The Librarian
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So was Kobol the original planet from which Humans came?
Dax01 said:So was Kobol the original planet from which Humans came?
Yaweee said:So... what was the point of the impregnation campaign? Why would Cavil want Cylon children to be even more human, especially when they already had Resurrection?
DarienA said:That what it seems to indicate, on Kobol humans originally lived with their "gods". It even seems possible that they got kicked out for/not to long after they created cylons.
I think Cavil was looking for an alternate way to create humanoid Cyclons with resurrection, perhaps because he saw the hub as a vulnerability? It seems obvious that if they don't have the tech to recreate resurrection, they don't have the tech to move their enhanced selves back to metal bodies, so they're going to need to continue to be able to make humanoid cylons....
They lived with their "gods?" It would be awesome if these "gods" were aliens... Did these gods give humans FTL ability?DarienA said:That what it seems to indicate, on Kobol humans originally lived with their "gods". It even seems possible that they got kicked out for/not to long after they created cylons.
Yaweee said:Humanoid Cylons are grown in that amniotic fluid. I thought the Resurrection technology was just the actual mental transfer process, that they still had the basic stuff like the ability to grow new bodies as long as they had the original DNA sequence.
Perhaps that's just semantics, though.
Dax01 said:They lived with their "gods?" It would be awesome if these "gods" were aliens... Did these gods give humans FTL ability?
gkrykewy said:But the 5 were on earth, right? How is it that earth was populated entirely by cylons when it was nuked?
Juice said:Clearly the 13th tribe were humanoid cylons originally created on Kobol by the humans and then left out of the party during some sort of schism.
Correct me, but I think the Final Five still harbor thoughts that they were human on Earth; perhaps even though the word is out that all of the bones are cylon on earth, they weren't aware of it in their previous life and still consider themselves as having been at one point human (Ellen's sass mouth at the John suggests this).
To answer your question, the 13th's humanoid cylons developed metal cylons of their own to do their work, didn't take care of them, and it was those metal cylons that annihilated them.
jey_16 said:makes sense, if the 13th tribe were cylons (which seems pretty much confirmed now) then they would have no problem lasting so long on a ship
Ventrue said:Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
It can be put into an easy to remember acronym for future sci-fi writers. My head is spinning from all the exposition lately. It's really better for some things to be left to the imagination.
Ventrue said:It's really better for some things to be left to the imagination.
Not really; it had the same problem of over-explaining everything and adding some pointless backstory and mystic nonsense.Juice said:Matrix Revolutions was probably the simplest outcome imaginable. And it was awesome, rite?
I don't mean have an ambiguous ending or never answering any questions. I'm talking about having one guy spout off exposition about resurrection and relativity for a whole episode.If they even think of doing this I'll kill them. I fucking hate shows that have a lead up to nothing.
Ventrue said:Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
It can be put into an easy to remember acronym for future sci-fi writers. My head is spinning from all the exposition lately. It's really better for some things to be left to the imagination.
DarienA said:Personally I disagree. I like my TV shows with meat to their characters and history to boot.
I only want my movies using the KISS format since I'm only going to sit there for an hr or so and then be done with it.
Cavil: "In all your travels, have you ever seen a star super nova?"
Ellen: "No."
Cavil: "No? Well I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets, and eventually, other life. A super nova: Creation itself. I was there, I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you want to know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull. With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air."
Ellen: "The five of us designed you to be as human as possible."
Cavil: "I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays and I want to, I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to, I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limited spoken language. But I know I want reach out with something other than these prehensile paws and feel the solar wind of a super nova flowing over me. I'm a machine and I can know much more. I could experience so much more, but I'm trapped in this absurd body. And why? Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way."
Kastro said:so how fucking awesome was the dialogue in this episode?
Kastro said:so how fucking awesome was the dialogue in this episode?
Stoney Mason said:As usual the podcast for the episode was very interesting.
Puncture said:Are these podcasts you speak of like the ones on the DVD sets where they talk about the episode during the episode? :lol I LOVE those and its really the reason I buy the DVD sets, can you give me a link to it. I want to watch it playing over the episode. Especially this episode.
Puncture said:Are these podcasts you speak of like the ones on the DVD sets where they talk about the episode during the episode? :lol I LOVE those and its really the reason I buy the DVD sets, can you give me a link to it. I want to watch it playing over the episode. Especially this episode.
