NOLA_Gaffer
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It's the MCU version of the Spider Signal.
I did appreciate Peter explaining how the goggles helped him focus, I thought that was a nice touch that never really occurred to me.
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It's the MCU version of the Spider Signal.
I did appreciate Peter explaining how the goggles helped him focus, I thought that was a nice touch that never really occurred to me.
RellyRell28
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Also I forgot to say it but RIP Peggy Carter that was a pretty touch scene as well pretty much showed why he hung on to Bucky as he's the only living remnant from his time prior to being frozen.
triplestation
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I think falcon is the coolest avenger
He's real and likeable and he doesn't even try
He's real and likeable and he doesn't even try
RellyRell28
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Infinitemadness
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Well, I have my answer if I should buy the crossbones hot toy (No) and a big fuck yes for the Panther Hot toy.
I like how the greatly upped his tool kit. Before he was just a dude with uzis that could fly.
Did he have the wings that could turn into a shield before?
Shmeagatory94
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It's the MCU version of the Spider Signal.
I did appreciate Peter explaining how the goggles helped him focus, I thought that was a nice touch that never really occurred to me.
Whoa, didnt know spiderman had a spider-signal lol
Glass Rebel
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There's only one issue out so far so it's difficult to say but the political/social groundwork he's laid is very interesting.
If you haven't read it yet, pick up Priest's run.
Marvel just copies everything from DC.
The Cretan
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If you haven't read any Black Panther comic, then read Cristopher Priest's Black Panther. I have read the first 24 issues and it's great.
Which one? The one when Spider-Man takes down an ATAT, when Stark is Lando, when Bucky loses a hand, when Bucky gets frozen in Carbonite, when Stark finds out the truth about his father, when the ending is bitter sweet and dangles dozens of major plot threads without feeling at all incomplete as a film, or when the whole movie is the Empire of the MCU and is both a love-letter and an homage to that film from beginning to end?
Zemo showing up just as The Raft is introduced?
We got Thunderbolts coming in Phase 4.
Was expecting Black Panther to be a relatively standalone film. Clearly, that is NOT going to be the case. Awesome.
Youre just bitter because Spidey calls Empire "that really old movie" and you felt ancient
Like I did ;_;
After Ragnarok, Asgard will be moved to Earth. The fallout of Infinity War will be even harsher oversight and the surviving villains taking over the administration. Phase 4 is Siege.
Lol.
If by "bitter" you mean "priapic", then yes. Yes I am.
...And could Spidey have been any more perfect? I felt Garfield came very close, but for me, this is the first time we've truly seen the character from the comics on the big screen. Absolute perfection.
User 479360
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Best thing about the movie? Elizabeth Olsen's corset.
Really enjoyed it overall, though. It was a lot of fun and had quite a few great moments. One of the best superhero movies for sure.
Really enjoyed it overall, though. It was a lot of fun and had quite a few great moments. One of the best superhero movies for sure.
I've been recently trying to get back into comics, but the last comic I can recall reading with Black Panther was during the Red Zone arc with The Avengers, where he breaks Red Skull's jaw in half. I'll give these ones a shot.
Anyway, I was a really bummed out how they handled Zemo. Maybe he'll become BARON Zemo later on (I was hoping to see him in full costume with the Vibranium Sword), but I didn't like how they essentially rehashed the Sokovian victim angle (which they did earlier in the movie). I kinda hope he'll pop up in a later movie, but he does seem kinda 'done' at this point.
_Final_Phoenix_
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Another question - what was up with some of the T'Challa vs Bucky moments?
On the stairwell fight when Bucky was escaping, it looked like is ring was reacting to Bucky's arm, and they both seemed confused (My sister swore there was a sound and a faint red glow). Happened again in the airport fight, there was some sort of noise. Is there something about BP's ring that reacts to metal, or...?
On the stairwell fight when Bucky was escaping, it looked like is ring was reacting to Bucky's arm, and they both seemed confused (My sister swore there was a sound and a faint red glow). Happened again in the airport fight, there was some sort of noise. Is there something about BP's ring that reacts to metal, or...?
PalaceBrother
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Nah he's talking about the Rancor.
These are my very basic impressions I posted in the OT...
...but I wanted to expand on some things here in the spoiler thread.
Going to sound like I'm complaining here but keep in mind I loved the movie. These are just some areas for me I think bring it down from being perfect.
The conflict that Zemo caused between Cap and Stark was great. I have no issue with that. I was Team Cap all the way but completely understood Stark' side of things. My issue was with Zemo's motivations. While not bad exactly it was just common. As in I wish he had a better motivation outside of the same thing we hear all the time. "I lost my family." That's tragic, yes, but gimme something new. I never connected with Zemo at all so his role in the movie came off empty. That motivation worked great with Stark because I was already invested in that character since he'd been around so long. I do appreciate the connectivity between them though. Would have preferred the other Winter Soldiers to be let loose rather than killed. I was super excited for a big fight with all these tough mother fuckers but got nothing. Emphasized only further because they hyped them up a couple of times.
