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Bungie explains why Destiny 2 is 30 FPS on consoles, even the PS4 Pro (CPU limits)
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grfunkulus
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Lol wat? Halo 5 resolution check plz. That game looks unfinished. The compromises made to get it to 60 were VAST. Halo 4 was way more impressive on the 360
Devs forget or just don't care about GPGPU compute it seems. Destiny 2 doesn't even look like it pushes base hardware all that hard tbh. It looks great, but not astounding. I'm sure they still got plenty of GPU horsepower left and decided to just leave it at 30fps across the board.
Not true really. You can obviously have 24 player character on screen, along with dozens of enemy AI.
In Firefight, you have 8 players, with even more AI than you'll see in Warzone+ many of those enemies will be in vehicles.
CPU is much more of a factor in getting high framerate.
Programmed around the baseline PS4 and XB1, so they are limited from the start. It's just easier for Bungie to just keep at the standard and offer some IQ and resolution tweaks for Pro and Scorpio owners.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
This is a nice explanation I guess. I dont really care if it is 30 fps.... I'll probably still really enjoy it.
I think you mean 200 flops, good sir.
He is talking about GPGPU.
I think the implication is that if physics and AI running on CPU is the problem, and they have spare GPU power, they could port some of the heavy AI/physics code to the GPU/
But this isn't a trivial task, and you cant do that on xbone. So you will have 2 different versions of the game. One with CPU physics/AI and one with a GPU implementation.
nekkid
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LukasTaves
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Halo 5 uses dynamic res ranging mostly from 900p to 1080p.
And it looks no worse than other 60fps,at least not the ones that actually try to hit that and not just the ones that goes from 40-60
He's talking about CPU speed
Yeah let's not forget that Bungie has to give Acti a HUGE amount of shares in the company if they don't hit in 2017. They don't have an extra 3 months to iron out a locked 60
Bringer Of Bacon
Member
Can they also explain why the game looks identical to D1 but had a 2 behind it?
I could see base consoles being hamstrung by the GPU and would expect them to stick to 30fps. I guess I'm more surprised they aren't putting in the extra work to include it for Scorpio and Pro. Maybe it's parity between base and updated consoles. Maybe they just don't have the time to implement it. Maybe the payoff isn't worth the effort. Still, sad to see the one thing that can help get around the CPU limitations in these machines is mostly ignored by 3rd parties.
The Hermit
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He means gameplay advantage, which is completely fine actually.
Blame the PS4, not the pro.
Probably because they spent most of their time on getting a new engine/pipeline ready and have reused lots of assets from 1. I would assume their number one goal with 2 is to be able to test and iterate much more rapidly so that content drops won't be so spaced apart
Lanrutcon
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At least where PCs are concerned: this is not true.
It doesn't. Materials are improved, particles are improved, lighting is improved, shadows are improved, post processing is improved, weather effects are in, and environments are larger.
Psychoward
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GlamFM
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Pretty sure this turned out to be BS.
Oh joy, flashbacks to 2013 when people who don't know anything about hardware bottlenecks freak out about hardware bottlenecks.
A slight clock improvement in CPU speed isn't going to double the framerate. The overhead would already have to be extremely high for 60 fps to be even remotely possible.
Why do people think companies do this? We know the Scorpio has a weaksauce CPU just like the PS4 pro. If it's not 60 fps on Scorpio (hint: it won't be), then that will be the reason.
A slight clock improvement in CPU speed isn't going to double the framerate. The overhead would already have to be extremely high for 60 fps to be even remotely possible.
Why do people think companies do this? We know the Scorpio has a weaksauce CPU just like the PS4 pro. If it's not 60 fps on Scorpio (hint: it won't be), then that will be the reason.
AstroNut325
Member
This, plus their contractual obligations to meet deadlines this year or lose a lot of stuff. I think, Activision would seize the shares or something.
This is good.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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Well it doesn't so they don't need to explain.
Beer Monkey
Member
This. The real reason is not using dedicated servers.
RichiRamjag
Member
Haha. This thread is wild.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I dont get posts like these.... I just don't. Destiny 2 looks like a new title. It's clear as day.
Sword Of Doom
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Wasnt the same game running on last gen consoles with the same systems? Im being very reductive but it's hard to believe the PS4 Pro and Scorpio can't handle the game at 60fps
Yes bro, someone gotta let Activision/Bungie know to get with the times and develop for actual current gen hardware(Scorpio/PC) as compared to last gen tech(PS4/pro/switch). Imagine the graphics and the amount of tiny particle effects if this was made for Scorpio as baseline. Blinding.
Please note that Gaming Jesus using an Xbox controller, meaning it is the superior console
Finally someone talks some sense. About time Sony went third party.
No it wasn't.
People are assuming that the game's "worlds" are going to be exactly the same size as the first game and have nothing changed.
They have clearly said it's going to be a night and day difference.
Whether that is true remains to be seen, but if it is, people should understand why the CPU is being more taxed in this game than the first.
Because resolution doesn't impact CPU load, which is the bottleneck.
Lol yup destiny 1 AI and all ran fine on the 360/PS3 CPU. They have no reason technically to get it to run 60fps just facts
PeakPointMatrix
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I have a feeling they'll be singing a different tune for Scorpio...
It's GAF. Signing up gets you an arm chair developer degree.
Why is that hard to believe? The Pro and Scorpio CPUs are a very small upgrade over the base systems, regardless of what bullshit buzzwords and jargon Microsoft uses to dupe people into thinking otherwise. You can't really compare it to the last-gen version either, since the CPU-bound effects and systems in place are less advanced/lower fidelity on the older hardware.
Please tell us more about how CPU-bound effects like shadow draw calls are exactly the same on PS3/360.
iRAWRasaurus
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Well i am sure the pro and Scorpio can run 60 fps at 1080p however I know Sony doesn't want games to run 60 fps if the basic PS4 can't run 60 fps. So scale down to the lowest common denominator in a sense.
No, not facts. Only the devs know.
duhmetree
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They could use the GPU to take certain loads off of the CPU
Has Sony ever sent the ICE team to a 3rd party?
Ok you're right. I'll call it my hypothesis
It has been explained that this is not a trivial task for such a large multiplatform game, the the Bone GPU isn't very well suited fore GPU compute.
Why would they run at 60 fps at 1080p? Resolution has very little impact on CPU performance. This is not a GPU-bound game.
Considering Destiny 1 feels fantastic at 30 fps, this is one of the last things I'm worried about. Maybe that's because I only care about PVE, though? I'd rather them focus on problems like linear and recycled mechanics (scan X, defend your ghost) and the story (which, to be fair, they seem to be doing), and the boring playspaces (which they seem to be doing)
Looking at more gameplay today, I can honestly say that there is definitely a difference. However, it is smaller than what I expected esp. for a 30fps title. However, the art direction and atmosphere were selling points for the first one. The expansion in scope of interactivity and dynamic levels are the ones that immediately become apparent.
And truthfully, Bungie's biggest failing lies with story. I and plenty others were left unsatisfied with the content that the game called a campaign, especially, after Bungie said they Destiny was aiming to be the SW of video gaming.