At best, their beliefs end up hurting other people
At worst, their beliefs end up killing other people.
No slippery slope there.
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Charlottesville racist(s) losing jobs
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At best, their beliefs end up hurting other people
At worst, their beliefs end up killing other people.
No slippery slope there.
I wouldn't even call being a Nazi a 'personal belief'.
Wanting different skin-colored human beings to disappear is not a personal belief, it just being bat-shit insane, and should face immediate consequences of all levels for this mindset, if you ask me.
Freedom of speech for condoning and promoting the death of non whites? Would you feel the same way about the slippery slope argument while defending radical islamists then?
Many people have been fired before for inappropriate things on their Facebooks that their employers have found. This is no different really.
Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Gas Chambers, Ovens, the deaths of MILLIONS and the sacrifices of countless lives fighting one of the worst legitimate Evils in the history of all mankind makes this the least slippery slope in existence. Humanity drew a line and that shit doesn't get to be a "belief". There's no conundrum here.
Let's not ever forget what Nazis fucking are. Do not normalize them, ever. Do not brush aside their insanity and monstrosity as simply a "different opinion" or "political belief" ever.
Great first post lol
They are't being fired for their personal beliefs. They aren't sitting quietly at home thinking nazi things that they put away and then are able to treat people fairly at their job. These people are actively engaging in hate and trying to intimidate those they see as less than human and make society worse.
Gotdatmoney
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That's not what I was addressing :/
God Dayumm
Banned
Thank god for that. If they were in unions, these fucks would still have a job
Nazis are just a different opinion or personal beliefs apparently. What the fuck is happening to this country? I feel like free speech is doing more harm than good. Hate speech and nazis runs rampant and isn't even being thought of critically anymore because, eh it's their right.
It's never ok, their rights or not. These people should face serious consequences, just not jailed.
It's never ok, their rights or not. These people should face serious consequences, just not jailed.
kitchenmotors
Banned
GAF has a group of these people, they largely stay silent but sometimes they cant help themselves and have to speak up.
Nothing but why would an employer fire someone for standing up to nazis?
Yeah, I'm just speaking some general thoughts out loud I think. Sorry, not trying to be a dick.
My mind is still boggled by that other guy in here saying that practicing Nazis deserve to be left alone.
super-heated plasma
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I think it's a reference to homo sapiens origins in the African continent.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Burden is on the employer. Anyone falsely accused and fired over this would easily win a lawsuit.
Temeculan3000
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At-will employment still has sate and federal protections. You can't be fired based on your race, religion, gender, age, etc, some states also protect you based on sexual orientation or gender identity. You also can't be fired for being asked to do something illegal. You can't be fired for taking time off to serve in jury duty etc..
Obviously none of these apply to these shitheads, but I am sick of people acting like you have literally zero protections in the US.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah i know. It's probably going to be hard. And i also can't help but smile when idiots like that get publicly humiliated. But it's a smile with a bitter taste most of the time, because i know it won't help making these people any less stupid. They deserve it though, don't get me wrong.
But sometimes it's less hard than you think. Isolate these people and put them in a completely different situation/ environment and wisdom and empathy seems to pop out of nowhere.
I've seen it happen on certain Tv shows in my country but also in real life at my son's soccer practice. Some kid's parent went from extreme right to really fucking sorry about his past and removing tattoos and stuff. Within a timespan of half a year.
A person like that is worth way more to society than a bitter dumb racist.
Anyway, it's probably a mission impossible and who the hell would like to invest time and recourses into people like that?
It's not a freedom of speech issue.
If the government were rounding them up throwing them into jail for being at this rally, then yes, that's a freedom of speech issue.
Having a job isn't a right enshrined in the Constitution, it's a privilege, and just like with any other privileges, it can be taken away.
Companies want their employees to set a positive image for the company. It's not a positive image if your employee is at a rally spouting off Nazi bullshit.
When you get hired for a job, you're a representative of the place that hired you, whether you're at work or not, and you're actions do reflect on the place that hired you.
There's consequences for your actions (which is something a lot of people need to learn) and I'm not shedding a tear for any of these people who lose their job.
LegendofLex
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That the more we use shitty tactics like social media vigilantism, doxxing people and outing them to their employers, etc. - tactics that Nazis and alt-right scum also use and that I first observed as a fear tactic used to shame people into silence about their views on abortion - the more these tactics grow in acceptance and use.
I don't shed a tear for the Nazi dude who gets fired. I absolutely agree that I wouldn't want someone like that working for me. What I'm uncomfortable with is social media vigilantism, doxxing, and outing people to their employers so that they'll be fired becoming accepted practice in general, because that gives the tactic so much more potential - due to its normalcy - to be reused and abused by people I don't agree with.
We have tactics that Nazis can't co-opt - nonviolent resistance. We know that Nazis can't use those tactics because Nazism depends on violent oppression of nonwhites. I'd rather we stick to a playbook that doesn't set uncomfortable precedents about social media detectives being gatekeepers for who's acceptable enough to have a job. I don't like the potential that tactic has for abuse and misuse.
I'm actually not.
http://eige.europa.eu/rdc/thesaurus/terms/1096
jesus fucking christ
the only platform that nazis deserve is one to walk off of when they're being hanged
exterminate your local fucking nazis
yeah and you're posting in a fucking TOPIC ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW
the only platform that nazis deserve is one to walk off of when they're being hanged
exterminate your local fucking nazis
yeah and you're posting in a fucking TOPIC ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW
My hometown's own Nazi who attended the rally got dragged by his family in the paper today.
