Not really.
Yeah I'm wondering why I'm even bothering, but it's kind of fun in a weird way.
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Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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Not really.
Yeah I'm wondering why I'm even bothering, but it's kind of fun in a weird way.
Here's what's not getting through:
1080p/60fps is the standard the GAMERS WANT.
Doesn't matter what the media or publishers or Sony/Microsoft want.
It's what the CUSTOMERS WANT.
It's 2013. 1080p/60fps should ALREADY BE STANDARD.
It does matter because it's more immersive and immersion is just as important to gameplay as art and style and story and features are.
It's what most of us on this forum seem to want, but how do you know what all the customers want?
What other PS4 games are actually hitting 1080P/60fps "comfortably"? It seems like plenty of developers are willing to compromise on framerate, if not resolution.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
DmC reboot from ign http://www.ign.com/games/dmc/xbox-360-86431
PS3 got 8.5 and 360 version got 8.9.
BruiserBear
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So 1080p/60fps is an unreasonable goal because only the PS4 can achieve it. Okaaaaay.
The doge told me. Such graphics. Many 1080p
And this is coming from the guy who lost his shit on twitter because he couldn't get test kits as soon as he wanted to.
FonkyByNature
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Upresed version of 1080p ? Lol come on Sessler, i used to love you but you're clearly sounding like a fanboy, game journalism these days... I'm seriously done with his shows, unless Tara Long is in it...
pieatorium
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they were one of the loudest "BUT SONY IS DOING IT TOO" shouters during the drm stuff, openly mocking the no drm hashtag
Brad, the tech guy, was asking not to care about any differences in the systems way back at e3 before any of this resolution business was even hinted
Those gamers shouldnt be gaming on consoles then. They're expecting too much from 300-500 dollar consoles if they think everything should by 1080p 60fps.
I think my main problem with the way journalists handled this whole thing is that they keep presenting their opinions like it's fact. They never preface the whole "the difference between 1080p and 720p doesn't matter" thing with "in my opinion". They always just say it like it's fact.
What's next? Are they going to say the difference between 60fps and 30fps doesn't matter when a game can't hit that on one platform?
What's next? Are they going to say the difference between 60fps and 30fps doesn't matter when a game can't hit that on one platform?
Colonel Nasty
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Then why didn't you own an xbox? Those games looked better than PS2. I just don't understand how people could be so up in arms about a version of a game they aren't even going to play. If anyone should be upset, it's xbone only owners.
Calling it a 'conspiracy' is kind of a strawman.
People aren't saying that all gaming journalists meet with MS representatives in a dark basement and work this out.
It's about a very obvious bias for whatever reasons, depending on what you think and who you believe, such as fear of being blacklisted, unprofessionalism and being swayed by gifts like free subscriptions, personal preference after an entire generation of the 360 having better multi-plats for the most part (again, being unprofessional), trying to retain strong ties with MS, etc.
You think after all those articles wherein tech and gaming sites suddenly decide that tech differences are unimportant, that there is no bias? Even though they were important for an entire generation, and they still are very important when comparing other gadgets, but no, in this case you must be a 'pixel-counting fanboy' if you care about it?
After all the articles about some magical balance being more important than a ~50% more powerful GPU and faster RAM?
You find it objective 'journalism' that this guy won't even say 720p and has to make up terms for upscaled 1080p?
I wonder if ign will dare do this with xbox version of call of duty.
Beer Monkey
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I wish NFS: Rivals had targeted 720p/60 instead of 1080p/30.
I'm starting to get concerned that resolution is going to take priority over framerate this gen. 1080p is great but 60fps is more important.
I'm starting to get concerned that resolution is going to take priority over framerate this gen. 1080p is great but 60fps is more important.
"The games are what matters" seems like empty rhetoric to me.
I mean no shit they are, that doesn't have much to do with anything though, neither PS4 nor Xbox One are guaranteed to have a particularly superior line up, so we have to consider that an even ground for now.
However the console that costs 100$ more, having less power and a worse IQ, is something we can already attest.
