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Na Bernie is losing about as badly as predicted.Soooo, he's losing badly. Just not as bad as predicted? If the outcome is ultimately the same, why does it matter?
Na Bernie is losing about as badly as predicted.Soooo, he's losing badly. Just not as bad as predicted? If the outcome is ultimately the same, why does it matter?
Seriously. A prick move
Yup. Very small chance that gets bigger or smaller with each state.
Washington is the next big one. Needs a big win there.
Na Bernie is losing about as badly as predicted.
Well tomorrow is going to be big for him. I think he nets about 50 delegates. But once NY rolls around, it is back to favorable Clinton states.
but GAF keeps telling me Bernie has no chance
How's he looking in California? That's a heavy hitter, right?
There isn't one.Please give me the scenario in which he overtakes Hillary?
You know, based on math. Not just feels.
Sorry, but no. When it comes to policy, Hillary and Bernie have a pretty similar record. She was actually one of the more liberal senators in the country when she served. It's really great that Bernie has brought a new, previously apathetic audience to the table , but their ignorance of politics really shows sometimes.Meh. On policy itself it's not that unfair to characterize Hillary and co as centrist conservatives. The gop at this point are right wing extremists.
I swear to God, Bernie vs Hillary really is just a proxy war for some users' egos at this point, isn't it? Can't even get two posts in to these threads without the same console wars bullshit cropping up every time.
Please give me the scenario in which he overtakes Hillary?
You know, based on math. Not just feels.
Sorry, but no. When it comes to policy, Hillary and Bernie have a pretty similar record. She was actually one of the more liberal senators in the country when she served. It's really great that Bernie has brought a new, previously apathetic audience to the table , but their ignorance of politics really shows sometimes.
Like I said, it's the Tea Party playbook of calling anyone who breaks from the extreme-right a RINO. It looks dumb there, and it looks dumb here.
Na Bernie is losing about as badly as predicted.
It can be at times, but there are a lot of Bernie voters and supporters here too.Bernie hate on GAF is mind boggling.
Months ago, the Poligaf generally consensus was that he'd drop before or immediately after Super Tuesday
Bernie hate on GAF is mind boggling.
He is 300 delegates behind
Can you tell me where he makes them up?
There are plenty of supporters on both sides. It's just that GAF isn't an echo chamber, and it's blowing your mind.
Months ago, the Poligaf generally consensus was that he'd drop before or immediately after Super Tuesday
He is 300 delegates behind
Can you tell me where he makes them up?
I swear to God, Bernie vs Hillary really is just a proxy war for some users' egos at this point, isn't it? Can't even get two posts in to these threads without the same console wars bullshit cropping up every time. Hasn't gotten too bad in this thread yet, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time before this thread also devolves into the usual nonsense. I don't know how Dems expect unity and civility after the primaries with the amount of venom being spewed at each other. Enemy of my enemy, I guess.Although a lot of Sanders supporters weren't Dems to begin with--and likely will still not be after the primary.
There are plenty of supporters on both sides. It's just that GAF isn't an echo chamber, and it's blowing your mind.
There are a few annoying drive by pro Bernie posts every once in a while, but there are tons of regular posters who's fanboyism for Clinton is truly outstanding. They are not only pro Hillary (which is fine), the degree to which they attack Bernie is insane. Just look at the thread title for the spying thread.
If that shit is not purpose but just subconscious bias it is amazing.
There are a few annoying drive by pro Bernie posts every once in a while, but there are tons of regular posters who's fanboyism for Clinton is truly outstanding. They are not only pro Hillary (which is fine), the degree to which they attack Bernie is insane. Just look at the thread title for the spying thread.
If that shit is not purpose but just subconscious bias it is amazing.
all u do is damage control in these threads. always. over and over. your criticisms are basically a projection of what you actually do.
We have plenty of negative Hillary posts and threads too, not just "a few". Come on now....
Please give me the scenario in which he overtakes Hillary?
You know, based on math. Not just feels.
Well between his win in Democrats Abroad, UT, ID and expected wins in WA, AK, HI and WY, his net total gain will be about 80-100 delegates. But you're absolutely right. The states that are left won't give him the requisite delegates to win. I feel his campaign and his supporters are counting on something cataclysmic to happen to Clinton at this point. I still expect Clinton to win the nomination with about 350 delegates to spare.I mean...this is sort of exactly it. A "big day" of 50 delegates would still leave him multiple hundreds behind.
This isn't about being "anti-Bernie" at this point, its about looking at the states left and how hard a bunch of them need to break in a way that's incredibly unrealistic
Well between his win in Democrats Abroad, UT, ID and expected wins in WA, AK, HI and WY, his net total gain will be about 80-100 delegates. But you're absolutely right. The states that are left won't give him the requisite delegates to win. I feel his campaign and his supporters are counting on something cataclysmic to happen to Clinton at this point. I still expect Clinton to win the nomination with about 350 delegates to spare.
I don't know how Dems expect unity and civility after the primaries with the amount of venom being spewed at each other. Enemy of my enemy, I guess..Although a lot of Sanders supporters weren't Dems to begin with--and likely will still not be after the primary.
Months ago, the Poligaf generally consensus was that he'd drop before or immediately after Super Tuesday
I'm not sure this is true, but assuming that most Sanders supporters aren't Democrats and won't become Democrats, that means that Sanders is basically trying to colonize the Democratic party with his supporters and subvert the will of the people. Why would you expect positive relationships between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters in that situation?
Well, yeah, but to be fair, that assumed he'd drop out when it became clear he had no possibility of winning.
It is totally accurate that after Super Tuesday he has no possibility of winning, so chalk one up for PoliGAF there. Nailed it.
However, it seems clear at this point that Bernie is not running based on rationally expecting to win. Which is not unusual or anything, lots of presidential candidates run for lots of reasons.