Spider-Man. Love love loved Spider-Man here but I absolutely believe there was a version of the script without him because he didn't matter to the plot in any way, shape or form. As I said in the impressions above he could have been removed entirely and the only difference would be the movie's runtime. Would have preferred a narrative purpose for his appearance other than filling a roster slot.
Vision was basically worthless in the airport battle. Besides the failed attempt to keep Cap and Bucky from the Quinjet, phasing through Giant-Man and accidentally shooting Rhodey down what the hell did he do? He should have been stomping Cap's team like they were punks and instead he was mostly MIA.
What the hell was that bio-weapon stuff about? Cool action scene but if the Battle of New York, the Hyrda stuff in D.C. and the destruction of Sokovia were enough to spawn this idea that the Avengers need to be kept in check that whole scenario at the beginning of the movie was unneeded fluff.
Very minor nitpick but I didn't like the location text taking up the whole screen. Bothered me for some reason.
Anyway, nothing too major. Still a great movie.
...but I wanted to expand on some things here in the spoiler thread.
Going to sound like I'm complaining here but keep in mind I loved the movie. These are just some areas for me I think bring it down from being perfect.
The conflict that Zemo caused between Cap and Stark was great. I have no issue with that. I was Team Cap all the way but completely understood Stark' side of things. My issue was with Zemo's motivations. While not bad exactly it was just common. As in I wish he had a better motivation outside of the same thing we hear all the time. "I lost my family." That's tragic, yes, but gimme something new. I never connected with Zemo at all so his role in the movie came off empty. That motivation worked great with Stark because I was already invested in that character since he'd been around so long. I do appreciate the connectivity between them though. Would have preferred the other Winter Soldiers to be let loose rather than killed. I was super excited for a big fight with all these tough mother fuckers but got nothing. Emphasized only further because they hyped them up a couple of times.
Spider-Man. Love love loved Spider-Man here but I absolutely believe there was a version of the script without him because he didn't matter to the plot in any way, shape or form. As I said in the impressions above he could have been removed entirely and the only difference would be the movie's runtime. Would have preferred a narrative purpose for his appearance other than filling a roster slot.
Vision was basically worthless in the airport battle. Besides the failed attempt to keep Cap and Bucky from the Quinjet, phasing through Giant-Man and accidentally shooting Rhodey down what the hell did he do? He should have been stomping Cap's team like they were punks and instead he was mostly MIA.
What the hell was that bio-weapon stuff about? Cool action scene but if the Battle of New York, the Hyrda stuff in D.C. and the destruction of Sokovia were enough to spawn this idea that the Avengers need to be kept in check that whole scenario at the beginning of the movie was unneeded fluff.
Very minor nitpick but I didn't like the location text taking up the whole screen. Bothered me for some reason.
Anyway, nothing too major. Still a great movie.
Killing the Winter Soldiers was dumb because they closed the door on doing a Winter Soldier "solo" movie based on Brubaker's comics. That would have been super fucking rad if they have Bucky and Black Widow going around the world tying up his loose ends and facing his past in a tight Russian espionage thriller. Now we'll never get that.
I agree with your point on Zemo having a generic motivation, but I feel that the aim isn't for us to sympathize with him, but rather to have a villain who sticks around in the future who is basically a creation of the Avengers, and not in the sense Ultron was either. A psychopathic human who was let loose into the world as a result of their actions. They tried that with Whiplash, but then they made the mistake of cutting all his character scenes out of the film and then killing him off. At least they're not making that same mistake here.
I agree with your point on Zemo having a generic motivation, but I feel that the aim isn't for us to sympathize with him, but rather to have a villain who sticks around in the future who is basically a creation of the Avengers, and not in the sense Ultron was either. A psychopathic human who was let loose into the world as a result of their actions. They tried that with Whiplash, but then they made the mistake of cutting all his character scenes out of the film and then killing him off. At least they're not making that same mistake here.
MuddyDonut
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Loved that scene. Very hyped for Black Panther!!
I agree about the location text. It was bizarrely big, had an odd font, and looked like something out of a commercial or a TV show.
About the airport, I felt like that was the problem with Wanda's and Vision's powers -- they've been shown as CRAZY strong so they just auto-win without contrived obstacles. Wanda tossed 2-3 people around like nothing, then vanished for a while so the normal people could fight, I felt like.
The most believable solution would be that Vision and Wanda were off fighting each other, but I don't think they'd really want to do that.
I liked what they did with Zemo. I liked that it wasn't some Asgardian God, or a killer robot, or Hydra, that tore the Avengers apart. It was just a grieving father with a plan. Something so ordinary and small turned these super-beings, these near gods against each other. Makes it that much more apparent how fragile it all is.
