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[Divvy]

Loved this movie. It just flowed and didn't let up the action.

BTW, was the Bucky gunshot to Tony's hand get taken out or did I fall asleep at some point?

It was there, dunno how you missed it lol

 

[roflwaffles]

Solid 8.5/10 for me. Second best MCU movie next to Winter Soldier.

 

[CazTGG]

yo where the fuck was Nick?

Following the path of the righteous man before chewing out Tony in Infinity War or whatever they end up calling it.

 

[JackBauer24]

It was there, dunno how you missed it lol

😂 Honestly can't remember a time when Tony was in the same room as him when he was wearing his non-suit suit. Was it when Bucky broke out of the prison?

 

[Lach]

Zemo was built up more than enough. It's made plain as day that ordinary people were getting caught up in the fallout of superhero fistfights. Enough that 117 countries signed on to a plan to rein them in. Footage of new York, DC, and sokovia were shown with civilians screaming, and they didn't even bother showing what happened in Africa in AoU which is probably the worst example.

That kinda bothered me. New York, Sokovia, Lagos were all examples where the Avengers had to go all out in fighting a powerful enemy and people died in the desctruction that caused. In AoU it was two Avengers fighting each other (even though one of them was out of control) and they used a city as their playground, which you'd think would be the biggest argument for the accords.

 

[massoluk]

Oh yeah, I'm at least glad the river of truth speech made it in, but some what pitied that it wasn't Cap that made the speech

 

[Divvy]

😂 Honestly can't remember a time when Tony was in the same room as him when he was wearing his non-suit suit. Was it when Bucky broke out of the prison?

Yeah, I guess it goes by pretty quick. He pulls out his watch glove thing and shoots Bucky with a concussion blast or something, then gets handled by Buckey, then Sharon and Widow come in to fight Bucky

That kinda bothered me. New York, Sokovia, Lagos were all examples where the Avengers had to go all out in fighting a powerful enemy and people died in the desctruction that caused. In AoU it was two Avengers fighting each other (even though one of them was out of control) and they used a city as their playground, which you'd think would be the biggest argument for the accords.

Maybe MCU Earth is like real Earth where people don't care about what happens in Africa

Spoiler

Unless Wakanda is involved

 

[neorej]

I loved how even the Russos, or Ross for that matter, doesn't give a shit about Thor 2 and it's destruction of London.

Kinda sad they didn't mention the African city where Hulk and Stark went ape-shit.

 

[guek]

That kinda bothered me. New York, Sokovia, Lagos were all examples where the Avengers had to go all out in fighting a powerful enemy and people died in the desctruction that caused. In AoU it was two Avengers fighting each other (even though one of them was out of control) and they used a city as their playground, which you'd think would be the biggest argument for the accords.

Maybe they just didn't want to piss of Hulk. Better safe than smashed

 

[Donos]

Loved this movie. It just flowed and didn't let up the action.

BTW, was the Bucky gunshot to Tony's hand get taken out or did I fall asleep at some point?

Was still in. After Zemo reseted Bucky and Bucky tried to flee the Berlin facility. Tony, Widow and then Tchalla tried to stop him. Then Cap with helicopter scene.

 

[duckroll]

Oh they can be suspicious of it, as they should be. But the Avengers have no right to just ignore that authority.

Since when did the UN have any authority over what private citizens do? The argument here isn't really about legalizing vigilantes, it's about the UN wanting the Avengers to be their superhuman taskforce. Signing the Accords means agreeing to that. As people they have the right to disagree with that.

 

[JackBauer24]

Yeah, I guess it goes by pretty quick. He pulls out his watch glove thing and shoots Bucky with a concussion blast or something, then gets handled by Buckey, then Sharon and Widow come in to fight Bucky

At least I got to see Tony eject himself from the helicopter. That was pretty badass.

 

[Cuburt]

Tony got shook as did the audience when cap was bashing that shield on his dome but cap showed his true colors and broke the power source with the final blow. Best Superman.

I loved that. I felt that too, Cap just fucking hammering on Tony's head and then when that helmet falls off, you just clench your teeth like is he going to deliver the finishing blow?

So good.

 

[Nesotenso]

I loved it.

