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At gunpoint: Super Paper Mario or Super Mario Galaxy
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PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
AniHawk said:
And SM64 killed SMW?
Nah. The greatest games will live forever and will be reborn in another fashion.
Journeywalker
Member
From what I've seen, EAD Tokyo is great at isolating that "happy feeling" that makes me feel like a kindergartener. My only worry is the length (and thus, the pacing). If Galaxy is as short as Jungle Beat, I'm going to be disappointed. However, based on the repetition and pacing of Jungle Beat, I'm not sure the funcore could sustain a 15-20 hour game. I love IS, but I see more fun in Galaxy.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
good god, metroid prime killed metroid?
it made it relevant again.
and wario ware is an avant-garde masterpiece of modern gaming.
jesus, you managed to trash at least two of the most impressive gaming accomplishments of the past 5 years in one post.
it made it relevant again.
and wario ware is an avant-garde masterpiece of modern gaming.
jesus, you managed to trash at least two of the most impressive gaming accomplishments of the past 5 years in one post.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
AniHawk said:
might have something to do with the gba install base v. the gamecube install base.
and i certainly don't think quality game always leads to proportionally correlate sales numbers.
plagiarize
Banned
right. the best 3d platformer last gen.AniHawk said:
so that's a good thing yes?
Wow.Pureauthor said:
I actually agree if you remove any one choice from the Zelda/Mario/Metroid list.
Eesh, I didn't think of it that way but there's some distinct possibility you're right. After all, Zelda's in as much trouble as you're saying, and Mario, well...AniHawk said:
Yes, actually, yes, considering that there were no new 2D Mario games for ten years afterward.PantherLotus said:
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
again, i don't think the quality of a game necessarily always makes it a system-seller for everyone. in fact, to say so is complete blindness.
cartman414
Member
Wario Ware - too soon to be written off as shovelware. The original and Twisted were awesome.
Anyways, tough choice. Mario Galaxy's planet hopping looks like mondo fun, while Super Paper Mario's mashup of true, switchable 2.5d platforming and RPG mechanics, not to mention expansion upon the art style of the PM sub-series, looks irresistible.
Anyways, tough choice. Mario Galaxy's planet hopping looks like mondo fun, while Super Paper Mario's mashup of true, switchable 2.5d platforming and RPG mechanics, not to mention expansion upon the art style of the PM sub-series, looks irresistible.
Metroid's not really in bad shape, as the original Metroid team at SPD1 is still relatively intact and has a nice little 32bit handheld to craft traditional Metroids alongside Retro's Prime big scale console affairs. NST's Hunters performed okay, but not nearly well enough to make it the new standard for handheld Metroid... it's tracking quite a bit behind Fusion.
The real crime is Wario though, with the Wario Land/Ware team at SPD2 gutted and them busy driving their Ware concept into the ground (6 Wares in 3 years, 7 if you count Tengoku... in comparison it took 8 years to get 5 Wario Lands). It's a real crime what's happened to Nintendo's best post-SNES platform team.
The real crime is Wario though, with the Wario Land/Ware team at SPD2 gutted and them busy driving their Ware concept into the ground (6 Wares in 3 years, 7 if you count Tengoku... in comparison it took 8 years to get 5 Wario Lands). It's a real crime what's happened to Nintendo's best post-SNES platform team.
Super Mario Galaxy
imo no developer can match ead at their best.
i love intsys and old r&d1, they're responsible for many incredible games, but even they can't match ead on form. all my favourite development teams are within nintendo and personally, i'm happier with the games of these teams than i've been for years, using the structure shikamaru ninja has talked about.
ead has been refined to perfection! so many incredible teams creating so many amazing games
spd1's warioware games are brilliant (although touched is the weakest entry and could've been better if it wasn't rushed). twisted and rhythm tengoku are genius! stunning games which i still play now, even though i've completed them and smooth moves looks like it could be the best game in the series!
intelligent systems is stellar! fire emblem, advance wars and paper mario are consistently amazing and super paper mario looks awesome! they also help the warioware games with no doubt valuable contributions.
game freak is another amazing team. retro will hopefully fix the short comings of prime 2 and release another stunning game in corruption which lives up to the excellent original prime. task force development has created brilliant games in band bros. and brain training. hal is also a great team and i'm looking forward to playing pokémon ranger.
