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Character Models: Ratchet & Clank PS5 vs Toy Story 1995
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Kev Kev
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i dont know why, but i also enjoy itWhy are we always comparing next gen to ToyStory?
I couldn't wait for this thread.
and i dont think we are that close to toy story level graphics. closer, but still far out
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
we've surpassed toy story for a while now. left is TS1 and right is KH3
i'd say we've not only surpassed TS1 but maybe 2 as well now if these PS5 screenshots are representative of what we actually get. Toy Story 3 is a long time away and 4 is just crazy good looking.
these images below are taken directly from the 4K blu ray so not promotional renders.
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
i'd say we've not only surpassed TS1 but maybe 2 as well now if these PS5 screenshots are representative of what we actually get. Toy Story 3 is a long time away and 4 is just crazy good looking.
these images below are taken directly from the 4K blu ray so not promotional renders.
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
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alabtrosMyster
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Ths image is also not from the movie, it looks like a promotional rendershot.
Hawking Radiation
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Extremely far voters:
Say a prayer or Get your eyes checked
Say a prayer or Get your eyes checked
Agnostic2020
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Lol wtf ? 95 Tolstoy was surpassed in ratchet ps4 . Or kingsom hearts 3 . Ratchet Ps5 is way ahead of toy story 95
No, this is gameplay:
What you have there are just cinematics. Can’t believe people don’t know the difference between cutscenes and gameplay lol are you really so much in denial? Like really? It’s absolutely clear that those are cutscenes, and that the real Gameplay looks completely different. Just look at the video.
this is ingame gameplay graphics
Optimistic Gamer
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Astral Dog
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This, i don't get the obsession with comparing videogames with Toy Story 1.movies and games have drastically different needs and priorities. there is never gonna a perfect comparison between those two because there doesn't need to be one.
And they use drastically different artstyles too, anyways for me modern videogames are more pleasing to look than Toy Story 1, plus modern systems take advantage of newer tech that wasn't available at the time of making Toy Story, despite consoles being far less powerful than the computers used.
MasterCornholio
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No, this is gameplay:
What you have there are just cinematics. Can’t believe people don’t know the difference between cutscenes and gameplay lol are you really so much in denial? Like really? It’s absolutely clear that those are cutscenes, and that the real Gameplay looks completely different. Just look at the video.
this is ingame gameplay graphics
But the cinematics are real time right? Which means the console is capable of rendering models of that quality. That's why I posted the image.
It's like saying that the XSX isn't capable of HellBlade 2 because the footage they showed was a cinematic.
I don't think you understood the point of my OP.
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Astral Dog
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Toy Story 3 is still so gorgeous that at times i think it looks better than 4we've surpassed toy story for a while now. left is TS1 and right is KH3
i'd say we've not only surpassed TS1 but maybe 2 as well now if these PS5 screenshots are representative of what we actually get. Toy Story 3 is a long time away and 4 is just crazy good looking.
these images below are taken directly from the 4K blu ray so not promotional renders.
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
its the beautiful looking rooms full of toys and color,perfect for the movie
4 looks more realistic, but also a bit drab next to 3 like its for a different series
Ma-Yuan
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There is a lot of stuff off. Including a clipping error with is hand if I see this right. I am also not sure if the are reflected in the base of the lamp.
Silver Wattle
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Toy story textures are garbage, case closed.
kebaldo
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No, this is gameplay:
What you have there are just cinematics. Can’t believe people don’t know the difference between cutscenes and gameplay lol are you really so much in denial? Like really? It’s absolutely clear that those are cutscenes, and that the real Gameplay looks completely different. Just look at the video.
this is ingame gameplay graphics
Even in that screenshot it looks better than Toy Story 1 lol lets put this in an not console war way: in this gen we will have things looking better than TS1 on Ps5 and Series X... R&C and Kena are the proof.
Gamernyc78
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There was so much gameplay tht looked unbelievable in that ratchet ps5 presentation lol why would you even say tht? I guess it looks too beautiful to believe.
MasterCornholio
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(both pure gameplay screens hots)
Use your eyes and turn off the console war part of the brain lol
The point of my OP wasn't to console war. The 1st toy story has always been a benchmark to games like Ratchet and Clank. Was only asking for people's opinions on his close we got.
Also I thought it was fair to use a cutscene because it was being rendered real time on the actual console.
If you have evidence that what I posted was fake and not running on the console I'll change the screen shots.
Edit: If there's one thing that I wanted to avoid was to compare gameplay from Rift Apart to gameplay from a Toy Story game. I don't think it would have made an interesting discussion and it really isn't fair since the game was being rendered on a really old console. The Toy Story movie was done on a render farm so I thought it would have been nice to see how close we got to it.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
1st Toy Story is hard to beat and Ratchet and Clank has the luxury of having modern technology.
Agent X
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Both of these post made some good points. Without scrutinizing every little detail, there are already a few games that are "close enough" to the visual appearance of Toy Story. Most people aren't going to be analyzing ray-traced reflections while they're busy dodging bullets and blasting bad guys.
You're right, but this is a moving target. Just like video game graphics have gradually improved throughout the years, so has the quality of prerendered CGI for movies. In that regard, video games might never truly catch up.
As others have said earlier in this thread. Toy Story is (and has been) a notable point of comparison, due to its technological impact and long-lasting popularity. This is why we're having this discussion. I don't expect a 2020 video game to match a 2020 movie, but even to have it approximate a well-known 1995 movie is a remarkable achievement.