Felt Zemo's plan felt into place a little too perfectly (or maybe he planned to use what he learnt later). Also got confused where everyone is at a moment with respect to everyone else with the locations changing.

can overlook these nitpicks.

 

[Aske]

I dunno man, Zemo's monologue at the end really worked for me to drive the point home. I can't remember the exact line but it something like "After Sokovia, what happened to the Avengers? They went home." I'd be thinking fuck those guys too.

Why? Sokovia was Ultron's fault. If anything, blame Stark for creating a weapon of mass destruction; don't blame the other Avengers for cleaning up the mess that followed. Without the Avengers, Loki and the Chitauri destroy/conquor the world. Failing that, Hydra consumes SHIELD and conquors the world. Failing that, billionaire genius Tony Stark creats Ultron, which destroys/conquors the world.

So far, the Avengers as a group have done nothing but good. Only the ignorant or selfish have any reason to hate them.

 

[duckroll]

The biggest accomplishment about the movie Civil War is that we can even argue about this at all. In the Civil War comic, the only thing we would be arguing about after it ends, is HOW bad it was. Not about who was right or wrong.

 

[Renekton]

I loved how even the Russos, or Ross for that matter, doesn't give a shit about Thor 2 and it's destruction of London.

They probably prefer to blame Cameron for that.

 

[Matt]

Since when did the UN have any authority over what private citizens do? The argument here isn't really about legalizing vigilantes, it's about the UN wanting the Avengers to be their superhuman taskforce. Signing the Accords means agreeing to that. As people they have the right to disagree with that.

Right...except that would mean in the 117 countries that signed the Accords, the Avengers would be breaking the law by acting without the UN's approval. So when the Avengers try to stop a terrorist in Nigeria, the Nigerian police would try to arrest them. Which the Avengers should submit to, because they did, in fact, break the law.

 

[Divvy]

Since when did the UN have any authority over what private citizens do? The argument here isn't really about legalizing vigilantes, it's about the UN wanting the Avengers to be their superhuman taskforce. Signing the Accords means agreeing to that. As people they have the right to disagree with that.

It's also about how often the Avengers violate soverignty, and being part of the UN would sanction them going into other countries legally. I'm pretty sure, Cap, Wanda, Widow and Falcon didn't get travel Visas to go to Nigeria to fight Crossbones.

 

[rec0ded1]

Oh they can be suspicious of it, as they should be. But the Avengers have no right to just ignore that authority.

I think they can ignore it when aliens are invading the planet. Authority will just be like "let's nuke them brehs"

 

[IconGrist]

I dunno man, Zemo's monologue at the end really worked for me to drive the point home. I can't remember the exact line but it something like "After Sokovia, what happened to the Avengers? They went home." I'd be thinking fuck those guys too.

But you're right about Stark. He was trying to absolve his own guilt by playing along with public sentiment. There were good intentions behind it all to be sure but for him, it was more about looking for accountability than protecting the people that need protection. The unfortunate reality though is that all that leads to is bureaucracy.

Honestly if you had put Zemo in her place the movie would have just moved right along and I probably wouldn't even have had the issue in the first place. It was such a good scene it might have elevated Zemo for me if it had been him instead.

 

[Alienous]

Tony sounds like Charlie Sheen when he's describing that woman's kid.

 

[Matt]

I think they can ignore it when aliens are invading the planet. Authority will just be like "let's nuke them brehs"

Well, ok. If the Avengers feel it is a moral imperative to ignore that authority, they are breaking the law, and should be willing to take the punishment for it.

 

[JackBauer24]

Am I a monster for not understanding why Tony would still flip out at Bucky knowing that he's clearly been brainwashed into doing it?

 

[Aske]

Eventually, all governments exists at the will of their people, and internationally those governments come together to form the UN. Whatever flaws there are in that realm (and of course they are innumerable), it's still the best system we have, and I can't abide this small group of individuals coming together and thinking their own beliefs should override that, no matter how good I know their intentions are.

Rights and laws exist because people create them. I'd argue that the law needs to catch up to the Avengers and grant them those rights, rather than try to fit them into a geopolitical hierarchy which could only impede their efforts to help people.