Finished watching it about 30 minutes ago. Wow, it was good. The fight scenes were awesome. Theres only 2 things that really bothered me about the whole story though
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RDJ and Cheadle are showing their age, gotta get going on that infinity wars movies before we get an iron man that has to be in a walker.
Tony gets 36 hours, and goes all the way to new york to find a kid to be on his team and gets him a suit he already has ready as if he would 100% join him no questions asked just to fly all the way back to have their epic fight, seems costly waste of time
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Tony is a smart guy, he also knows what hydra is capable of, yet the last fight scene, he gets vengeance rage at someone who had no free will of his own when it happened. He couldn't do anything to stop himself from murdering the starks, bucky is innocent.
RDJ and Cheadle are showing their age, gotta get going on that infinity wars movies before we get an iron man that has to be in a walker.
kinoki
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I'd love a Winter Soldier & Black Widow movie. Can we get the Russos for that after they're done with Avengers 3 & 4, please?
I'm happy that they're acknowledging the major flaws in MCU in Civil War: third acts explod'em'ups and killing off the villain. I hope this trend sticks but I have a bad feeling about Doctor Strange since it's pretty much aligning to that sort of movie all over again. But I'm trying to stay optimistic.
That doesn't really stop other people in the movies either. Obviously the Avengers didn't MEAN to accidentally hit someone with a bomb, or drop building scraps on people while saving the world, yet they still apparently get blamed for it.
Learning your parents were murdered by someone, and someone else is defending that person by using technology your dad created, is still pretty emotionally impactful.
3rd act is a deliberate fake out on how these stories usually end (team up against a villain) and I loved it.
Cap literally mentioned that before the last fight. At that point, Tony didn't care. His parents' deaths were actually murders and the person he called a friend for years is protecting him? All reason went out the window.
AdmiralSnackbar
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Did anyone else think Black Widow's stun thing she used on Panther seemed really video-gamey?
He can get out of it in like five seconds but she just hits him with it again like it's a bad fighting game.
I'm so happy they got Spiderman to work, the casting for these movies really couldn't be any better.
He can get out of it in like five seconds but she just hits him with it again like it's a bad fighting game.
I'm so happy they got Spiderman to work, the casting for these movies really couldn't be any better.
Yup, one of my favourite aspects of the movie
Not to mention that his best friend was just paralyzed by this whole mess
Wanda was a lot better in that fight than Vision. She was basically running point guard the entire time, it was great. Dunno what Vision was doing that whole time. I do remember him taking a few massive blows like it was nothing though, that was great. He really felt invincible but that made his absence amid the action even worse.
I agree. I really dug Zemo as a villain.
The "you killed my family I want revenge" motive is great when it's built up. The final arc showed that with Tony vs Cap being super emotional. Didn't work with Zemo because he had no time. We didn't even get to see his wife and kid, and for a huge majority of the movie it's find report, listen to message. Hard to be sympathetic towards that.
Manmademan
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I don't see how cap was wrong there.
I was wondering why he couldn't just jump out of the way, what with his reflexes and all. I mean instead of just walking forward.
I'd have to watch it again, but maybe she had him stunlocked? Nat been playing FromSouls games.
Vault Dweller 111
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FUCK that was SOOOOO good.
I still don't quite understand Zemo's plan and people tried to explain it to me a few times in this thread, but the motivation and tone of the character was perfect to me.
I wouldn't be surprised if phase 4 was indeed a siege kind of situation with Zemo acting kind of like Osborn. Otoh, we might have actual Osborn now.
I wouldn't be surprised if phase 4 was indeed a siege kind of situation with Zemo acting kind of like Osborn. Otoh, we might have actual Osborn now.
Cap was right though. The main reason I side with Cap is that he's never ever an instigator. He's a protector throughout the whole thing. All he wants is to protect Bucky from being unjustly killed because that's exactly what would have happened had he not intervened.
But Cap being right doesn't mean Tony was wrong either, at least not behind the principle of the Accords.
jadedm17
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The balance was really well done, that was my first thought.
Zemo gets recruited by Ross to lead the Thunderbolts into battle against Thanos.
And gets rekked.
Manmademan
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Zemo was built up more than enough. It's made plain as day that ordinary people were getting caught up in the fallout of superhero fistfights. Enough that 117 countries signed on to a plan to rein them in. Footage of new York, DC, and sokovia were shown with civilians screaming, and they didn't even bother showing what happened in Africa in AoU which is probably the worst example.
The woman at the elevator makes Zemos point for him before he even shows up. The avengers are getting people killed despite their intentions, and losing those you love and are invested in can drive you to do irrational things. The only difference between zemo and that woman was that zemo had the experience and patience to actually enact some kind of revenge on the planet's most powerful.
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