More over, i seriously refuse to acknowledge the "just 720p is not a big deal", since as a PC gamer (for the last 2 years or so, the PC has been my main platform) i can definitely tell the difference between 720 and 1080, and not only 720p doesn't look good but actually makes some of the finer improvements we are, allegedly, going to get, not that relevant, since you won't be able to see details as well.
I mean no shit they are, that doesn't have much to do with anything though, neither PS4 nor Xbox One are guaranteed to have a particularly superior line up, so we have to consider that an even ground for now.
However the console that costs 100$ more, having less power and a worse IQ, is something we can already attest.
More over, i seriously refuse to acknowledge the "just 720p is not a big deal", since as a PC gamer (for the last 2 years or so, the PC has been my main platform) i can definitely tell the difference between 720 and 1080, and not only 720p doesn't look good but actually makes some of the finer improvements we are, allegedly, going to get, not that relevant, since you won't be able to see details as well.
I know you guys remember this gif , this is the first image that comes to my head when gaming journalism is mentioned.
baphomet
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I know you guys remember this gif , this is the first image that comes to my head when gaming journalism is mentioned.
And the fact that no one trusts any of these pr mouthpieces is still going right over their fucking heads.
plagiarize
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name a game that 1080p and 60 fps wouldn't make better.
I can just as misleadingly say 'more system resources to AI and physics doesn't make a game better'. It's as true.
toddhunter
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Isn't that exactly what I said? (with less capitals).
How many times this year alone has the press come out heavily on the opposite side of the customers on an issue? DRM and Sim City Online both immediately spring to mind.
Erm, obviously they are not if many of the launch titles are anything to go by, unless you're an Xbox One owner that is. And no, a lot of console gamers don't go PC gaming for cost, convenience and value proposition reasons (trade in and resale).
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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1080p is a marketing gimmick? Now I've seen everything.
Gaming needed a Fox News. Looks like everyone has decided to be one.
Gaming needed a Fox News. Looks like everyone has decided to be one.
Here's what's not getting through:
1080p/60fps is the standard the GAMERS WANT.
Doesn't matter what the media or publishers or Sony/Microsoft want.
It's what the CUSTOMERS WANT.
It's 2013. 1080p/60fps should ALREADY BE STANDARD.
It does matter because it's more immersive and immersion is just as important to gameplay as art and style and story and features are.
What percentage of people who own a current gen console post on message boards about video games or visit video game news sites?
Of that percentage, what percentage even knows there is going to be a significant difference in the upcoming gen and/or understand the facts of the difference without having someone explicitly explain it to them.
If that number makes up say, like 70% of the customer base then your "GAMERS WANT" stuff is not the case.
Totally off topic but yes....yes she is, and she looks even better in 1080p
She looks even better in person. ;)
NoirVisage
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Well said broski,very well said
I know you guys remember this gif , this is the first image that comes to my head when gaming journalism is mentioned.
Because game reviewers shouldn't love or look forward to games? Which other entertainment media do you hold to that unfair standard?
Of course they are. Sony's big FPS release built from the ground up for the PS4 can't even do 60fps locked. BF4 needed to drop to 900p. If you want guaranteed 1080p 60FPS, you don't buy a console. It's an unrealistic expectation at this point.
It's only going to get worse from here. Half of the gaming outlets want to pretend there's some sort of balance going on here, that these systems have fucked up equally or both not fucked up at all. it's getting more and more tiresome to even have to combat these ridiculous talking points.
Did you go 360 over PS3?
the difference between 360/ps3 resolution difference is no way close to what the difference is right now.
Cod : 125%
Bf4: 56%
Dude it's not even close to same situation.
Neverhood?
SmoothRunningGun
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Make a new thread debunking all the talking points that have been raised in the last few months. It would be entertaining.
Did you ever see Siskel and Ebert dance in front of a movie theater whenever an anticipated release came out? Game Journalists are jokes and that's why other forms of media laugh at them.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Well, anyone who knew a shit about anything knew that 1080p/60fps for a was fucking pipe dream of a standard.