NimbusD said:
Ron Moore does some of the best podcasts around imo (when his wife isn't with him) since he is generally very introspective and honest about his feelings.
icarus-daedelus said:Somebody please tell me that SciFi is going to stream this tonight, or at least that they're not going to pull the bullshit Hulu is going to tomorrow. ;_; I think I'd die if I had to wait 8 days for the next episode, let alone the next five INCLUDING THE FINALE. I loved you Hulu, why, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?
parrotbeak said:I just rewatched the beginning of S3 Ep 1 where Ellen and Cavil get it on, and she screams "Cmon you son of a bitch" the whole time while riding him.
Mama Robotnik said:Never really noticed how much thought went into that montage of clips.
Dax01 said:How many episodes are left?
rhino4evr said:I don't really understand the purpose of the "Earth" Cylons being Cylons at all. They were able to procreate, and live like humans, so does it really matter to the story? Couldn't Earth be the place where a group of Kobol humans settled, and the first REAL SKinJobs were actually just the resurrected Final 5 Human Scinentists? That would have made the story so much simpler. Then we wouldnt have all these questions regarding Cylon Aging, Why Earth was destroyed by Centrurions, etc. etc. It's a unecessary twist, that asks more questions then answers them.
rhino4evr said:I don't really understand the purpose of the "Earth" Cylons being Cylons at all. They were able to procreate, and live like humans, so does it really matter to the story? Couldn't Earth be the place where a group of Kobol humans settled, and the first REAL SKinJobs were actually just the resurrected Final 5 Human Scinentists? That would have made the story so much simpler. Then we wouldnt have all these questions regarding Cylon Aging, Why Earth was destroyed by Centrurions, etc. etc. It's a unecessary twist, that asks more questions then answers them.
Foov said:I appreciate it as a good explanation for why the 13th colony was broken off from the other 12 in the first place and became lost - from the miniseries on I knew I wanted an explanation for why 12 colonies would all be in this one solar system and the 13th would've been way off somewhere else. This explanation is consistent with the shows themes/ideas and satisfactory to me.
I knew that reminded of something.darkiguana said:Here is the list of remaining episodes. The last 2 are 2 parts and I think I read that the finale is 2 hours. Spoilering just in case. It's 6 including tonight.
Someone to Watch Over Me
Dax01 said:
Foov said:I appreciate it as a good explanation for why the 13th colony was broken off from the other 12 in the first place and became lost - from the miniseries on I knew I wanted an explanation for why 12 colonies would all be in this one solar system and the 13th would've been way off somewhere else. This explanation is consistent with the shows themes/ideas and satisfactory to me.
gofreak said:Haha. That was such a delicious element of the plot in hindsight. Although I doubt they planned at the time that things would work out. I think I read that they figured Ellen might be one of the five after New Caprica, just after they killed her.
Didn't Moore say he made them all in one solar system just like the original series?maharg said:Um, they aren't all in one solar system. Or else the starcharts on Kobol for the locations of the 13 colonies would make no sense. It's not like they didn't have FTL.
Why being such a jerk? Don't need to be mean.Kak.efes said:That's insane.
You just referenced trek without citing anything related to DS9.
Fuzzy said:Didn't Moore say he made them all in one solar system just like the original series?
Red Mercury said:I'm more looking for someone to help clarify my hazy memory on some of the earlier eps. I have some internal speculation as to what the frack is going on with Kara/Starbuck. I'll spoiler it just in case people would rather not even think about it -
Isn't it possible Kara is a replacement model for the boxed Daniel model? Some of the similar traits that they were looking for, from what we heard from Ellen, in terms of artistic ability. They had Kara held prisoner on Caprica, when she met Anders, and my memory is trying to insist that it was some kind of fertility thing they were doing on her. Perhaps in the time since she was prisoner, or perhaps WHILE she was prisoner they implanted her with the ability to download upon death, and started creating cloned copies from the genetic material they got so that when she did die she would resurrect. Cavil has already shown he can surpress/implant memories into the models, so that could explain her lack of knowledge.
So yeah - my guess - Kara was a newly created model of Cylon, one created during the events of the show, to replace the boxed Daniel.
Sorry if this has already been guessed at or I am just stating the obvious - i've not followed the thread super close lately.