Getting the longshoremen is a big deal for Bernie. Doesn't change the math but I'd expect it to be visible in California and Hawaii.
People keep talking about narrative and momentum. It doesn't matter! In 2008 Obama swept February. Clinton came back in April/May but it was too late. This year, Bernie was riding on his victory in NH but Clinton won NV and SC and Clinton never gave up the delegate lead since. Bernie wins MI and Clinton sweeps ST2. Narrative and momentum does not matter this late in the game when both candidates have certain demographics that support. We can predict with a fair amount of accuracy who will be the nominee and how many delegates they will win, even which states they are likely to win, barring some major event.If he somehow manages to replicate his performance in other caucus states and closes the difference by 60-75 delegates ahead of Wisconsin and Wyoming another two states he should win, than the narrative could be a lot different heading into New York.
People keep talking about narrative and momentum. It doesn't matter! In 2008 Obama swept February. Clinton came back in April/May but it was too late. This year, Bernie was riding on his victory in NH but Clinton won NV and SC and Clinton never gave up the delegate lead since. Bernie wins MI and Clinton sweeps ST2. Narrative and momentum does not matter this late in the game when both candidates have certain demographics that support. We can predict with a fair amount of accuracy who will be the nominee and how many delegates they will win, even which states they are likely to win, barring some major event.
I think you may have misread me slightly. I was quite careful in choosing my words such as to not imply a majority one way or the other. While I don't know the exact breakdown of Sanders' supporters by party affiliation, what I have seen and read suggests that he does have a decent amount of pull with unaffiliated voters (and, bizarrely enough, some disaffected Republicans who aren't troll-voting). As for the unity statement, that was only half-rhetorical. If what I've seen in these threads is any indication of the larger picture--and I would hope it's not--then there's more likely to be gloating and grave-pissing once Sanders bows out rather than true attempts to bridge the gap and unite against the Republicans. I know that there are quite a few supporters of one candidate versus the other that recognize this and will set aside their differences for the GE, but I worry that the most visible cheerleaders of one side aren't interested in that and will instead attempt to rub the other side's collective nose in the dirt.I'm not sure this is true, but assuming that most Sanders supporters aren't Democrats and won't become Democrats, that means that Sanders is basically trying to colonize the Democratic party with his supporters and subvert the will of the people. Why would you expect positive relationships between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters in that situation?
People keep talking about narrative and momentum. It doesn't matter! In 2008 Obama swept February. Clinton came back in April/May but it was too late. This year, Bernie was riding on his victory in NH but Clinton won NV and SC and Clinton never gave up the delegate lead since. Bernie wins MI and Clinton sweeps ST2. Narrative and momentum does not matter this late in the game when both candidates have certain demographics that support. We can predict with a fair amount of accuracy who will be the nominee and how many delegates they will win, even which states they are likely to win, barring some major event.
Meh. On policy itself it's not that unfair to characterize Hillary and co as centrist conservatives. The gop at this point are right wing extremists.
The problem with your logic and comparing this cycle to 2008 is that by March 25th in 2008 the only large states yet to vote in the Primary process were PA and NC.
Only in BernieLand is she is a centrist conservative.
Instead of reading my post and disagreeing with my points you just assert the opposite. :/
No matter how much you want to redefine Centrist Conservative so Hillary fits in your neat box.
Its false on all points.
Ignoring that Hillary wins more often in more populous states and any place with sizable minority populations.
I don't mind Bernie but I feel bad for the people's money he's taking. It's an awful thing to prey on someone's hopes.
I don't mind Bernie but I feel bad for the people's money he's taking. It's an awful thing to prey on someone's hopes.
There was a discussion. That discussion is clearly over.Right. Let's crown a nominee with no discussion.
Kind of amazing how you can claim advancing a different vision for the party is anti-democratic but can't see the authoritarianism implicit in the same argument. Party hackery at its best.I'm not sure this is true, but assuming that most Sanders supporters aren't Democrats and won't become Democrats, that means that Sanders is basically trying to colonize the Democratic party with his supporters and subvert the will of the people. Why would you expect positive relationships between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters in that situation?
There was a discussion. That discussion is clearly over.
I don't mind Bernie but I feel bad for the people's money he's taking. It's an awful thing to prey on someone's hopes.
Yeah there are a fair share of Sanders fans that behavior poorly on this forum and I can't agree with voting for Trump in the GE. Sanders fans have had plenty of stories and threads about their behavior. However, Hillary GAF/Poligaf is quite bad as well. The amount of condescension the entire election cycle from them has been ridiculous. Every positive Bernie thread always has been flooded with drive by "He's never going to win" shit posts. Especially when their biggest sources they cited were 538/Nate Silver which ended up being wrong about a lot of things this election cycle. There has been a significant amount of double standards and moving the goal post when it comes to Clinton supporters. I don't see any way of Sanders winning the primary nor did I ever really think he could. With that said he has also surpassed both long term and short term predictions from Hillary supporters, the media and the establishment. This primary was a lot closer than expected but Hillary ran a better campaign. I think in large part her winning this primary has to do with Clinton, her supporters, the media and the establishment running a successful message that no matter what Bernie is never going to win.There are a few annoying drive by pro Bernie posts every once in a while, but there are tons of regular posters who's fanboyism for Clinton is truly outstanding. They are not only pro Hillary (which is fine), the degree to which they attack Bernie is insane. Just look at the thread title for the spying thread.
If that shit is not purpose but just subconscious bias it is amazing.
Like for example this exchange. It is basically fanboyism 101.
The respondee basically said he has definitely surpassed HillaryGAF expectations, which is true.
The kneejerk defensive, non sequitur response is, "but he can't win!!!" What??
It is like impossible to have a rational conversation.