference.
jett said:
lol Well, of course it is. That's the point.
Here is one with a slower cycle, at 1 frame per .5 frame.
Frames don't disappear completely when you have a lower framerate. It's usually interlaced or blended together, causing motion blur. Motion blur happens when what you are recording is moving faster than what your recording device can detect, whether it be a video camera or your eyes.
Father_Brain
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Dear Capcom: Please release a gameplay trailer of RE: Revelations. Now.
manueldelalas
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Does Link run faster now?
Fallout-NL
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Fantastical said:
Yeah, I don't see why they couldn't just embrace two sticks on a device like that.
Fantastical
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But it's not the same perspective... I don't know, it looked weird. Why don't they just do third person? Or put a red dot like in RE4/RE5 for aiming. Perhaps I'm just thinking it would be awkward and I need to play it, but it looked awkward to me.Himuro said:
Edit: Also in RE4/RE5, you move with one stick and aim with another. It's been a while since I've played either so you can't move and aim at the same time, right? But the different stick for the different function feels more natural to me I guess. Using the slide pad for both aiming and movement seems strange.
Ignis Fatuus
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The red dot was necessary for over the shoulder aiming, which I think would be impractical on the small screen of the 3DS. They don't want Jill's shoulder blocking half your view. At least that's my assumption.Fantastical said:
Ignis Fatuus said:
He presented two animated gifs, one made to animate twice as fast as the other. :lol What a case!
What do you mean why? Youtube videos are encoded at thirty frames per second. A 60fps game will lose half its frames in the encoding process. That's just the facts. Nevermind that the probably digital camera the japanese show used no doubt recorded at 30fps to being with!
Anyone who's familiar with 60fps will tell you that does not look like 60fps. This for instance does not look like anything like what the actual game does running in front of you.
Fantastical
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But then they go and do RE: Mercenaries 3D in that perspective, so I don't get it...Ignis Fatuus said:
Lol okay. I guess it is about time to play RE4 again for the 10th time...plagiarize said:
plagiarize
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you're only wrong in that it's only 50Hz in some territories. in the US it's 60Hz.Easy_D said:
480i updates 60 times a second, but it only updates half the image each time (so, all the odd lines, then all the even lines). so, if you're playing a 60 fps game, you'll see half of each frame, and if you're playing a 30 fps game, you'll see each complete frame eventually, though you'll still have interlaced in betweens, if that makes sense.
AOAO
ABAB
CBCB
CDCD
EDED
EFEF
is how it'd display 60 fps, if each letter is a frame.
AOAO
AAAA
BABA
BBBB
CBCB
CCCC
DCDC
is how it'd display 30 fps, if each letter is a frame.
clear difference anyways.
plagiarize
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yeah it's been too long since you played them.Fantastical said:
that's not how it works.
Hot Coldman
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Himuro said:
We lose him and his glorious tag and forum self-esteem goes down the shitter overnight. He's essential!
flyinpiranha
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That screen looks gorgeously large. Yeah, I said it ... and I'm not nervous
Ignis Fatuus
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That's pretty much it. I think it'd be scarier to see a Regenerator approaching you in 3D in the first person.Boney said:
He presented a .gif but you weren't really presenting anything, hence my request for more information. I know that Youtube videos are 30fps but the point about pixel blurring when taking videos of 60fps material seems to make sense. I don't think anyone is saying the video looks identical to 60fps or whatever, but rather that you can tell that there's a difference.jett said:
Regardless even a locked 30fps would be solid and a vast improvement over whatever the fuck was going on in the original. There's really no reason not to have 60fps though, it's not like the game is pushing the graphical envelope on the 3DS.
plagiarize
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i'm down with that.Himuro said:
neo2046
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Samurai Warriors Chronicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHa-pRZqPq4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHa-pRZqPq4
ShinNL
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That's a direct-feed, not the same as off-screen recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=236yjY0O46wjett said:
The motion blur argument is correct.
Hot Coldman
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neo2046 said:
Any Kid Icarus or Pilotwings footage on the way?
sixteen-bit
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resi looking impressive
Ignis Fatuus
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That's good to know. The Zelda video does look smoother than Ridge Racer, though that may mean that Ridge Racer is less than 30fps or it could just be my imagination.Soneet said:
Needs more troops on screen at the same time. A million would be nice.neo2046 said:
Anymore?
Willy105 said:
If you want to discuss it, you can, I suppose. But I've grown exhausted by this sort of discussion in reference to anything console or handheld related. Want impressive tech worth discussing? Game on a PC. Discussing it in reference to console and handheld gaming comes off as ridiculous as analyzing the AI in a Tiger Electronics baseball video game.
Ignis Fatuus
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I would kill for some Kid Icarus footage taken from the "wild."neo2046 said:
â Narayan
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:loljett said:
And yeah, they better do this for Majora's Mask.
Ignis Fatuus
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One million twoops.neo2046 said:
She's also all like "He really went in! He really went in!"jett said:
Xdrive05
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Anyone else think OOT 3DS might be ousing the WW/TP engine? No reason for them not to, since the 3ds seems to be well more capable than the gamecube. That's probably another nice thing about it: gamecube engines should port very nicely. Throw in some shaders coding and now you've got a stew going, baby!
Graphics Horse
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Also the camera is still just off to the right when aiming, just much closer. Looks like it's literally an on the shoulder camera now. There's a laser sight too.
rollingstart
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Ignis Fatuus said:
That assumption kinda fails when RE Mercenaries 3DS still uses the over the shoulder view.
Then again, RE:R is on a boat and more claustrophobic compared to the larger areas of RE4/5.
RE:R actually reminds me a lot of Resident Evil Dead Aim with the Guncon 2. It's on a boat, third person when moving around, then first person when aiming. That doesn't inspire confidence.
Scythesurge
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This was the first thing I hoped for when I heard OoT was being remade. I get the feeling that it won't be included though.Princess Skittles said:
Ignis Fatuus
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Depends where your expectations are, I suppose. This is the original OoT with graphics that faithfully bring the artwork to life, and a rock solid framerate. That's all I ever wanted or needed. I couldn't even replay OoT on the Gamecube because the framerate was so bad.Boney said:
Then there's the fact that it's going to be in 3D. Do want.
I mean how much do you need to fuck with what was basically a perfect game? And no I never had trouble in the Water Temple.