Dude Abides
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Just some good ol' fashioned boy talk. And boy grab-and-kiss.
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A new video shows Donald Trump grabbing and kissing a former Miss Universe
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Just some good ol' fashioned boy talk. And boy grab-and-kiss.
Wait, are you using the fact that Trump called him a pussy as something that is degrading toward women? Haven't you heard people call each other ¨dicks¨? I hope I missed your point because that doesn't make any sense.
Best 1st post I've seen in a while.
GrizzleBoy
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To all the guys doing the "eeeh, what's the problem" dance.
That's your daughter on stage. Being publicly humiliated over some trivial bs to make the bully look good, and advanced on by the same bully humiliating her.
Does it still not matter to you?
That's your daughter on stage. Being publicly humiliated over some trivial bs to make the bully look good, and advanced on by the same bully humiliating her.
Does it still not matter to you?
Don't you dare bring The Killers into this madness!
valkillmore
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Not only that, but it surfaces on the same day the FBI reopen's it's investigation of Crooked Shillary's email server investigation. I can almost hear the words leaving his mouth already.
Glass Shark
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Making crude jokes at the expense of a woman on stage in front of hundreds (thousands?) of people. Calling out that woman in front of a crowd to shame her. Insisting that she come on stage to shame her. Comparing her to other women to shame her. Saying she's inferior to other women to shame her. Threatening to call her "not so bright" to shame her. Grabbing and kissing her without her permission when she's clearly uncomfortable.
It's just banter tho
I always thought it was sort of sad, if not slightly offensive, that some people out there only have a chance of being empathetic and understanding by picturing the girl/woman in question being "their daughter, mother, sister", etc.
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He is a goddamned petty, dominance-obsessed asshole.
"Yeah, ha, ha, you didn't show me the proper deference, so IF I was going to humiliate you in front of a huge crowd, which I won't, but IF I did, I'd do it exactly like this! But hey, I was only joking, ha ha. Now here's a joke about how I had sex with you and you loved it."
Uncomfortable like his Al Smith dinner speech. He is so sad.
"Yeah, ha, ha, you didn't show me the proper deference, so IF I was going to humiliate you in front of a huge crowd, which I won't, but IF I did, I'd do it exactly like this! But hey, I was only joking, ha ha. Now here's a joke about how I had sex with you and you loved it."
Uncomfortable like his Al Smith dinner speech. He is so sad.
BrutishMrFish
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The point is that he called Ted Cruz a pussy in such a way that his supporters could say "He didn't really call Ted Cruz a pussy."
It's the same way he called the person in the new video stupid. Sometimes he veils his insults.
So everyone in europe is a rapist? Or is it just rape over there?
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Vilix
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I don't disagree. If it was anyone else it would be a crude remark from a dirty old man. But, this can't be from someone running for public office no matter which office it is.
Edit: Actually, it's highly inappropriate no matter the situation.
Oh okay, thank you.
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thepotatoman
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The important part isn't the insult itself, it's the framing of the insult. He's using that same framing here. He's clearly insulting that woman, even if the framing is him saying he's not.
ClosingADoor
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Pulling someone on stage in front of an audience of thousands to tell her she should have been there to introduce him. Awful behavior, no matter if he "jokes" or not. Totally unnecessary and clearly not something you would like to happen to you.
ElectricBlanketFire
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He wasn't greeting her. He was kicking her off the stage after humiliating her during a corporate speech.
What if a person in Europe doesn't want the greeting.
No shit, he was in front an entire audience. He still did a lot of creepy things, which actually makes it worse.
Count Dookkake
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Make Europe Greet Again
A Link to the Past
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If you kissed someone on the cheek without consent involved, that's assault.
TBH, you'd look pretty weird, but there are very clear social contexts when you greet people like that. You wouldn't do it in an event like this.
You also certainly don't do it forcefully, it is definitely the case of "you know it when you see it".
chicko1983
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You can't just kiss any women you see on the cheek.
If they don't want to be kissed, you don't kiss them.
It might not be assault in the eyes of the law, buts it harassment at the least.
I've never met that person.
