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BioShock still alive, being made by revived 2K Marin; CEO thinks it could sell better
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
"Believe"
neogaffer1
Banned
I think the difference with Infinite is that its story pushed boundaries in a lot of ways. Sure there were some very good stories in video games before, but Infinite topped many, if not all of them in its story. It may have had major flaws and some plot holes, but I view it in the same way as The Dark Knight Rises. It's flawed and a lot of people hate it for that, and there might be other games that feel satisfying without doing what it does, but it tries to go above tired tropes and cliches that fill video game stories and succeeds in such a way that looking back at it, it deserves some praise, if not a lot of praise.
Edit: What I mean with the The Dark Knight Rises comparison is that DKR, like The Dark Knight, tried to push comic book movies to a higher standard, the difference being DKR also tried to make it into a political metaphor at the same time and kind of caused a lot of flaws.
As long as you ignore the terrible combat. Still find it to be incredibly annoying.
blame space
Banned
needs a new title. lifewow.
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
I'd be up for more BioShock. I liked 2, even if I didn't care for Sofia Lamb.
SystemShock?
Because it should? Infinite took way too long to make money. Now 2k wants to get even, I'm guessing.
speculawyer
Member
Bring back Sander Cohen and I'm in.
SoraanTribal
Member
I will laugh if they go back to Rapture... again. Enough of that dark and dank place.
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Deleted member 102362
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I think part of the problem was investors didn't want to risk Levine's next titles taking five years each.
Which means we never got to see the awesome scene of Columbia crashing into the ocean.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
I'm down for BioShock: System Shock. Bring it back to space with alien zombie fuckos.
CaptainSlow
Member
2K, I don't want anymore Bioshock game for awhile. I do want me some Mafia III though.
Well yes; it's just Bioshock 2 greatly improved about the mechanics of the first game. So I'm saying it's very possible whatever 2K Marin comes up with will play much better than Bioshock 1 and Bioshock Infinite, which is appealing to me in a different way.
neogaffer1
Banned
If you're going to expand on Infinite's setting, that's fine. If you expand on Rapture, it's a bit over done at this point. If you create your own setting, that's fine as long as it's good and
Still can't believe they did that.
you don't end up retconning it so that it's just a prequel to the Rapture universe.
Still can't believe they did that.
Exactly. It cracked open the basis of every game that would ever follow thereby removing the mystery permeating the series. If we know the structure of every story that will follow that makes it inherently less interesting than anything preceding it.
Gratitude is better than taking innovation and creativity for granted. Progress is not magical automatic unstoppable. There are droughts that can outlast our lifetime.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I'm not sure. Sounds like a challenge. Infinite took the series to another level and changed it up. BioShock 4 can't be just another BioShock 2 on next gen consoles.
It'll have to be a whole new game and experience, in my opinion.
It'll have to be a whole new game and experience, in my opinion.
The Silver
Member
we got an underwater city, then a flying city, time to go underground
Liked Bio 1. And Infinite was incredible.
But I lost interest about halfway through 2. Just seemed like the story and game-play dragged. Might give it a shot again if they ever do an updated collection, but even then I'm not sure if I would have the patience.
That said I know the game has fans, so I'm not unhappy if the people behind 2 get another chance at it.
But I lost interest about halfway through 2. Just seemed like the story and game-play dragged. Might give it a shot again if they ever do an updated collection, but even then I'm not sure if I would have the patience.
That said I know the game has fans, so I'm not unhappy if the people behind 2 get another chance at it.
jaundicejuice
Member
Bioshock 2 is the best game in the series in my mind, I certainly found it to be the most fun to play. If some of the team from 2K Marin are on this, it's great news.
Nothing new. BS2 had multiplayer. IIRC, people actually kinda enjoyed it.
Omnii-chan
Member
Cool! I hope they have more awesome ideas for game worlds. Under the sea, above the clouds and... surprise me!
