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Arcade to home ports that are better than the coin-op originals
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xaeroxcore
Banned
Sega Rally 2
Mortal Kombat 4
Star Wars: Episode 1 Racing
...Still no way to play arcade perfect ports, even with emulation
Mortal Kombat Gold is ahead of the original Arcade and have lotta of extras, incluiding newer characters.
Sega Rally 2
Mortal Kombat 4
Star Wars: Episode 1 Racing
...Still no way to play arcade perfect ports, even with emulation
Isnt SW Racer a completely different game? Arcade was done by Sega and never got a console port.
nkarafo
Member
Is it also graphically better?
Weltall Zero
Member
Wow, Turtles in Time and Soul Calibur were precisely the ones I was going to post. I got nothing now! :/
eso76
Member
Eh, great conversion but not really. Amiga had :
- Slightly higher resolution (but tall black bar for hud, so not fullscreen)
- LESS colors
- Fatter sprites (due to different aspect ratio).
- Parallax in the underwater level not present in the arcade (it's the same everywhere else, though).
- Better music.
Unfortunately, it also ran at 30fps, which most people (including journalists) back then didn't notice. Ah, we were so innocent back then, we didn't know better.
Game isn't anywhere near as smooth as the arcade and doesn't play as well.
Still a pretty great conversion.
Going off topic, but speaking of incredibly accurate (for the time, and in relative terms) conversions, i only recently (like, last week) learned that there's a Simpsons Arcade Game conversion on C64.
The fact they went as far as recreating the full intro just blows me away.
https://youtu.be/rf_AvN7GU6g
Turtles arcade isn't half bad either.
xaeroxcore
Banned
If you compare Test Drive or Ferrari to arcade Daytona 2, you can see Daytona 2 does a gratuitous "hey look at the polygons we can push!" including an unnecessary swinging pirate ship. So it may be just Dreamcast devs just being more clever with use of horsepower.
I wonder why AMD doesn't just make an arcade board with their APUs. Should be cheaper and more powerful than the Taito boards.
xaeroxcore
Banned
Daytona Usa 2 uses the resources availables of the Model 3 for show spectacularity. But it does not mean that it stages push more detail than DC. Msr and its realistic (for the time) stages proves it.
Daytona 2
https://youtu.be/4OOTZj7xSZM
Msr
https://youtu.be/V8RgMbS-PO8
Shikamaru Ninja
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Tecmo, the thread.
Ninja Gaiden and Rygar were god games on the NES. The arcade versions were just okay.
Ninja Gaiden and Rygar were god games on the NES. The arcade versions were just okay.
Here are some higher quality, 60FPS Daytona USA 2 videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSnO3e8SnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkuNeKNuk1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmBZwRk4MtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvqdCuM7RKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8TWP6-4MrA
MrCunningham
Member
Good comparison between Daytona USA 2 and Daytona USA 2001 on the Dreamcast:
https://youtu.be/BmJd4ZsNMeU?t=204
The track design is simaler, but Daytona USA 2 is pushing way more polygons on screen than Daytona USA 2001. The environments in the Daytona 2 track were crazy with the giant bio-dome encompassing the track. Though in all fairness, 2001 is an enhanced port of the original arcade game, so I don't think it is pushing the Dreamcast quite as hard.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
The US version was censored actually. Overall, it was an excellent port besides orem missing color and less enemies on screen.
My vote goes to Tekken Tag on PS2 and Soul Caliber on Dreamcast. Both were generational leaps over their arcade counterparts.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
The handling isn't anywhere near as good though. There were a lot of settings to tinker, but it never felt 1:1 to the arcade version.
Online-play was mostly miss and miss as well. Races had a 1 in 10 chance of actually finishing.
The new (music) tracks and remixes were great though.
One thing that I noticed is that the AI cars in 2001 look better than in USA 2. Granted it practically requires pausing the video to see this, but the difference is pretty stark.
It could be an emulation issue though.