ClosingADoor
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You mostly just read the mood and it depends on your relation with the other. When you don't know someone, you give a handshake. If you met a few times and are friendly to each other, you give a kiss on the cheek. At least, that's how I see it.
Don't know the relationship between the woman in the video and Trump, but the whole situation going before it makes it more inappropriate then it otherwise would have been.
GrizzleBoy
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What are you even doing?
Rape culture doesn't only explicitly refer to actual rape you know...
I guess, I don't know. All I know is that Donald "Satan" Trump is a rapist misogynist fucking pirate from the Himalayas
xDUMPWEEDx
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You're right.
But how are we to know whether consent wasn't given? These two clearly have known each other before and worked together. We don't know how close they are and how they greet each other?
Everyone is assuming that she didn't want a kiss because she turned her head. Does that mean if she hadn't turned her head that she did want the kiss? NO!
People jump to conclusions. And they do it simply because they don't like Trump. That's my issue here.
He's pointing out that a kiss on the cheek is an extremely common greeting in Europe. In Italy you kiss complete strangers on the cheek. Guys kiss guys on the cheek. Nobody goes crazy.
Well it is used on greetings and goodbyes. I can totally understand criticism on the jokes, but the kiss on the cheek part wasn't weird (MAYBE the way he grabbed her back).
Hell even in some asymmetrical relationships (like with doctors) you usually will say goodbye with a kiss in the cheek (South america).
ElectricBlanketFire
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Your issue is people jumping to conclusions based on Trump's self-admitted history of sexually assaulting women?
A Link to the Past
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People jump to a conclusion that "man accused by a dozen women of forcing himself on them was forcing himself on a woman in a video." Donald Trump is not a man who has earned assumptions of good faith.
Gordon Shumway
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And this is the problem with people.
Innocent before proven guilty is clearly not true.
I guess people who have driven drunk in the past are immediately assumed to be intoxicated when getting into a fender bender right?
You want to claim he assaulted this woman? Fine. But you're no more right than I am until this woman comes forward and says the kiss was not consensual.
I'm curious, if she did come forward and say, "we would always greet each other with a kiss, it wasn't an issue for me", then what?
ElectricBlanketFire
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What a strange hill you're choosing to die on.
This is why victims of sexual assault are reluctant to come forward.
Everything else he did in the video would still be pretty fucked up though. And lol at trying to compare drunk driving with a presidential candidate that literally says he grabs women by the pussy.
This is a really dumb thing to be insistent on defending, but sure, do you lol
Fuckin nailed it.
It was more of a formal kiss on the cheek than anything else. Maybe that is something she does?
His words are worth paying attention to more than his actions though. He literally insinuated that he had sex with her with the "she came" joke and blew it off as a joke. I'm sure that's locker room talk in Australia.
His words are worth paying attention to more than his actions though. He literally insinuated that he had sex with her with the "she came" joke and blew it off as a joke. I'm sure that's locker room talk in Australia.
Yup. Most of this thread is an example as to why even the thought of telling anyone about abuse is traumatic in and of itself for most women.
But in this case no one even came forward. It's not crazy to want to hear what the alleged victim actually has to say about it.
I find it rather strange to even turn this into a hill and not to focus on the comments he made on stage
BrutishMrFish
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If they had a history of driving drunk and bragging about it the way Trump has a history of sexually assaulting women and bragging about it, then yes, that would be a fair assumption to make.
GrizzleBoy
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Bro, throwing your arms in front of you and turning your head COULD be a sign of consent.
WE DONT KNOW.
Etcetc
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Poor Donald. I'm sure we don't have a good gauge of his character at this point. We just need more information. I'm sure he's a nice guy, deep down.
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This is like when we had a thread on YouTube "social experiment" creeps who violate women's personal space, and posters claimed the women liked it because they were trying to laugh it off.
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This is like when we had a thread on YouTube "social experiment" creeps who violate women's personal space, and posters claimed the women liked it because they were trying to laugh it off.
Then you admit you're in favour of falsely convicting people?
A Link to the Past
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Seriously lol.
Okay, we're being trolled. There is no way that you are making this post as a legitimate poster when you're actually making this post. We're not a court of law lol
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