Orniletter
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OoT's achievements and what it brought to the table went well beyond "cutting edge technology". It invented the lock on system for one.
There were almost none of those puzzles in SS.
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Aonuma on Zelda Wii U: "I think well be able to make something new like OoT was."
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OoT's achievements and what it brought to the table went well beyond "cutting edge technology". It invented the lock on system for one.
There were almost none of those puzzles in SS.
New is good, I just hope they don't think open world or Ubisoft games are new. Or good for that matter.
Zelda Wii U is California Maki then.
TDLink
Member
Honestly I'd be fine with this stuff in Zelda as long as it is on the side and not mandatory. Currently Zelda's side stuff is practically nonexistent. Not counting Majora's Mask for obvious reasons, there's typically 5 or less "major" side quests, none of which are especially long. After that you're exploring the world and finding empty caves filled with heart pieces and Rupees. There needs to be more to the side stuff.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Yeah it sounds similar to how he was talking two years ago, but it's probably nothing to worry about.
Yep, exactly. If it's significantly better on NX, I know I will.
Andyliini
Member
This time with faces intact.
FunkyDealer
Banned
We can have both. Or a good mix. There has to be enough to fill a reasonably long game. I don't want just a couple great puzzles in a 30+ hours game. Almost one per two hours sounds about right. So, say about 12 in 30 hours.
Good to hear.
Thinking about it, that was more fans' "this time it Will finally surpass OOT!" phase of the Zelda cycle.
Jonneh3003
Banned
The only good non linear open world game I've played is the original Zelda, every other attempt at open world design has resulted in developers making huge environments and then throwing in poorly designed quests. I think Zelda U could be the game to push open world design, make it more than an NPC telling you to go from point A to point B, have a fun sense of progression and core design to the open world. In that respect Zelda U could certainly be ground breaking.
The Witcher 3 and Skyrim are of course enjoyable adventures but their objectives in the open world are poorly designed in my opinion.
The Witcher 3 and Skyrim are of course enjoyable adventures but their objectives in the open world are poorly designed in my opinion.
Clustering is the best way to go.
I really missed the sense of progression and ascending difficulty in ALBW.
Coffee Dog
Banned
It's an open world game, Aonuma. That isn't just new, it's beaten to death.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Game is still in development?!!
Gotta say Zelda might be one of only games that is never rushed out before it's literally perfect (in the eyes of its creators at least)
Gotta say Zelda might be one of only games that is never rushed out before it's literally perfect (in the eyes of its creators at least)
Jonneh3003
Banned
Yeah we saw it back in November. Zelda U's pretty much been publicly known since the Wii U's announcement in 2011, officially since The Wind Waker HD's announcement in 2013. I'm glad they delayed it from its 2015 release, make it as perfect as possible.
Miyamoto about Wind Waker:
"At the end of the production we fought against the clock and there were parts that I was forced to approve even though it didn't feel complete...I apologise that we didn't fix the triforce hunt at the end of the game. It was slow and dull."
Cow Mengde
Banned
Western flavor? So lots of padding, bad combat, unstable frame rates, almost no thought into level design, and glitches up the ass?
Theanine3D
Member
The last time the 3D games did something really different was Majora's Mask, with its real time clock.
I hope Zelda U brings back some of what made MM so great. A world that feels alive would be nice. No point in making an enormous overworld if it's just going to be empty and devoid of life.
I hope Zelda U brings back some of what made MM so great. A world that feels alive would be nice. No point in making an enormous overworld if it's just going to be empty and devoid of life.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Like others are saying, I also hope the team isn't taking the wrong lessons from games people grew tired of several years ago.
But I don't think that's the case. Zelda games have been extremely same-y for a very long time. The formula is so exact that Zelda games have suffered for it. Creating a sense of adventure is really hard when it feels like the same adventure you have done every five years since 1996.
I think Zelda U is just poised to free itself from the formula and allow itself to be experimental again.
But I don't think that's the case. Zelda games have been extremely same-y for a very long time. The formula is so exact that Zelda games have suffered for it. Creating a sense of adventure is really hard when it feels like the same adventure you have done every five years since 1996.
I think Zelda U is just poised to free itself from the formula and allow itself to be experimental again.
Davey Cakes
Member
You really can't blame them for trying a western approach, seeing as western open world games are successful and generally lauded by the gaming community.
I just hope the teams don't bite off more than they can chew. If the open world is boring because they couldn't come up with enough content, I will be SO disappointed.
I just hope the teams don't bite off more than they can chew. If the open world is boring because they couldn't come up with enough content, I will be SO disappointed.
I kinda hope for a loot system for the weapons.
It was already there in TWW and SS but you can't keep the weapons for more then a room :/
Also upgrade system is in SS too, and both are in Hyrule Warriors.
