Did a project last night and had this on the whole time I wish there were more.
Absolutely. "America has a race problem." Yes. Okay. As do many many places around the globe. Just look at Meaty's post about Brazil. Dai101 has given plenty of examples of the racism in Mexico. Felt terrible for Rainbowgun and the bullshit he and others are going through in Germany and all around Europe.
People love to think they're part of some racial utopia..somehow forgetting we all live on Earth. Everyone's hands are dirty..
Yeah that was what I was confused about, wasn't sure if people actually thought through a new narrative that the United States was the only one with a problem. Going back to the slave trade I've read some fucked up shit about Caribbean/South American slavery and really fucked up shit about the Arab Slave Trade.
Absolutely. "America has a race problem." Yes. Okay. As do many many places around the globe. Just look at Meaty's post about Brazil. Dai101 has given plenty of examples of the racism in Mexico. Felt terrible for Rainbowgun and the bullshit he and others are going through in Germany and all around Europe.
People love to think they're part of some racial utopia..somehow forgetting we all live on Earth. Everyone's hands are dirty..
Thank you for posting this, Cindi Mayweather. This is a very enlightening talk. Like others have said, I do wish there was a way to get more people to watch it, but it does seem like many will have closed ears to anything that changes how they view black people. I'd love to be proven wrong. Without acknowledging the holocaust America put black people through, things will never get better.
I'll definitely get a copy of her book and read it.
A lot of folks could benefit from giving this a watch... have a little understanding.
Particularly after dealing with, what's it been? 3 BLM topics and 1 topic about Confederate History Month where it seems clear people here and abroad have zero context about race save for slavery and civil rights.
Particularly after dealing with, what's it been? 3 BLM topics and 1 topic about Confederate History Month where it seems clear people here and abroad have zero context about race save for slavery and civil rights.
Those BLM threads (especially the Nashville one) were the definition of white fragility.
Whole bunch of people who didn't give two shits about BLM or black people in general suddenly upset that they can't attend a BLM meeting that they had no plans to attend in the first place.
The ones who would benefit the most from the videos, have no desire to actually watch them.
Compare the number of replies in this thread to that thread. This is why I don't debate or educate white people. Most aren't interested in being educated on this.
It gets tiring making the case for your humanity.Education is its own reward. If just one more person gets it, you've done better than you were doing yesterday. You've improved the world by that 0.01 percent. It all counts.
It gets tiring making the case for your humanity.
Education is its own reward. If just one more person gets it, you've done better than you were doing yesterday. You've improved the world by that 0.01 percent. It all counts.
Yeah well, nobody said it was gonna be easy. If it's wearing you out personally, leave it to somebody else. Movements on the right side of history tend to win out in the long run.
Just wanted to say... I'm basically a lurker but so love these threads. Shared the video on FB and a friend of mine (who I didn't even realized cared about these issues) Shared it to her page. So thank you.
Yeah well, nobody said it was gonna be easy. If it's wearing you out personally, leave it to somebody else. Movements on the right side of history tend to win out in the long run.
Yeah, I'm not stopping others from trying to educate so I'm not sure why you made this response to me. As an individual who is oppressed and is dealing with this shit it's probably better energy spent empowering myself and my community than it is to educate the privilege on why my life matters. It shouldn't be our responsibility to teach the privilege right from wrong and good from bad.
Share it with as many as possible.
Those BLM threads (especially the Nashville one) were the definition of white fragility.
Whole bunch of people who didn't give two shits about BLM or black people in general suddenly upset that they can't attend a BLM meeting that they had no plans to attend in the first place.
The ones who would benefit the most from the videos, have no desire to actually watch them.
To be fair such threads get that far because there's something to debate and unfortunately that's the only kind of discourse were trained to have on the internet it seems.This is always incredibly frustrating about stuff like this. Frustrating that a thread about a BLM meeting not allowing white people in gets to over 20 pages so quickly, while threads like this tend to just stagnate after just a few pages. "You can't solve racism with more racism" is what you say when you don't understand why marginalized groups don't feel safe in the world and would desire a form of safe space.
I can only wish that everyone would take the time to read all of these Black History Month threads. It's a pretty nasty but important part of history for people to understand.
