A better analogy would be if Best buy was renting floor space to Samsung AND taking 30% of everything that Samsung sells in the floor space they occupy. No shop with an alternative would subscribe to that kind of business and the reason why Epic has no alternative is the unfair competition practices of Apple. This is why this is a Sherman act violation case.Analogy...
Just imagine if a company like Samsung wanted a physical space in a brick and mortar store like Best Buy. Now Best Buy offers companies area within their store for a price to keep that area. other companies like Apple and Google agree to pay to keep that space but Samsung, because they have a hype new phone and loyal fans, think they don't need to pay, or instead try to bypass Best Buy getting any of the sale while being in their store because they feel that Best Buy is asking for too much.
So am actually on the side of Apple in this one, greedy, Steve Job turning in his grave bc Apple pen, Apple. Down goes Epic
”"The 70% / 30% split was a breakthrough more than a decade ago with the advent of Steam, the Apple App Store, and Google Play,” he said. “But today, digital software stores have grown into a $25,000,000,000+ business worldwide across all platforms, yet the economies of scale have not benefited developers. In our analysis, stores are marking up their costs 300% to 400%. We simply aim to give developers a better deal.
yup if Epic win then it'll be a huge result but doesn't mean i need to like them. they aren't doing this for us they are doing it to try make more money in the long term. i know they are a business out to make money but let's not pretend they are on our side.As usual neogaf never looks at the bigger picture.
What epic is doing is great because if they win, it means money more for developers who have apps in the apple app store. Then google, Sony, Microsoft etc will have to follow suit.
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As usual neogaf never looks at the bigger picture.
What epic is doing is great because if they win, it means money more for developers who have apps in the apple app store. Then google, Sony, Microsoft etc will have to follow suit.
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I haven't followed this too closely but they got clapped by the Google store as well, right? I know you can sideload on Android but not everyone is that smart.Kids who want to play Fortnite switching to Android, I'd imagine. Additionally, I honestly feel like Epic's strategy of actively trying to poison kids against Apple might work.
Netflix doesn’t offer In App subscriptions on ios. You simply login with your login credentials and you can view your shows/movies. Netflix doesn’t pay apple anything because of that, Apple gets 0%.Why i think Apple should loose this case is because they dont allow competitive pricing.
If your netflix and you are offering a subscription through their IOS App they are not allowed to price that differently from somewhere else.
So if netflix on there website costs 10 dollars per month, they are not allowed to ask 13 dollars on the IOS App because apple takes 30%. They need to take the hit. And because they are monopoly this is as illegal as fuck.
What a wally. Yeah he's really sticking it to Apple, great one Tim. Advertise the competition, maybe you will get a fractionally bigger cut of a much smaller slice. Idiot.
This is desperate, you can see he takes it personally... that's exactly type of person you wouldn't want fronting your company. Not sure what proportion of Fortnite players are on iOS but I'd love to see them crash and burn spectacularly. Fortnie isn't going to be popular forever and if I was a shareholder I'd be asking for his head. This could spell the beginning of the end for their cash cow.
Thats right you are. Sideload them Tencent-China apps on to your phone that you probably do your banking on.glad im not stuck on a platform where side loading is impossible.
As usual neogaf never looks at the bigger picture.
What epic is doing is great because if they win, it means money more for developers who have apps in the apple app store. Then google, Sony, Microsoft etc will have to follow suit.
”
As usual neogaf never looks at the bigger picture.
What epic is doing is great because if they win, it means money more for developers who have apps in the apple app store. Then google, Sony, Microsoft etc will have to follow suit.
”
Feel free to explain how lower developer fees for games solf through Epic Games Store have benefited me a customer.
Why i think Apple should loose this case is because they dont allow competitive pricing.
If your netflix and you are offering a subscription through their IOS App they are not allowed to price that differently from somewhere else.
So if netflix on there website costs 10 dollars per month, they are not allowed to ask 13 dollars on the IOS App because apple takes 30%. They need to take the hit. And because they are monopoly this is as illegal as fuck.
Honestly.. another look at this:
Tim owns the majority of a privately funded company; he is likely a billionaire, or could be from it. The fact he will crash their revenue like this, do things like promote PubG (who, yes, uses Unreal, but it's still nowhere close to the revenue they get from Fortnite)... indicates he actually might really believe in this cause. So does his 12% cut thing, there's actually payment processing options that charge more than 12% even (and Epic charges the customer, but it indicates a willingness to have an incredibly low margin compared to competition.)
I think he's a windbag, and EGS sucks.. but playing a bit of reverse devil's advocate, it's hard not to at least suspect he really does believe in a "cause" and isn't just out for financial gain.
Either that or he's an idiot who thinks this will financially work out in the end and is just taking some smart risk.
Yeah and he rallied against Windows Store, really on behalf of Steam, when Windows 8 I think it was came out.. way before he was ever in a position to ever start a store of his own.I don't think there is any doubt Sweeney believes in this, considering he burned up a ton of goodwill among his old boomer PC fans with the EGS shit.
That is a very small picture imo.As usual neogaf never looks at the bigger picture.
What epic is doing is great because if they win, it means money more for developers who have apps in the apple app store. Then google, Sony, Microsoft etc will have to follow suit.
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That is a very small picture imo.
He hasn't had PC fans since shitting on PC as a platform when getting moneyhatted by Xbox. The EGS shit is just a continuation except the financial interest is now generated by himself rather than given by MS.I don't think there is any doubt Sweeney believes in this, considering he burned up a ton of goodwill among his old boomer PC fans with the EGS shit.
Nah it is easy.Your in the console war business it might be difficult to grasp.
This is increasingly disastrous for Epic, bad for Fortnite's player base, bad for iOS developers, and irrelevant to Apple.
Sweeney has little to no leverage against Apple and stands no chance in court. The sooner he capitulates and moves past this the better.
I still think there's a bigger plan in the works and these stunts are meant to rile up the masses to shout for change as they did to Valve before announcing the Epic store as a saving grave to the lack of curation and that horrible 30% split.
Yeah, that would presumably be the reason for soldiering on. I don’t see it working out in Epic’s favor, but we’ll see what Sweeney has up his sleeve. So far, e.g. the tweet above, it doesn’t impress.
More so than sony making ps5 exclusive games?!THEY DID IT! Ladies and Gentlemen...........this is what anti-consumer REALLY looks like.
“MarketWatch” said:The exclusion of all Epic titles is sure to further puncture sales for the game maker, which started with the expulsion of “Fortnite.” That game has racked up just $19.3 million of in-app spending through the App Store and Google Play combined in August, compared with $52.5 million in July and $58.3 million in June.
The top 5 Japanese mobile games each grossed over $1 billion yearly in 2019.This isn’t going to go well for Epic. I guess they really are thinking they are focusing on the endgame.
That said, holy fuck - people spent over $50 million on Fortnite each month on mobile in June and July!?
Thats right you are. Sideload them Tencent-China apps on to your phone that you probably do your banking on.
Nothing bad could ever happen.
Simple nutd and bolts of it is people mumming "bbut what about those rules that Apple made up" weeks after the discussion had startedI can understand people wanting to side with Epic to an extent, it would likely lead to a more consumer friendly marketplace.
But the simple nuts and bolts of it is, Epic broke Apple’s T & C’s, it’s just that black and white. They aren’t going to win, it’s simple legalities.
What you think is the bigger picture isn’t right though.It's really unfortunate to see that so many people don't get the bigger picture.