That the PS4 will hit that at any decent rate will be amazing. It's like people forgot the discussions from last year about NextGen and resolution and FPS.
That the PS4 will hit that at any decent rate will be amazing. It's like people forgot the discussions from last year about NextGen and resolution and FPS.
Unknown One
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There are little to none of those owners at the moment. It'll be their fault for being mad because with a little research they can find out what they are hopping into.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Say whatever you want about the other elements of this, but the part that stands out to me the most is labeling us "fanboys" in a way because we think resolution is important. A fanboy is a zealot who doesn't admit to negative things about "his" console. I'm talking about the media backlash as a whole and not specifically Adam here. We are just passionate fans (big difference).
It is just a way of writing us off as if we don't matter. I'll never get over that attitude. I just don't see why anyone would feel the need to get on a high horse like that over this issue. If the matter had been handled more respectfully, I don't think as much anger would be present in the discussion. Now that anger is going to be present no matter who else decides to chime in regardless of how they talk about it. This has not been good for the community as a whole and that lays at the feet of those other than those who dwell on this forum. Pretending we are something to be laughed at and ignored isn't smart.
It is just a way of writing us off as if we don't matter. I'll never get over that attitude. I just don't see why anyone would feel the need to get on a high horse like that over this issue. If the matter had been handled more respectfully, I don't think as much anger would be present in the discussion. Now that anger is going to be present no matter who else decides to chime in regardless of how they talk about it. This has not been good for the community as a whole and that lays at the feet of those other than those who dwell on this forum. Pretending we are something to be laughed at and ignored isn't smart.
Outside of the occasional bombcast/quicklook on giantbomb i've really tuned out most of the gaming media. So most of the coverage of "resolution-gate" hasn't really bothered me that much.
...But it's sad to see what Sessler has become, i really thought he was one of the good ones. The X1 is $100 more expensive with the objectively weaker console with inferior versions of multi-platform games and it's absolutely shameful to just gloss over that fact. Especially considering the ps3 was absolutely eviscerated last gen because of almost the same exact thing.
...But it's sad to see what Sessler has become, i really thought he was one of the good ones. The X1 is $100 more expensive with the objectively weaker console with inferior versions of multi-platform games and it's absolutely shameful to just gloss over that fact. Especially considering the ps3 was absolutely eviscerated last gen because of almost the same exact thing.
I guess I have a hard time seeing these as biases from sources like Sessler and GB- I take them at their word when they say that THEY (as in their personal opinion) don't see the resolution differences as a big deal.
I especially think this since the 2 boxes haven't even come out yet. I'm fairly certain that if the PS4 is more powerful in a noticeable way at launch (which is what I think might happen for a few games), it will come out after they've actually played the games.
Pop-O-Matic
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We'd probably have hit next-next gen by the time Amir0x finishes.
Zombie James
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What a bizarre argument. Everywhere you look 720p is getting left behind and a lot of it is because that's what people want. It doesn't cut it for desktop monitors anymore, it doesn't cut it for television sets, laptops, tablets, and, fuck, even phones are moving beyond 720p. Why should videogames be any different? We've already had an eight-year generation of mostly 720p gaming and it's time to move forward (or at least try to).
It would make every game better, if games could also keep all the eye candy. But it's also not possible to have a game like TLOU run at 60/1080p and look as good as it does on the PS3 without having better hardware. Trade offs are the name of the game when it comes to consoles.
I owned both consoles but bought most of my multplatform games on the 360. No reason to buy the worse version of games if you have both consoles unless you don't have Live or something.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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the amount of collective denial is disturbing sometimes.
i REALLY wonder if PS3 hadn't been $600 if they would have been defended the same way for some of their boneheaded shit. the media sure was quick to turn on Sony as soon as that price was announced.
CassidyIzABeast
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So is Sessler being inconsistent vs what he said last gen or are we writing off what he said because he isn't shitting all over Microsoft?
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