The Strokes
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Damn, this game sure is looking good.
"Early 2015" I want to believe, but I don't know. April-May is my bet.
"Early 2015" I want to believe, but I don't know. April-May is my bet.
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BLOODBORNE Impressions Thread : And so the Nightly Hunt Begins
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Considering it was running at like 15fps at E3, was considerably improved by the version at Gamescom, and it's at least six months out I wouldn't be too worried if the target is 30fps. Sony's helping too so I assume their engineers will get it up to snuff by release.
That sounds right to me too. Within six months sounds a bit ambitious but I doubt it's too much further out.
Should we assume, then, that the target is a locked 30fps?
Which would be fine for me!
JudgmentJay
Member
That is what they have said, yes.
lol that's the video I recorded, yes, it's not from Gamescom, it's from Festigames in Chile and yes we where allowed to record, I'm uploading a new one but it don't look this good, that's why I uploaded the other first, when I finish uploading I'll put the other link
Really nice video, but I'm not going to lie, the whole time watching it, I was mentally shouting, "Lock-on, man!"
Yoshida even acknowledged that Demon's Souls was really rough when it was in development: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-10-sony-admits-dropping-the-ball-with-demons-souls
I have complete faith in FROM and Sony that they will have the game running at a stable framerate at release.
This is gonna be a big game for PS4, I don't think either Sony or FROM wants to drop the ball on this one.
Yes, they've said it's gonna be 1080p at 30fps
I have complete faith in FROM and Sony that they will have the game running at a stable framerate at release.
This is gonna be a big game for PS4, I don't think either Sony or FROM wants to drop the ball on this one.
Yes, they've said it's gonna be 1080p at 30fps
Orthogonal
Member
Ah, yes, absolutely. The animations look much better. I believe DeS and DS1 used inverse kinematics for footwork animations which gave them a rigid footing (occasionally causing the foot to bend unnaturally but looking much better in motion.) DS2 used motion capture for a lot of animations so the movement was "authentic", but the animations didn't necessarily match up with character movement so it gave a floating or even slipping effect, especially when circle strafing. Either they went back to the original way of doing it, or they managed to better sync mock animations.
Cool. Missed that. Seems totally within the realm of possibility then.
lol yea, I wasn't really paying attention to the player or how he was playing, I was just trying to keep the camera in good position between the people passing by to get a video with better quality, I didn't even knew Sony where going to have that demo there, but when I saw it I just stoped where I shouldn't to record the videos for you guys lol
DoubleTake
Member
Hmm I just learned something new! Inverse kinematics thank you! haha
Guys...I'm starting to get hyped for Bloodborne but found myself unable to get into Demon's and have never played Dark Souls. I liked Demon's base design and art but found the stats too obtuse but I like the sound of the combat system in Bloodborne. Am I doomed to not like it/suck immensely?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
An informational barrier is a one-time problem that can be overcome. Just don't force yourself to play it without looking up answers to your questions and you should get into it fine.
If I wasn't already into the series, the way this game looks would force me to get into it, difficulties be damned.
This was probably my problem. I was determined to play Demon's without a guide then my save got lost and I never went back to it.
SteamyPunk
Member
If you're struggling with the game I don't think there's anything wrong with watching a few Let's Play videos from some vets to get a quick look at how things are supposed to work. I initially played the whole game without knowing about lock-on... Frustrating! But once the game clicks with you, you'll be hooked.
DoubleTake
Member
Honestly things like the weapon upgrade system and World Tendency are very obtuse in Demon's so using a guide for those things are perfectly fine.
However, Dark Souls I feel is a bit easier to understand in terms of leveling and weapon upgrades. Also the stat descriptions are right there in the menus if you follow the button prompts.
Imo Bloodborne will feel much like the other Souls games, but with tweaks. If you havent played through either without a shield, or much at all, you may have some trouble getting used to it. But that is a given for anyone new to the souls type of gameplay.
I say go get Dark Souls 1, play it and then come back to Demon's. If there is something you cant wrap your head around system wise no shame in looking it up. Can only help you appreciate the games more.
I get freaked out by games like this so easily, it's only partly why I've never bothered with the Demons/Dark games. My nephew brought over one of them last fall and I played a bit, just didn't like the way his particular character moved or played. Didn't really find the aesthetic appealing at all either. This game is different. Really dig the look. Don't know if I can get past the whole being a puss thing, though.
I would start with Dark Souls. The interconnected world and law are the best of all the Souls. DS2 is more friendly to new players, but is a simpler game over all. I don't recommend Demons because it is a little dated and you may get the wrong impression of the series.
I actually tried playing Demon's Souls once or twice before this leaked, but I never finished. After, it got me really hyped and I finished Demon's and DS1/2 within a couple of weeks. Great games.
I'm not really worried about the framerate. Since it has improved from E3 to Gamescom, it should probably improve again between Gamescom and TGS. And even TGS is a still a number of months before launch (lets say March or April).
I am merely guessing here, but since Bloodborne is being co-developed with Sony JAPAN Studio, that studio should have access to the latest improvements to PS4's SDK / API / drivers, which are being worked on by two teams under Sony -- ICE Team and Razor Team aka SN Systems. There was a thread about that.
As long as Bloodborne is mostly 30fps with only some minor dips here and there, I'll be fine with the framerate.
I am merely guessing here, but since Bloodborne is being co-developed with Sony JAPAN Studio, that studio should have access to the latest improvements to PS4's SDK / API / drivers, which are being worked on by two teams under Sony -- ICE Team and Razor Team aka SN Systems. There was a thread about that.