also, i think it's a mistake to assume every producer/director wants a huge team.
imo no developer can match ead at their best.
i love intsys and old r&d1, they're responsible for many incredible games, but even they can't match ead on form. all my favourite development teams are within nintendo and personally, i'm happier with the games of these teams than i've been for years, using the structure shikamaru ninja has talked about.
ead has been refined to perfection! so many incredible teams creating so many amazing games
spd1's warioware games are brilliant (although touched is the weakest entry and could've been better if it wasn't rushed). twisted and rhythm tengoku are genius! stunning games which i still play now, even though i've completed them and smooth moves looks like it could be the best game in the series!
intelligent systems is stellar! fire emblem, advance wars and paper mario are consistently amazing and super paper mario looks awesome! they also help the warioware games with no doubt valuable contributions.
game freak is another amazing team. retro will hopefully fix the short comings of prime 2 and release another stunning game in corruption which lives up to the excellent original prime. task force development has created brilliant games in band bros. and brain training. hal is also a great team and i'm looking forward to playing pokémon ranger.
also, i think it's a mistake to assume every producer/director wants a huge team.
Was just browsin some stuff, and I found this. Didn't feel the need to make a thread about it, but thought it was interesting anyway:
That was mentioned in Sep. of 2000... lol
Christ, it's scary to think that Shiggy was even for a moment doubting whether or not he would make another Mario game.
That was mentioned in Sep. of 2000... lol
Christ, it's scary to think that Shiggy was even for a moment doubting whether or not he would make another Mario game.
I'd have to agree... though I'd also say overall that EAD doesn't come close to the high level on consistantcy that IntSys and RD1/SPD seem to effortlessly manage, especially recently. EAD at their best though (Yoshi's Island, Link's Awakening, F-Zero X, etc) is basically unparalleled.... but "their best" basically skipped last gen too.ziran said:
Shikamaru Ninja
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Again, is it a fair comparison. Int Syst and R&D1 have been developing the same type of games over and over unlike EAD. R&D1 at least created Wario Ware and Rhythm Heaven which were new types of games.
But Int Sys nor SPD1 will ever be able to develop a blockbuster game like Super Mario Galaxy or Twilight Princess. These two games are going to be awesome.
Well sure, both IntSys and RD1 seems to be perfectling formulas moreso (Wars/Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, 2D Metroid, Wario Ware/Tengoku, etc) but brilliance had to strike at least once. Panel de Pon or the first Paper Mario/Fire Emblem being solid examples for InSys, and RD1 had tons of creative efforts pre-NES and during the NES days, plus recently Wario Ware. I'd say the reason we see lots of tuned sequels from these developers though chiefly is that (unlike EAD) they don't have massive resources to pour into each and every release. They literally can't build "from the ground up" each time, because they don't have huge budgets and 150+ staff.Shikamaru Ninja said:
It's not like EAD doesn't recycle elements either, though their sequels do have more of a "from the ground up" feeling. But really, half EAD's N64 output was arcade racers... it's not like they're too often venturing outside their safer geners... EAD's "failures" don't often stem from risk taking formulas I'd say...
the androgyne
Member
jarrod said:
I'm not sure of the breakdown of the rest of the team(s) but you do know Yoshio Sakamoto is one of the higher ups working on both of these series right? And i don't particularly think they'er driving the Ware concept into the ground, considering each new one takes significant advantage of a hardware feature or similar.
gamergirly
Member
aurto511 said:
Considering they're not the same genre and are very different gameplay wise, I think they'll be on the same footing. As for the better sales, my gut instinct says SMG but if Zelda:TP takes off, that's a different story.
Overall, SMG will be the better game. Utilizing the controller in different ways and it'll be at least 3 times longer than SPM. In some ways, instead of SPM, I think they should create Super Mario Brothers 4 or something. Hours of entertainment that cant be compared.
Sakamoto is basically the final lead left from RD1 from what I understand.the androgyne said:
And while the Wares tend to use featuresets fairly well (or add them entirely in Twisted's case), 7 games in 3 years is definitely overkill I'd say. Wario Land never had it so good (and it actually sold just as well).
Super Mario Galaxy by far.
Yes, Super Paper Mario has a fantastic art direction, but the platforming sections in the Paper Mario game were kind of mediocre and who wants stats/menus in a platformer? I hope it has a different engine to the normal Paper Mario games, but it doesn't look like it from the video.