MrCunningham
Member
To be honest, the DC controls are actually pretty arcade accurate if you are playing the game with a racing wheel. The analogue stick controls were too twitchy though. It was the way they set up the turn radius with the analogue stick.
Yeah there might be some emulation issues in the Daytona 2 portion of that video. But the player car is made out of more polys, you can see the interior in Daytona 2. Though one interesting thing to note about the Dreamcast port is that it has better draw distances than the later Xbox 360/ PS3 home ports.
This is not a great video, but take a look at Seaside Street for the Dreamcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge9S5CKVmM
Now here is the 360 XBLA enhanced port of the original arcade game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-5mbVrHao
Obviously Daytona 2001 was built from the ground up for the DC, while the XBLA/PSN versions were ports or the original game. So the pop in may be a leftover quirk. But I always thought it was neat.
AzureSkies
Member
Tekken Tag Tournament on PS2
The first time I ever saw Tekken Tag in an arcade (in about 2004), I was really surprised at how poor the graphics were versus the PS2 version.
Emperor Bohe
Member
MK Gold had more characters and was graphically on par with the arcade version, but damn MK Gold is soooo broken that I'm tempted to say that it's worse. On paper MK Gold is better, but I wouldn't disagree with anyone that prefers the arcade version.
Cadash is a better game on the TurboGrafx-16 than it is in the arcade. For starters, it is balanced appropriately. Removing the timer also gives the game a more adventurous feel and I think is an improvement. It was also adjusted to make the two player experience better. You can revive a partner by going back to town now. It is an awesome game.
On a more subjective note, I love the colours used in the TG-16 version. Also, despite the visuals being simplified, I think they look cleaner. However, I am sure some people will think that the arcade version still looks better, which is totally fair. I also think the music is better in the TG-16 version, but once again, that is super subjective.
So yeah, the arcade version is definitely technically more competent, I just find the TG-16 version to be the better game.
On a more subjective note, I love the colours used in the TG-16 version. Also, despite the visuals being simplified, I think they look cleaner. However, I am sure some people will think that the arcade version still looks better, which is totally fair. I also think the music is better in the TG-16 version, but once again, that is super subjective.
So yeah, the arcade version is definitely technically more competent, I just find the TG-16 version to be the better game.
buttery fistful
Member
NFL Blitz
Thank you for reminding me to play this again. I really need to hook up the ol' TG-16 and revisit some of its gems, including Cadash.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The PC port was arcade perfect, and then they inexplicably fumbled the ball with bad controller support.
It can do 5K. I think even more.
Bionic Commando was the first that comes to mind. Arcade game is ass, NES game is a classic.
Crazy Taxi DC is a good one, too. One could say the controller's not as immersive as the arcade's wheel setup, but using controller buttons for Crazy Boosts and Drifts for high score runs is way more feasible than in the arcade, where you'd have to outright murder an arcade cab's manual shifter for high-level play. Plus it gave a whole new second city layout to play around in (with that oh-so-gratifying open drawbridge jump) and the Crazy Box challenges.
Crazy Taxi DC is a good one, too. One could say the controller's not as immersive as the arcade's wheel setup, but using controller buttons for Crazy Boosts and Drifts for high score runs is way more feasible than in the arcade, where you'd have to outright murder an arcade cab's manual shifter for high-level play. Plus it gave a whole new second city layout to play around in (with that oh-so-gratifying open drawbridge jump) and the Crazy Box challenges.
I would add Akai Katana as a good example that's recent. The 360 release included modes that improved upon the original arcade release, while offering HD graphics if that's your thing.
Incidentally, there was an additional PCB released for home use that also improved upon the original arcade game, and the 360 version spawned an arcade release of Shin mode that made it all come full circle.
Incidentally, there was an additional PCB released for home use that also improved upon the original arcade game, and the 360 version spawned an arcade release of Shin mode that made it all come full circle.
The Mega Drive version of Data East's Atomic Runner (aka Chelnov) is a lot better than the arcade original.