As long as Bloodborne is mostly 30fps with only some minor dips here and there, I'll be fine with the framerate.
Actually all indications are that Miyazaki manages any and all art for the games he takes lead on. I don't see why this would be any exception and frankly it just screams his style. It's very obvious that his hands are all over this.
As far as the engine goes there seem to indications that this uses the same engine as Demon's Souls. Mostly due to the character movement, animations and sound effects from the demo. Looking at the video it definitely looks closer to Demon's Souls than Dark Souls 2 to me as well. We wont know for sure unless they make an official statement though.
I think it'll be a game that is 30fps with frequent drops to 25fps. Seems to be From Software trademark. I bet they held conference with Sony and said they wouldn't be allowed to help with the game unless they had persistent framerate drops, especially whenever some flying beastie soars overhead. And also inexplicably when a few too many horrific stone toad beasts jump on your face.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
there's gonna be that trademark valley of defilement/blighttown that's gonna fuck up the framerate, wouldn't be a fromsoftware console game without it
TheCongressman1
Member
Old build showing us when torches are handy and how dark it can get:
Lighting for the new build:
Sadly, I won't be happy with it until the game is shipped and permanent. Last time burned me pretty hard.
Don't forget, rolling into a load of barrels! No way the framerate will survive that.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
This. Seems as accurate as predicting that the sun will rise, haha.
And I'm kinda okay with that. Would I prefer stable 30 (or even 60) FPS? Sure. But I did okay in all the previous games on consoles so I know it won't detract from my enjoyment.Oh dear God... not the barrels... why did you have to remind me of the fuggin' barrels!?
This. Seems as accurate as predicting that the sun will rise, haha.
I hope it's at least slightly more stable than Dark Souls tended to be (haven't played DSII yet, how is the framerate there on consoles?), but either way the games tend to be so phenomenal I can usually just begrudgingly accept it. Usually I do dock a point from it if it's severe enough, bringing it to a 9.0 or something. Still some of my all-time favorite games.
Last Uchiha
Banned
me too
I am going to a local videogame conference in about a month's time. I really hope they will have a bloodborne demo there. I need to get my hands on the game.
The framerate is unlocked, so it varies a bit throughout the game. It's never gets as bad as Dark Soul 1's in places like Blighttown and New Londo though.
The framerate is unlocked, so it varies a bit throughout the game. It's never gets as bad as Dark Soul 1's in places like Blighttown and New Londo though.
dddooozzz9
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Cow Goes Moo
Member
Either that guy's weapon is really weak or the boss has a shitton of health.
Did he just "backstab" the boss near the end of the video?
I think I put in over 70 hours into Demon Souls (never got around to souls games) and as a current XBone owner this may be the game that makes me pull the trigger on a PS4. Kinda wish it was classic sword and shield vs sword & gun but looking forward to it none the less. Nothing on my current system like this and a bit envious its not multiplat :/
Net_Wrecker
Member
Don't even worry about it. Bloodborne is about to up the stylish levels through the roof. The Souls series will look like a retirement home by this time next year.
1. Shotgun Parry
2. Swift Dodge
3. Charge weapon transformation strong attack
4. ???
5. Profit
"Like, yeah, there were more potions than you'd expect"
Can someone explain this quote to me? I had so much grass is Demon's Souls and Life gems in Dark Souls II, it was ridiculous. I don't know what kind of expectations someone would have in terms of healing items in a Souls game.
Can someone explain this quote to me? I had so much grass is Demon's Souls and Life gems in Dark Souls II, it was ridiculous. I don't know what kind of expectations someone would have in terms of healing items in a Souls game.
SolidSnakex
Member
This particular demo is unlikely because it's so far out from the actual release of the game. If there is a demo then i'd expect it to be much closer to the release of the game and based on final or near final code. Given how visuals of games have been picked apart this gen, I doubt Sony would want to put it out there in this early state.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Oh hey, the jump's back at 0:40. Cool, I was hoping it'd return, though I wonder if they'll do anything to make it more useable this time. Now I just need the ability to toggle sprint please!
Strange in Stereo
Member
Same for me. Will need the time for The Witcher, Arkham Knight and The Order. Because once Bloodborne is out I'll ignore everything else.
DoubleTake
Member
So when he pulled off that finishing move it looks like the character pulled out a different weapon. Seems like some sort of small dagger or something. Either way that looked very exciting. I just hope from balances the Blood Vial along with the Regain system.
It is hard to tell because all these games look similar despite using a different engine. I wonder if they are really using two or more different engines. Hopefully they will release some technical information sometime before it comes out.
I really want to see more of the areas outside the city like in the leaked trailer and the place that looks like a barn, I like those areas the best so far visually.
Is it just me or do those benches with orange seats in the demo look out of place like they are used for something outside of just being world props?
Seeing as this isn't "Souls", they'll probably have something different. Or nothing at all.
It can be saved, but devs need to be careful if they don't want to sacrifice anything major. If artists take measures to save resources early on, then great, not much optimising to be done. But if all asset production is complete and only the programmers are left to optimise, that's when you start seeing big cutbacks. They will reduce poly count, texture resolution, etc. to get the desired FPS, without taking the art into account.
Depends how far along they are exactly in terms of content completion, but as others have said - in the case of Demon's - it can be fixed in that amount of time. It could be tough, and they have the risk of over-estimating new hardware, but it's not impossible.