Give us a Bioshock set in a dark 1980s setting. Gritty, with weird-ass retro technology and huge white computers with white-on-black text. Protagonist is Julip Yee, ethnically Chinese computer whiz with a punk aesthetic, who battles the corrupt police of in the city of Alameda.
As Julip, we uncover the dark secrets of this city, ruled by the notoriously cruel Councilman Vargas. We are given cybernetic enhancements that let us take control of the city's power grid and magically attack our enemies. The game's aesthetic would include huge amounts of neon, a good deal of rain, cacti, spiky hair, late 80s tech, and a big East Asian influence.
Instead of the sea or sky, our isolation is the desert. Alameda's districts are connected across the sand by a series of electric trains, and the entire city is covered by a dome to protect from the irradiated night.
Soundtrack by Kavinsky.
As Julip, we uncover the dark secrets of this city, ruled by the notoriously cruel Councilman Vargas. We are given cybernetic enhancements that let us take control of the city's power grid and magically attack our enemies. The game's aesthetic would include huge amounts of neon, a good deal of rain, cacti, spiky hair, late 80s tech, and a big East Asian influence.
Instead of the sea or sky, our isolation is the desert. Alameda's districts are connected across the sand by a series of electric trains, and the entire city is covered by a dome to protect from the irradiated night.
Soundtrack by Kavinsky.
Inside our heads. Psychonauts, Bioshock-style.
It was good, just undercooked and neglected. Could still be worked into something special.
Everyone excited for Shock of Duty 2016? It's sure to have a nonsensical plot twist, technobabble that treats some random scientific concept like literal fucking magic, and zero cohesion between the setting, plot, and mechanics. You know, all the elements that made Bioshock Infinite the greatest work of art ever conceived by the mind of a sentient being.
Bioshock 2 had fun multiplayer, and the fact that it had multiplayer didn't stop it from being the best Bioshock game.
How about neither? Infinite shit over the previous two games, and the ending of those aforementioned games basically makes it impossible to directly continue the threads without undermining player choice.
I do want to see a conclusion to the Rapture storyline. But I don't really even think that necessarily has to have any established characters, except maybe Tenenbaum.
The city either rises up or finally gets crushed under the pressure.
I'd call the multiplayer diverting, and I think it did a good job with the story integration, but it's far too easy to exploit and the "I get better weapons because I've grinded through this game" kills the appeal after a while. The progression would need to be rethought.
I have no issue with this comparison. Infinite is clumsy and messy as far as story is concerned but that's mostly a result of trying to tell a larger story than most video games and the inherent clumsiness of the video game story and dialogue creation process.
It certainly tried to build a narrative thrust more comprehensive than your average shooter.
I'm afraid I would disagree. I can't think of a single drought of creativity since 1300. Rarity does not posses inherent value. What's more, I resent the idea of "required gratitude" and I would say that simply because someone does not exalt an object for its attempted uniqueness does not mean that they are taking innovation for granted.
A team of very talented individuals worked very hard to make Infinite, that effort is important. However it doesn't mean that I should be required to be thankful for the product anymore than they need to be grateful for work of mine that they don't like.
Except this time, it'll be exposition communicated completely over radio, in between orders of, "Martinez! Close that portal!"
Good news is they'll throw a AAA budget behind the next one then if they're looking to expand on 6 million sales.
Bad news is they;re looking to expand on 6 million sales and nothing will be sacred.
My guess is we're right back in rapture, without the nuance.
MoGamesXNA
Unconfirmed Member
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Just sort of acknowledge it happened, then go about it a completely different way that allows for a poignant story that isn't run over by midichlorian pseudo-science and you should be okay.
Messofanego
Banned
What I'm getting from that statement is that Infinite didn't sell as well as they wanted it to. At 6 million copies. WTF.
That's a great analogy.
That's a great analogy.
Sword Of Doom
Member
But it's a "beloved" IP. Surely they'll find a way to exploit it