Arcade:
Mega Drive:
Arcade:
Mega Drive:
Here's a good article about the game: http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/chelnov/chelnov.htm
I mastered the arcade game back in the day and had no idea there was a Megadrive version!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Basically anything Namco.
No seriously, everything Namco. Especially the Time Crisis games.
Daytona USA on PS360
No seriously, everything Namco. Especially the Time Crisis games.
Daytona USA on PS360
I don't think the problem was missing colors so much as it was poorly chosen colors. There's a ROM hack which fixes most of the problems like the sickly yellow hue on the characters.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Huh? Graphically (and for me most definitely in gameplay) Ninja Gaiden arcade destroyed the home port. Hell, they were only alike in name. They were two different games.
Woah, that is just as unusual as the Game Boy version of Bust-A-Move 2 being ported to the Arcade.
xaeroxcore
Banned
Doesn´t look on par...Looks a little bit better, textures and resolution seems to be a little bit improved. But i don´t understand why you say it´s broken...From a gameplay perspective it feels equal to the Arcade version...But i gotta say i haven´t played the Arcade too much.
MK Gold is broken, only if you compare it with real DC fighters...Like SC, Doa 2, Project Justice, etc...
xaeroxcore
Banned
I´m agree....I don´t see Daytona 2 graphics out of the Dreamcast reach...The thing is the complex Model 3 architecture..DC is more powerful, but never from a generational leap...In fact i think the two machines are close in overall visual horsepower...That makes that any direct port from Model 3 suffer from little downgrading here and there on DC (not something very evident, in most cases)...If they would have direct ported Daytona 2 to DC, probably the game would have suffered from the same handicaps of the Sega Rally 2 port...But if they would create a Dreamcast Daytona 2 from the scratch, and taking advantage of the entire DC hardware, it would look better than the model 3 Daytona 2.
I'd extend this to the horizontal Cave games (maybe tate ones too but I've played on a turned CRT just once). They had arcade modes and refined arrange modes with significant updates. Altho I can see the argument for board specific quirks and slowdowns in this genre.
Glad to find the only person alive that agrees with me on this. Fun early beat 'em up with interesting graphics and stage interactions.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Yes, it's called Monkey Ball, has no GonGon, only has one Master course (the hardest one) and is controlled by a banana stick. Other than that it is the same game as Super Monkey Ball. I have never played it though, even though I'm a huge Super Monkey Ball fan.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Dynamite Deka/Die Hard Arcade to PS2 ports.
Improved graphic, new game mode, so yeah, better than the arcade
Improved graphic, new game mode, so yeah, better than the arcade
Oh shit, i didn't know this was on JP PSN! Play-Asia, here I come! I've got this game for Saturn and it's awesome but loading between each room is murder.
SuperLeviathan
Member
I now have an inkling of why the Reshelled version was so controversial.
I'll add another vote for the SNES version. Aside from everything else mentioned, adding in Rat King and Bebop and Rocksteady (and taking out Cement Man) tips the scales.
Gentleman Jack
Member
This this this. The Tekken ports were first-class efforts across the board, adding characters, content and cutscenes galore. Well worth the money every single time.
BrendanSinclair
Member
Lots of great responses in here, SF Rush 2049 and Soulcalibur are the natural ones for me, but I need to see more love for this one:
Quiz and Dragons.
In addition to the awesomely surreal quiz-based combat scenarios like this:
They made a new version with Capcom-specific questions for its release in the Capcom Classics Collection anthologies:
Quiz and Dragons.
In addition to the awesomely surreal quiz-based combat scenarios like this:
They made a new version with Capcom-specific questions for its release in the Capcom Classics Collection anthologies:
Laevateinn
Member
I own a Golden Axe arcade board. The AI in it is annoyingly stupid and will just stand attacking the air if you are horizontal to them. Golden Axe, Genesis also added a level and an additional last boss beyond the arcade's last boss. Although, the last boss on the Genesis (is that Death Adder or is Death Adder the one in the room with the king and queen?) is too difficult in my opinion.