Yes, Super Paper Mario has a fantastic art direction, but the platforming sections in the Paper Mario game were kind of mediocre and who wants stats/menus in a platformer? I hope it has a different engine to the normal Paper Mario games, but it doesn't look like it from the video.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Hitoshi Yamagami, the father of puzzles at Nintendo, worked and created the Nintendo version of Tetris, Dr. Mario, and Yoshi's Cookie. Was one of the concept creators of Panel De Pon.
Yamagami is now in charge of SPD2 who developed Mahjong and Tetris for DS.
Don't get me wrong. I like both developers, especially Yoshio Sakamoto. But EAD's teams have the single most important franchises and Nintendo talent out there. Katsuya Eguchi, Eiji Aonuma, Hideki Konno. The ancient Miyamoto PR dragon overshadows them, but you got the director of Metroid 2 developing Big Brain Academy Wii and New Super Mario Bros 2 under the EAD label. You got Eiji Aonuma developing a Wii and DS Zelda title. You got Shimizu and Koizumi with the rest of the Mario Sunshine team and former UGA developers working on Mario Galaxy in Tokyo, you got the director of Star Fox and Wave Race 64 working on Wii Sports, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing Wii..
Need I go on????
Back on topic.
the androgyne
Member
Not that i don't agree with the rest of your post but..
Did you just make that up? I'm hoping just as much as the next guy but lets wait for some confirmation here!
Shikamaru Ninja said:
Did you just make that up? I'm hoping just as much as the next guy but lets wait for some confirmation here!
Shikamaru Ninja
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Nah just a smart guess. New Super Mario Bros 2. That team makes nothing but 2D games. When they ran out of Mario Ports, they finally developed NSMB. So I mean logically, what could be next.
Joseph Merrick
Member
Isn't the Wario Thief game being developed by Suzak? Or am I remembering wrong/was the info wrong
the thoroughbred
Member
What is SPD2?
Does anyone think that NST will live up to the Japan equivelant. I thought I was a Nintendo nerd, but you guys know everything. I only new a few of those poeple, I didn't think they all ran seperate teams. Its a shame that Miyamoto gets all the credit for everything. I mean he isn't even working on anything right? The last game I heard he make was Nintendogs.
Does anyone think that NST will live up to the Japan equivelant. I thought I was a Nintendo nerd, but you guys know everything. I only new a few of those poeple, I didn't think they all ran seperate teams. Its a shame that Miyamoto gets all the credit for everything. I mean he isn't even working on anything right? The last game I heard he make was Nintendogs.
the thoroughbred
Member
And Another thing will we ever get Rhythm Tengoku and the Bit generations, in the rest of the World. I am in the UK so I really want it in Europe. Also there was a rumor a while back for a Mother 1,2 and 3 port on GBA. So maybe the 2D team are working on that rather than NSMB2.
I think no more Mario games for at least 4 years now. We have had Mario strikers, M vs DK2, YMFI2, NSMB, SPM, SMG, M Strikers Wii etc etc. Its all good, but a large rest would do nothing but good for everyone right now.
I think no more Mario games for at least 4 years now. We have had Mario strikers, M vs DK2, YMFI2, NSMB, SPM, SMG, M Strikers Wii etc etc. Its all good, but a large rest would do nothing but good for everyone right now.
TanOOkiSeong
Member
GALAXY
spd2 is special projects development group 2, an internal nintendo development team, which used to be part of r&d1 i think.the thoroughbred said:
shikamaru ninja provides a good amount of info on the inner workings of nintendo. if you look through some of threads he's made he's written about the newly restructured nintendo teams. here's a recent one showing the ncl structure:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104923
from what i understand, during the n64 nintendo realised they needed to expand and reorganise their internal teams and nurture new talented producers and directors. over the last several years they've been doing this and they're now sorted and in a very productive position.
i think bit generations is coming to na so it may come to europe eventually. rhythm tengoku has been a big hit in japan so could be localised, though nothing has been confirmed afaik. not sure about mother.the thoroughbred said:
Keru_Shiri
Member
Mario Kart, probably, but I honestly believe that neither of those titles will top brawl.jarrod said:
They would be hard pressed to at the very least.