Except it's gonna look nearly the same.
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Bungie explains why Destiny 2 is 30 FPS on consoles, even the PS4 Pro (CPU limits)
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Except it's gonna look nearly the same.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Lol come on Kaako
darkistheway
Member
If only there was a platform out there powerful enough to play Destiny 2 at 60 fps...
Go teach them how to do their work if you're so skilled.
It's always easy to talk without knowing nothing how about thing work, what is processed on the background and the kind of task that is done by the CPU etc.
If a dev say that those CPU aren't powerfull enough for their code it's true, stop with those nonsense.
You are mistaken. It was 8x GameCubes duck-taped together, not a pathetic toaster engine.
I mean sure we can settle for reality and some common sense, but where would be the fun in that?
We must reach for the stars and in doing so, inspire these very developers and hardware engineers to do the same. Reach as high as we dream.
Ah, appologies and thanks for the correction. 8x GCs duck-taped sounds much more enticing lol.
Or at 4k/30,or at 1440p,or at 21:9, or whatever preferences you have because it actually gives you a choice. Man, that would be nice.
I mean sure we can settle for reality and some common sense, but where would be the fun in that?
We must reach for the stars and in doing so, inspire these very developers and hardware engineers to do the same. Reach as high as we dream.
If we can convince them to stop being lazy, maybe we can finally evolve this gaming medium!
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
I mean sure we can settle for reality and some common sense, but where would be the fun in that?
We must reach for the stars and in doing so, inspire these very developers and hardware engineers to do the same. Reach as high as we dream.
😊
Calm down dude. I was just kidding.
Being ironic actually. I agree with you.
Too many "devs" in here who thinks making games is easy.
Brings us to an excellent point. Is the quality of work of video game developers entirely dependent on the quality of their fans? Yes. Let us answer with a resounding yes.
Astral Dog
Member
Elegant XD
By Jove, I think you have cracked it!
PeterLegend
Member
To make a game run at 60fps on a console they need to develop around that. IE Battlefield 1, Battlefront.
The Jaguar CPU is weak but they could of dialed some stuff back to achieve 60 fps.
The Jaguar CPU is weak but they could of dialed some stuff back to achieve 60 fps.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I've no issues with it being 30FPS personally.
The game felt good for being 30FPS imo. There's other things that i'd class as more important when looking at Destiny on its own merit, such as the net code/P2P vs dedicated.
Oh and 4v4 PvP only. Seems like a bad idea to me personally. I loved 6v6 Control matches.
Go on Matt ....
The game felt good for being 30FPS imo. There's other things that i'd class as more important when looking at Destiny on its own merit, such as the net code/P2P vs dedicated.
Oh and 4v4 PvP only. Seems like a bad idea to me personally. I loved 6v6 Control matches.
Go on Matt ....
LukasTaves
Member
They did some custom modifications on the core itself, to reduce the overhead from virtualization.
They also have improved the content processors so more tasks are moved away from the cpu, so it's likely there's a larger cpu time available to games on Scorpio than just what the overclock would. How much more being the question.
I don't think it will be at the Microsoft conference.
It will not be 60fps on Scorpio.
funkystudent
Member
I bet it and COD get a quick throw away line. Thats what normally happens with these games and their marketing deals.
So at some point Phil goes "the biggest games of the holidays will be taking full advantage of Scorpio such as COD WW2 and Destiny 2" and a bunch of other games.
Destiny 2 aint gonna be 60 though. Not with a "enhanced jaguar" or whatever they where calling it.
Noisepurge
Member
An "actual" AAA engine
and im saying they are cruncing on different things. 60fps isn't their target. They could do it, surely, if they wanted to.
There are games that are just as good looking or even better and have 1080p 60fps modes.
And Destiny 2 looks good, but it's a slight bump compared to 1 imo, it's not something to write home about.
Also they wouldn't want 60fps players vs 30fps players on consoles (think this is the reason).
Look at Titanfall 2, great looking game, insane amount of effects, and it's 60fps even in full 1440p. Yes it's not open world i know, but there is a heck of a lot more going on than in a 4vs4 Destiny 2 match.
Also i hope the PRO version is more than just a 4k upgrade....... Give me some different GFX modes like many good developers do lately.
This is just my opinion, i have no background in developing at all, it's just my simple view.
And Destiny 2 looks good, but it's a slight bump compared to 1 imo, it's not something to write home about.