This allows for using all the stuff you collect, and spend more rupees. I'm OK with this.
I honestly can't think of a triple A title that advertises itself as an "open world" in the past several years who's world was "devoid of life", I don't understand why people vocalize this as a worry, I think developers are smart enough to know that a world has to have "stuff" in it.
MarkMclovin
Member
Make it Skirim style open world with a few usual well designed dungeons and I'll come everywhere.
Eh. It's possible. Unlikely, but possible. You still see games coming out every year that are so influential that dozens of other games copy aspects of that game. All they need to do (hahahah) is come up with a really fun open world game system that hasn't been done before that works really well that other devs want to emulate. There are still tons of things that haven't been done in a large open world. One recent open world innovation that was really good (but hasn't been emulated YET) was the nemesis system in shadow of mordor.
I think if zelda U can innovate in the open world space and it's a good enough idea, then it could definitely have an OoT-like impact of other devs using Zelda U as a gold standard for open world adventure games. Is it likely to happen? I doubt it, but it's not impossible. Tech has nothing to do with it.
Hard to say. I mean, I don't think it'll have western influences aesthetically, but the statement opens up the possibility that he's taking western game design into account, which would be like rice to potatoes, gameplay-wise, for zelda. Obviously he just means it'll be a sidestep to stuff he hasn't done before in zelda, but who's to say that sidestep isn't western-influenced either? I mean, I definitely don't think he's making zelda skyrim or that it'll be anything like a western adventure/rpg.
Jonneh3003
Banned
ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY'RE MAKING ZELDA INTO A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER?!
Aonuma talks about making something new and surprise players= Far Cry meets Skyrim confirmed. Gotta love the overreactions. As he mentioned before, they're going for a unique approach in open world design and gameplay, so i'm not sure where this is coming from.
The western flavor can easily refer to subquest, and again, he already said that the game will feature so many of them that you'll almost forget to progress in the main quest. Which is normal, what's the point of having a giant world if you have nothing to do in it?
The western flavor can easily refer to subquest, and again, he already said that the game will feature so many of them that you'll almost forget to progress in the main quest. Which is normal, what's the point of having a giant world if you have nothing to do in it?
Yeah, not only i doubt it, but i also don't see how exactly these two things are connected.
Spieler Eins
Member
,,Aonuma says the same thing he always says before the next Zelda comes out."
DownGrader
Member
They are not. Kotaku just attached links to their previous reports for some reference.
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Well, I'm ready for something new! And by something new, I don't mean the same stuff every other action adventure game is already doing. I want a really good, refreshing action/puzzle adventure game that still somehow feels like a Zelda game. It can be hard to combine better pacing (much needed from the last 3D entry) and freedom of exploration. I'm really curious about what they eventually come up with, how it'll resonate with me personally, and how it'll be generally (lol) received.
I'm hoping for a re-imagination of the progress-by-items system. I think the franchise could do with a soft reboot here tbh. I don't necessarily think the renting system from ALBW is the way to go. I'm not sure what is the way to go, haha. I just hope it'll be fun.
I'll be very surprised if they manage to come up with anything as ground breaking as Ocarina of Time was again though.
I'm hoping for a re-imagination of the progress-by-items system. I think the franchise could do with a soft reboot here tbh. I don't necessarily think the renting system from ALBW is the way to go. I'm not sure what is the way to go, haha. I just hope it'll be fun.
I'll be very surprised if they manage to come up with anything as ground breaking as Ocarina of Time was again though.
I like potatoes and rice.
Yeah, i think they Will surely take inspiration from those western elements but they Will actually be japanese revised.
A bit like ,idk, Dragon's Dogma which is western inspired but you can easily see it's made by a japanese team.
It could mean that instead of having recognizable characters doing their thing in towns and cities, we will now have generic crowds, AC like.
I may be a bit cinic but I don't see how they can innovate after all these years of 3d action games. OoT could innovate because it was the first episode set in a 3d world, but now?
EDIT: beaten by Piers like a Deku Scrub.
They already had that in TP. Hyrule Castle town has generic characters running around to simply represent the bustle of a city
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Western food? Mashed potatoes and Salisbury steak. I'm not so sure about this...
Shuggananas
Banned
DownGrader
Member
You could talk to any of them (and their dialogues were genuinely interesting). In TP, you can't even Z-target 80% of people, since they are dummy NPCs.
How can you take a simile literally?
Shuggananas
Banned
Some NPCs in OOT can't be talked to
And half of the ones you could talk to had shit dialogue lol
lol
Jonneh3003
Banned
Hyrule Warriors had some outstanding cut scenes and I believe Aonuma once said he desired to top them with Zelda U.