The biggest accomplishment about the movie Civil War is that we can even argue about this at all. In the Civil War comic, the only thing we would be arguing about after it ends, is HOW bad it was. Not about who was right or wrong.

Painfully true. This was the Civil War we deserved.

 

[ezekial45]

What was the name of the song they used to introduce Peter in Queens?

 

[Blizzard]

Am I a monster for not understanding why Tony would still flip out at Bucky knowing that he's clearly been brainwashed into doing it?

Because a longtime friend was protecting the person you just learned murdered both your parents, and the same friend hid it from you, and watching your father and mother be not just murdered, but slowly bludgeoned and choked to death, makes people behave irrationally.

 

[Matt]

Rights and laws exist because people create them and people grant them. I'd argue that the law needs to catch up to the Avengers and grant them those rights, rather than try to fit them into a geopolitical hierarchy which could only impede their efforts to help people.

You may be right that that's how it should be, but the Avengers do not have the right to unilaterally make it that way.

 

[properpropaganda]

How did Tony know Peter was Spiderman?

 

[DrForester]

Tony flipping at the last minute, knowing Bucky had been brainwashed, and immediately following Zemo telling him his whole purpose was to get them to fight, was a little off, but I think it worked alright.


Overall, a great film. Black Panther was fantastic. Spiderman was wasted. No reason for him to be in the film, and other than some fanservice, contributed absolutely nothing.

 

[Alienous]

Am I a monster for not understanding why Tony would still flip out at Bucky knowing that he's clearly been brainwashed into doing it?

Because Bucky killed his mom.

There's no reason to flip out on anyone in the real world too - everyone acts in accordance with their programming (bad parenting, mental disorders). But that doesn't mean you'll be rational if they do something wrong by you.

 

[mariachi507]

Holy shit! Never made that connection.

 

[duckroll]

Right...except that would mean in the 117 countries that signed the Accords, the Avengers would be breaking the law by acting without the UN's approval. So when the Avengers try to stop a terrorist in Nigeria, the Nigerian police would try to arrest them. Which the Avengers should submit to, because they did, in fact, break the law.

It's also about how often the Avengers violate soverignty, and being part of the UN would sanction them going into other countries legally. I'm pretty sure, Cap, Wanda, Widow and Falcon didn't get travel Visas to go to Nigeria to fight Crossbones.

These are valid points and is something which I think we will see explored in future films now that they are fugitives. But in the context of the Civil War movie, it is hard to see how Steve is wrong. He simply agreed not to sign as an individual because he felt it wasn't right. 117 countries being against him doesn't change his viewpoint. His moral stand is not a popularity contest.

Well, ok. If the Avengers feel it is a moral imperative to ignore that authority, they are breaking the law, and should be willing to take the punishment for it.

They did. When he recruited the other heroes, he told them they would be breaking the law and be seen as criminals. That's the price they were willing to pay to go after Zemo and clear Bucky's name.

 

[Divvy]

Because a longtime friend was protecting the person you just learned murdered both your parents, and the same friend hid it from you, and watching your father and mother be not just murdered, but slowly bludgeoned and choked to death, makes people behave irrationally.

On that note, the whole murder thing was "no witnesses"...yet Bucky slowly took the time to beat them up / choke them, and THEN pulled out a gun to shoot the security camera he apparently realized was there? Shouldn't he have shot the camera first, then shot them quickly, then left?

His best friend was also just paralyzed because Steve was protecting Bucky

These are valid points and is something which I think we will see explored in future films now that they are fugitives. But in the context of the Civil War movie, it is hard to see how Steve is wrong. He simply agreed not to sign as an individual because he felt it wasn't right. 117 countries being against him doesn't change his viewpoint. His moral stand is not a popularity contest.


They did. When he recruited the other heroes, he told them they would be breaking the law and be seen as criminals. That's the price they were willing to pay to go after Zemo and clear Bucky's name.

I mean, I don't think Steve is wrong either. It's pretty well written in terms of giving both sides a good argument.

 

[Rootbeer]

Still reeling from my 7PM IMAX showing :3 It was almost a religious experience, haha. They have this down to such an art form. Loved Spidey and Panther so much!