Also they wouldn't want 60fps players vs 30fps players on consoles (think this is the reason).
Look at Titanfall 2, great looking game, insane amount of effects, and it's 60fps even in full 1440p. Yes it's not open world i know, but there is a heck of a lot more going on than in a 4vs4 Destiny 2 match.
Also i hope the PRO version is more than just a 4k upgrade....... Give me some different GFX modes like many good developers do lately.
This is just my opinion, i have no background in developing at all, it's just my simple view.
Fucking hell 🙄
Md Ray
Member
Titanfall 2 is actually 1440p (no checkerboard) on PS4 Pro.
Alpha Phoenix
Member
I'm amazed by how many people are pointing fingers at Bungie's engineers in this thread.
I'll see myself out...
I'll see myself out...
Ah okay my bad, fixed.
Negotiator
Member
UC4 MP runs at 60 fps on OG PS4 and it's a 5v5 PvP p2p game with NPCs (sidekicks) as well.
Honestly, I don't expect Destiny 2 PvP to have a high tick rate either, so p2p netcode shouldn't be much of an issue...
I like that 80% of your defence posts use the word "fine". Like, everythings fine, everythings juuuust fine.
What the fuck does "tempo fine for 30fps" mean?? You realize that the reason tons and tons, and tons of people are already complaining about this is because they don't think it's "fine"?
Just one raid isn't fine. It isn't necessarily horrible, but isn't fine.
Showing of the same enemies that were in D1 in your main reveal that you use to build up initial hype isn't fine. It's either telling of a very samey game, or it's incredibly stupid. But it sure as hell isn't fine.
Things aren't fine, and that's why there are all these threads with people being close to outraged about the state of affairs. And no, not only the haters, far from it; even the hardcore D1 players with thousands of hours.
Yeah, exactly. It will get a showcase at Sony but not at MS, aside from a mention.
Coolbgdog12
Member
All they have to do is change the "FPS=60" line in the destiny settings.ini and lower the resolution. Lazy devs.
Go on Matt ....
I think what he means is that at it's core it's still just a modified Jaguar CPU. It might be more modified than any other version of Jaguar seen in a console but at the end of the day it's still based on the Jaguar architecture and will have similar limitations to other chips based on the architecture.
Jimmy_liv
Member
This.
I'm absolutely certain that if they could get it running at 60fps then they would.
It does like very similar to D1 thou
So someone states something they are concerned about, and gives arguments why that is a problem. You counter their argument by stating it's acutally fine; but what you mean is that you personally are just fine with stuff being the way they are. How odd.
This comparison is bad because a) ME:A clearly wasn't finished on launch, b) it's not their own engine (less experience using it), c) it's not the same genre as Destiny or BF.
I am sure they could easily. Damn, they could go 1080p with all manner of effects for IQ etc and maintain 60fps. They are choosing not to, for whatever reason.
Yeh, I was actually trying to allay some concerns by relaying my experience. I was also offering it as a counter for the overall thread. 60fps is wonderful, but Destiny feels really good even at 30fps (at least the first game did, and reports from those who played 2 say it's the same) so I hope people don't write it off before trying.
Yep but Bungie are obviously leaving power on the table by keeping the Pro and Scorpio hamstrung by having to keep parity with the older systems. Will they use it in other ways to improve the IQ? I hope they do but I am not holding my breath.
Perhaps it shouldn't be... but Bungie is the one who claims that AI and physics is what binds the CPU- something that wouldn't be an issue with dedi's.
I think someone can agree to that and also agree that there's no technical reason for Destiny 2's PvP to be 30fps.
And it really sucks that they haven't been grilled on it.
The pro and scorpio use the same CPU.
You expect x2 the performance from a 30% faster CPU? Ok...
Oh shit, I forgot everything in games was done by the same shitty CPU. *slaps forehead* MS might as well scrap Scorpio if its just the same stuff in a different shell!
Who says destiny on PS4 was at peak performance? The weaker XBO matched its resolution and frame rate.
Looks like you forgot to read OP. It specifically says its limited by CPU.
And a strawman, great... Its so fun having discussions with people like you.
Scorpio has ~x5 power of the GPU of the XB1.
But only x1.3 CPU, which is the limiting factor here.
You can slap your forehead all you want. It still wont change the scorpio CPU.
XB1 has a slightly faster CPU than the PS4.
Xflop 1...Believe!