SilentUser
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100% agreed. Other games also looks better than Toy Story 1.
yurqqa
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DeepEnigma
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No, this is gameplay:
What you have there are just cinematics. Can’t believe people don’t know the difference between cutscenes and gameplay lol are you really so much in denial? Like really? It’s absolutely clear that those are cutscenes, and that the real Gameplay looks completely different. Just look at the video.
this is ingame gameplay graphics
Oh I do know the difference.
My comment went way over your head. Hope you figure it out soon.
still, we have to look at the actual gameplay graphics, where you can actually play the game.
what’s the use of some cutscenes? Doesn’t really matter though.
what’s important are really nextgen GAMEPLAY screenshots.
I mean just look at the CGI lastgen in the FFXV, looks even better than this. Easily.
SoloKingRobert
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DeepEnigma
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No, we do not. This is comparing graphics, cut scene to cut scene, and if a home system can draw in real time the graphics in a cut scene that can rival the equipment needed with a grueling process to just get one frame for CGI film, that’s damned impressive and shows we have come along way with tech advancement.
Toy Story doesn’t have any gameplay.
Your gameplay screenshots are also disingenuously cherry picked. Not even from PS5 source material, but low rez bitrate video re-uploaded in 720p. There are far better bitrate (Like the official 4K video) and/or direct captures than the one’s you provided. I see what you are trying to do.
Edit: oh, another one of this FUD alts, goodness.
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DeepEnigma
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True. This is Halo 2 from Xbox 360
That’s not Halo 2, and that wasn’t in “real time” like they are starting to do now on the current and next gen systems.
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JohnnyFootball
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A feature that I ALWAYS disable.
Alien Isolation was the only game that I kept that feature on. Same with chromatic aberation.
diffusionx
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Pixar re-rendered the original Toy Story in 2010, and they said it took 2-4 minutes per frame on their farm. A few people on reddit have said that a 2080TI based setup could theoretically render the movie in realtime.
I’ll leave it to others to verify, and of course the 2080TI is more powerful than PS5, but the point is that we are getting close... although Toy Story 2 is far beyond the first, something that even a layman could have seen back then.
www.quora.com
I’ll leave it to others to verify, and of course the 2080TI is more powerful than PS5, but the point is that we are getting close... although Toy Story 2 is far beyond the first, something that even a layman could have seen back then.
How much faster would it be to render Toy Story in 2011 compared to how long it took in 1995?
Answer (1 of 2): I don't have the exact numbers on hand but, when the 3D team recomputed it for rerelease I'm told it took mere days to render what took us months in 1995. Computers are way faster now, and we have more of them. Our render times per frame have stayed pretty much flat for the last...
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OutrageousFacts
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Op, isn't the question though: Do we *want* video games to look like a movie from 19-halfofyouwerentbornbackthen-95?
I think video games this generation, even on Switch, have managed to look better than Toy Story 1 overall. No, of course not in terms of post-processing effects and such, but whether it's Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Infamous: Second Son or Halo 5, these are more pleasant to look at than Toy Story 1 which simply is way too simple, no matter how many effects it might feature.
This posting justifies this thread's existence. Thank you, good sir.
I think video games this generation, even on Switch, have managed to look better than Toy Story 1 overall. No, of course not in terms of post-processing effects and such, but whether it's Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Infamous: Second Son or Halo 5, these are more pleasant to look at than Toy Story 1 which simply is way too simple, no matter how many effects it might feature.
This posting justifies this thread's existence. Thank you, good sir.
ThatStupidLion
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If you go back and watch the first TS its visual quality hasnt aged well AT ALL.
Honestly, id say weve surpassed it already.
Honestly, id say weve surpassed it already.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart PS5
Toy Story 1995
So just looking at the character models of the 1st Toy Story film and comparing it to the new Ratchet and Clank A Tear in Time PS5 game, does anyone think that we are close or do we have a really long ways to go to reach that level?
I thought it might be fun to look at these types of games and see how far the industry has evolved.
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Just for fun here's what Ratchet looked like in the first game.
Why compare Ratchet and Clank to Toy Story and not KH3 to Toy Story? Far better comparison, IMO.
KH3 already gave us almost perfect recreations of modern Pixar characters. I would argue it looked *better* than the original Toy Story, though Sully's hair still wasn't quite on the level of the Monsters Inc film.
itsjustJEFF
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I think it's more telling that we're suing the first Toy Story. Yes, I think R&C looks better, but Toy Story is old as shit LOL games will have a very very hard time ever competing with offline rendered artwork, it just will. Maybe when quantum computing becomes a thing this will no longer be a valid conversation topic, my fingers are crossed!
PPIMystaceus
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Toy Story 2 looks a lot better than I remember. I thought it was modestly better than 1, but no, that's a big step up.we've surpassed toy story for a while now. left is TS1 and right is KH3
i'd say we've not only surpassed TS1 but maybe 2 as well now if these PS5 screenshots are representative of what we actually get. Toy Story 3 is a long time away and 4 is just crazy good looking.
these images below are taken directly from the 4K blu ray so not promotional renders.
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Toy Story 4
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PPIMystaceus
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Those are pre-rendered FMV shots. Ratchet's cutscenes are not pre-rendered, they're real time. Also that's Xbox One, not 360.True. This is Halo 2 from Xbox 360
Vawn
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Modern day CGI, sure. But, it surpassed early CGI like Toy Story 95 a while ago. Now, I don't even consider Toy Story even being close behind games like Ratchet and Clank PS5.
JareBear: Remastered
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The most impressive aspect of this trailer, imo, is the particles/details happening all over the screen in almost all the scenes. Looks very, very impressive. (IMO of course)
PPIMystaceus
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Do we have any comparisons between Ratchet PS4 and PS5?
MasterCornholio
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I think I saw some in another thread but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a thread that compares all the Ratchet games to each other. That way we can discuss the evolution of the franchise.
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