Honestly though none of this really matters. Come on the sales of Bioschock are still going to be low either way. I remember when Deus Ex 2 came out on the Xbox and the original Deus Ex came out for the ps2 which both were great games flopped big time for the Xbox and its going to be the same with Bioshock.
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Bioshock only time exclusive?
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typhonsentra
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the people that are really hyped for this games already fans because of System Shock 2? How did that game perform?
DreamMachine
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pswii60 said:
and that's the end of this thread.
Ghengis Cohen
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Maybe people can't read italics?
Willy Wanka
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pswii60 said:
:lol I can't believe people are still arguing over this...
sonycowboy
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pswii60 said:
Actually, from the first post, which was AFTER the announced exclusivity, the producer of the title, specifically made the comments in the initial post.
Wollan said:
The producer actually says that it's a timed exclusive and folks wonder why there's this discussion. It's been a multiplatform title for a long time and Microsoft seems to have approached them for a timed exclusive. Why else would Ken Levine (who was responsible for System Shock) make this comment??
And here's an interview with Ken, where they asked about the platform back from January. Notice the plural for consoles. Do folks actually think they'd throw away the dollars they've spent, especially in light of his comment after the exclusivity announcement?
In any case, it's an Xbox 360 exclusive, which doesn't mean much at all in this current generation as I think we've found out in a big way already this generation, so both sides can piss and moan all they like. I'll get it for the 360 and when or if it's available for the PS3, which IMO is very likely, alot of PS3 gamers will get a chance to play it as well.
I don't think they really mean it. I mean it just says "exclusive." It doesn't say "exclusive forever and ever." It could be exclusive for a month or something. It also doesn't say "exclusive everywhere worldwide." It could just be exclusive for downtown Seattle or something. Or maybe the exlusivity is just exclusivity for announcement of exclusivity. Like they could publish it on other platforms nonexlcusively but not exclusively announce it as exclusive on those platforms.
It's totally ambiguous IMO.
It's totally ambiguous IMO.
This thread sucks and is about 5.5 pages too long.
sonycowboy
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Stinkles said:
So, when Ken Levine said "a certain amount of time", what he meant was ALL TIME?
Beer Monkey
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Stinkles said:
Tangibly exclusive? Shanebots am cry.
sonycowboy
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GhaleonEB said:
I guarantee he wasn't wrong or misspoke. It's not like he's just a PR guy, he created the freaking game. However, it's certainly possible the reporter got it wrong, or that the interview was actually before X06 and the question was based off an assumed exclusivity.
Ghengis Cohen
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Nobody will care then. We'll all be playing MGS4 on our 360s.Stinkles said:
Right, I'm just saying - we've got one guy, albeit a very important guy - implying it might be timed. And then the publishing company announcing it through a press release which leaves slightly less than zero ambiguity. And Microsoft issuing a press release. And Stinkles' post. There's enough evidence on one side that it certainly seems likely that the quote is in inaccurate, whether as spoken or as written.sonycowboy said:
sonycowboy
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GhaleonEB said:
The press release doesn't have zero ambiguity. "Exclusive" as a term in this industry now means absolutely nothing. The definition is essentially that "you can't get it elsewhere", but does not give any connotation as to the the time frame involved.
As much as some PS3 fans may be trying to parse the PR to find outs, it seems 360 fans are doing the same to find ins. Sony announced GTA exclusive in no uncertain terms at prior E3's and yet they all made it to the Xbox. And we've got more than enough history just in the past 18 months to make the term completely vacuous.
And that goes for MGS4, FFXIII, DMC4, & VF5 as well.
If the manufacturer doesn't own the IP or the developer, I doubt any contract signed these days locks a publisher down to a system for the life of the platform. All I'm saying is there is no "never" anymore, but if you want a game and it's only announced for one system, get that system if you REALLY want that game. At the same time, I think it's ridicululous for folks to try and definitively state what a corporation, that wants to make money and that the person has absolutely no insight into, is going to do.
GhaleonEB said:
I'm not sure he said anything of the sort. The OP does not attribute that part to Ken Levine, and I ran the article through a translator and it doesn't look to me like the question was posed to Ken Levine. It certainly wasn't a quote either way.
As far as I can tell from poor translations the author just says Take 2 declined to confirm or deny a PS3 version and would only say that it is exclusive on the Xbox 360 for a certain amount of time. The author could have simply gotten that from the confusion over Microsoft's press release
You lost me at 'hello'.sonycowboy said:
You can read into the meaning of the word "exclusive" (or "is", for that matter), and go into industry trends, the whole nine yards. But none of that squares with what 1) 2K announced in their press release, 2) Peter Moore said in the keynote and 3) Microsoft said in their press release. What ever the reason - and I'm sure it had a lot of zeroes after it - it's happened.
sonycowboy said:
Look.
I don't whats your deal, you seem to get stressed alot with this kind of stuff, i don't know whats the story behind your nick either, but must be something for the ages, you don't get called a cowboy nowadays for nothing know i mean?, but the the thing is...right now all we know its exclusive, we don't know times and we don't know anything about a Ps3 version 1 year later, what we know is that when this shit releases, you ain't gonna be seeing anything about a Possible Ps3 version, its like it doesn't exist. And when this game launches, you will see if its "Only on Xbox360", catch my drift?
But in the end, nowadays, 1 year exclusives its all these manufacturers need. And as you said...if you really WANNA bioshock either play it on the PC or get it on the 360, just like if you really want Mgs4 or Dmc4, get a Ps3.
But there's a definitilly different case between saying "This game is exclusive" and "When this game ships at dat X you will only be able to play on console X" and "We have only announced game X for console X".
And obviouslly, the stamp on the damm box.
I agree... I know people are on edge over the announcements and games and crap over the last two weeks, but it's announced as exclusive. It's a feather in 360's cap and one removed from Sony's.
Who cares? They both still have lots of feathers. So you chalk up Bioshock as a loss and move on. The SDF is still running strong when there is no need.
Who cares? They both still have lots of feathers. So you chalk up Bioshock as a loss and move on. The SDF is still running strong when there is no need.
I WILL agree with one thing, the term "exclusive" has now lost all meaning. Unless a game comes out with either a Sony or Microsoft Game Studios logo on the front cover (ie. 1st or 2nd part dev), the exclusivity of a game is up in the air, despite what some corporate execs might lead you to believe.
typhonsentra
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Just give up SC. It ain't worth it.
Ghengis Cohen
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Well it is good to know so many people are excited for Bioshock, though I suspect some people here couldn't give a **** about the game beyond it being a marketing bullet point.icarus-daedelus said:So, anyway, everybody buy 3 copies of Bioshock to support Irrational. I hope it is coming to PS3, but if not, hey, I was planning to get a 360 eventually anyway.
Billy Rygar said:
Which is a sad reflection of gaming right now.
Anyways, I dislike FPSs, but SS2 was awesome. Bioshock has everything I adore in FPSs, plus more. I'm easily more excited for this than Halo 3. (Sorry Stinkles, your game'll still get plenty of play time, especially with friends) I truly hope this delivers on everything IG hopes to deliver.
Ghengis Cohen
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I actually didn't see them (I am trying not to ruin anything about the game with a media blackout from here on out) but my point was I suspect there are people here feigning excitement or the fact that they care about the game at all in order to argue console loyalty.jedimike said:
DreamMachine
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Kangu said:
I hope your being sarcastic.
DreamMachine
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Kangu said:
it may not be a console mover, but it will sell really well.
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