#TeamCap always and forever

What was the name of the song they used to introduce Peter in Queens?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRWUoDpo2fo

 

[z4chc3na]

Oh yeah, I'm at least glad the river of truth speech made it in, but some what pitied that it wasn't Cap that made the speech

Drawing a blank. Who said it in the film?

 

[IconGrist]

Because a longtime friend was protecting the person you just learned murdered both your parents, and the same friend hid it from you, and watching your father and mother be not just murdered, but slowly bludgeoned and choked to death for some reason, makes people behave irrationally.

Yea, it wasn't so much the knowledge of the event on its own but the knowledge, plus the realization of a lie and the visual impact. That's one ugly fuckin' concoction.

 

[Blizzard]

Drawing a blank. Who said it in the film?

New Carter said it at the funeral.

His best friend was also just paralyzed because Steve was protecting Bucky

Good point and I forgot about that.


On the Bucky note, the whole murder order was "no witnesses"...yet Bucky slowly took the time to beat them up / choke them, and THEN pulled out a gun to shoot the security camera he apparently realized was there? Shouldn't he have shot the camera first, then shot them quickly, then left?

 

[blankempathy]

That kinda bothered me. New York, Sokovia, Lagos were all examples where the Avengers had to go all out in fighting a powerful enemy and people died in the desctruction that caused. In AoU it was two Avengers fighting each other (even though one of them was out of control) and they used a city as their playground, which you'd think would be the biggest argument for the accords.

Which would of been worse had there not been a safeguard Tony and Banner worked on to have in place. Ultimately while the accords may have not been the best solution the avengers definitely need to have some type of backup and support that focus on keeping people safe and not solely for fighting. That and maybe not chase after fleeing armed terrorists through busy cities in case they decide to blow themselves up. Work on tony on some type of tracking software or something to keep suspects in sight without having to recklessly fight them because otherwise they'll get away.

 

[roflwaffles]

Loved the airport fight, but it was a bit strange how it ended with Vision accidentally shooting down Rhodey.

Was he trying to kill Falcon?

 

[z4chc3na]

What was the name of the song they used to introduce Peter in Queens?

"Left Hand Free" by alt-j

 

[DrForester]

Something that surprised me from the #teamcap side. Not once did they make the argument for Bucky that he was to be shot on sight without any due process.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Spiderman was wasted. No reason for him to be in the film, and other than some fanservice, contributed absolutely nothing.

Boo this man

 

[Blizzard]

Loved the airport fight, but it was a bit strange how it ended with Vision accidentally shooting down Rhodey.

Was he trying to kill Falcon?

Someone said for him to hit the power source and turn Falcon's suit into a glider. Falcon would have been fine I think.

 

[Zackat]

God damn I am so hyped for the spider-man movie now. He was so goood! It will be fun to see how much stronger he gets every movie.

 

[Alienous]

Loved the airport fight, but it was a bit strange how it ended with Vision accidentally shooting down Rhodey.

Was he trying to kill Falcon?

Shoot his thrusters so he would be forced to glide. Rhodey asks Vision to do that.

 

[kurahador]

Am I a monster for not understanding why Tony would still flip out at Bucky knowing that he's clearly been brainwashed into doing it?

You have to remember the Tony Stark scene earlier in the movie. His parents death was his most traumatic experience he had and having a hard time moving on.
Seeing that video pretty much pushes him over the edge.

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

Loved the airport fight, but it was a bit strange how it ended with Vision accidentally shooting down Rhodey.

Was he trying to kill Falcon?

The order was to cripple (Ouch) Falcon's jetpack so he could only descend with a glide, not out-right blow it apart. Neither Vision nor Rhodey counted on Falcon doing his sick dodge-dive maneuver.

 

[Matt]

They did. When he recruited the other heroes, he told them they would be breaking the law and be seen as criminals. That's the price they were willing to pay to go after Zemo and clear Bucky's name.

But then they broke out of jail. Which is wrong.

 

[Divvy]

Loved the airport fight, but it was a bit strange how it ended with Vision accidentally shooting down Rhodey.

Was he trying to kill Falcon?

Nah, Rhodey tells Vision to turn Falcon from a booster to a glider.