Yeah, I'm not stopping others from trying to educate so I'm not sure why you made this response to me.
"You can't solve racism with more racism" is what you say when you don't understand why marginalized groups don't feel safe in the world and would desire a form of safe space..
http://www.afrostateofmind.com/dearblackpeople-its-ok-to-have-private-black-meetings/'Blacks only' meetings are about safety? Really? Do you have a link?
That's what you got from my post?
If it's wearing you out personally, leave it to somebody else.
As I said in the Tennessee thread, I no longer debate white people on race because I feel very few of them are actually capable of rationally discussing it. I do not strive to educate. However today, I make an exception.
Not sure how I was supposed to take that :S
How very interesting. Thank you.
Take it as it is said? Just plain advice? I'm not out to get you dude/dudette.
This truly the most arrogant and condescending thing I've read in a while.
"I usually don't impart my brilliance upon you unwashed rabble, but let me lower myself just this once..."
This truly the most arrogant and condescending thing I've read in a while.
"I usually don't impart my brilliance upon you unwashed rabble, but let me lower myself just this once..."
It's no different of a statement than a gay person explaining why they would choose to no longer explain themselves to homophobes.This truly the most arrogant and condescending thing I've read in a while.
"I usually don't impart my brilliance upon you unwashed rabble, but let me lower myself just this once..."
This truly the most arrogant and condescending thing I've read in a while.
"I usually don't impart my brilliance upon you unwashed rabble, but let me lower myself just this once..."
Did you watch the video in OP?
It's no different of a statement than a gay person explaining why they would choose to no longer explain themselves to homophobes.
It's no different of a statement than a gay person explaining why they would choose to no longer explain themselves to homophobes.
This is always incredibly frustrating about stuff like this. Frustrating that a thread about a BLM meeting not allowing white people in gets to over 20 pages so quickly, while threads like this tend to just stagnate after just a few pages. "You can't solve racism with more racism" is what you say when you don't understand why marginalized groups don't feel safe in the world and would desire a form of safe space.
I can only wish that everyone would take the time to read all of these Black History Month threads. It's a pretty nasty but important part of history for people to understand.
I can see where you are coming from, but just replace homophobes with "straight people".
It's a rough way to start a paragraph. It's condescending regardless of the subject matter.
I don't have another link, but if you're interested in more, I thought that Beverly Daniel Tatum's explanation in "Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?" of her use of segregated groups in the context of anti-racism workshops was a good explanation of the practical benefits of separate groups. It's not that the goal is separatism, but that in the right context it can be beneficial, particularly in allowing for more frank speech and less fear of screwing up. It's a way of facilitating getting started, I think.
It may seem arrogant, but it isn't. It was a follow up to the arguments thrown in the Tennessee BLM thread. If you didn't see that thread which was referenced, you missed a large amount of the context.
I see. Cheers. There was a thread on GAF last year where some white guy wanted to hear about racism, but made the thread specific to black people, like he was only interested to hear about black people suffering.
And a few Asian gaffers, and other minorities said: 'what about us?' The feeling was that not only were minorities facing racism, but due to white guilt against black racism, their asian voice was given even lesser credence.
I think in that instance it was made worse because, coincidently, in the Asian OT, we were just discussing how common place racism against asians was on GAF and in the media. And nobody.. okay more accurately, it appeared that more people get away with racism against asians on gaf.
Coming back to the above link, it's interesting because, one of the posters would only talk about it (racism on gaf) in the Asian OT; they did this because they considered Asian OT a safe space and even created a list of of racist posts off site. I then just posted all those posts my self, cause I don't really see why I should be afraid of gaf posters. People do make assumptions. But whatever.
Being of Asian origin [well I have all gene pools really], I'll add that Asians can be racist too, so if I am, just point it out, and it'll be better that way, so I can learn from that.
Yes. This was me just bumping the thread. But also I had something to say!
This is always incredibly frustrating about stuff like this. Frustrating that a thread about a BLM meeting not allowing white people in gets to over 20 pages so quickly, while threads like this tend to just stagnate after just a few pages. "You can't solve racism with more racism" is what you say when you don't understand why marginalized groups don't feel safe in the world and would desire a form of safe space.