Captainbojanglesiii
Banned
As long as it's clear they're supporting the march, and you know for a fact it's them, I don't see the problem
Gotdatmoney
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No it's cool. Like I said. Imo this is really plain and simple. Don't go and fucking march with Nazis if you value your job and social standing. Pretty simple. I just get why the broader social implications may be an issue with people. But eh, you may be fired if you're a piece of shit doesn't really bug me.
Yeah fuck that. They need to be shamed out of existance. Fuck them and everything they stand for.
Dark Cloud
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Good. Any Nazi or terrorist of any color, race, religion shouldn't be tolerated whatsoever. Put that shit in the Constitution.
ginger ninja
Banned
I am about 1000% for this. Free speech and freedom does not provide constitutional protection to you from people's wrath for being a fucking shithead
Principate
Saint Titanfall
5chan and alt-right have been using doxxing for years. That's why even a lot of counter protestors use masks. If you want to draw some line in the sand it's long since been crossed. If you want to argue well we should be better than this than I ask for what reason?
So people can go march in hat rallies with no masks and no fear of consequences. These people didn't hide this shit they knew it was going to happen or at the very least should have had the brains to know.
ElectricBlanketFire
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You're all over the map. Outing someone as a Nazi and getting them fired is nonviolent resistance.
Their pictures are on national news. Should they not show their faces?
Bruh, we really trying to non violently and passively find ways to get Nazis and racists to learn the err of their ways.
I mean we killing white women and beating blacks with poles but sure, let's suck the dick of oppression in the hopes they'll learn to not be pieces of shit.
I mean we killing white women and beating blacks with poles but sure, let's suck the dick of oppression in the hopes they'll learn to not be pieces of shit.
SafeinSound
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Not an ounce of remorse for anyone who loses their job who attended.
Oh, my sweet summer child...
They're terrorist supporters and sympathizers. Would you argue that someone who supports ISIS openly and tries to recruit for them shouldn't be ostracized? Hell, they'd be arrested for trying to recruit for a terrorist organization. We should treat white nationalists the same. They don't get the right to terrorize just because they're white. Throw the hammer down on these assholes and watch recruitment drop off as they realize supporting a terrorist movement has dire consequences.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Sure, there are a lot of people who say things privately they don't want their employers to know, but if you're participating in a fucking white supremacist march, and one you know will get media attention, that's not obviously not saying things privately. There's no violation of freedom of speech here and we've been over that like a million times when it comes to these kinds of events.
The people who take part in these rallies are the enemy and that's how they should be treated by everyone else, including companies.
The people who take part in these rallies are the enemy and that's how they should be treated by everyone else, including companies.
The problem is that people parrot "free speech" as a catchphase without the requisite intellectual rigor of what it means and stands for. About how it is part of a set of liberal values that includes the presumption that we are all born equal under the law.
Nazis are viruses that infect free speech so they can destroy it and everything else associated with it.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Getting to keep your job after attending a goddamn Nazi march has gotta be up there as far as white privilege goes.
UtterlyPerplexed
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Look, other posters have already addressed the main crux of your point so I won't repeat what has already been said. I do however raise some eyebrows at your use of "personal beliefs". We're not on about a hypothetical employee who may personally be against abortion, or against any form of taxation or state handouts. We're on about literal Nazis who subscribe to an illegitimate and inherently violent ideology completely at odds with the mission statements of nearly every private company out there especially when said person is likely to be working with PoCs as fellow employees, or more alarmingly, said person owes a duty of care to people whom they consider to be sub-human. So in that regard, yes. A Nazi employee is a very real potential danger in more ways than just to the very public image of a firm.
We can go on about where the line should be drawn when it comes to personal beliefs and consequences for holding on to such beliefs, but at this very moment we're on about actual Nazis, so it's not a complex and grey situation at all. It's very clear cut to me.
So basically you are concerned for Nazis. Got it. Glad we cleared that up. I'll tell you who's not acceptable enough to have a job, Nazis. I'll tell you who deserves to be doxxed, Nazis.
Nazis. Feel dirty defending Nazis? You should.
How does this work in situations when they are running you over with cars and beating you with pipes?
What about all the black people in past decades who've been lynched? Should we just look past that and not defend our fellow man?
TheOfficeMut
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What about ousting people over social media is violent?
For real, I'd fire your ass just for sympathizing with Nazis right now.
No conundrum at all. Freedom of speech only protects you from being arrested for anything you say as long as it isn't a direct threat of harm. That's why it's called "freedom" of speech. You won't go to jail for anything you say, but that doesn't protect you from the consequences of what you say.
Fox Mulder
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They should be losing their freedom as well.
We beat down Nazis with a world war and violence.
We beat down Nazis with a world war and violence.
SlipperyMoose
Member
So I got jumped on pretty fast which I fully expected. I'm not sure I can respond to everyone at once.
I would argue that we employ millions of people that want others dead. Plenty of religious people want certain groups or sects dead/eradicated. That's not to say all but they are certainly out there. Most businesses do also have a right to fire these people and that's fine. It is their business after all. I'm simply just saying I don't know if hunting down these people and actively trying to get them fired is the best practice. One I still stand by that it's a slippery slope and that right now we know their opinion is shitty but this could move to other opinions in the future. And then also I don't think this is going to help the problem in America. Them getting fired is just going to further fuel their rage against minorities and other groups. They will end up blaming their unemployment on them and say see they are here to take our jobs. This will only further their twisted sense of reality.
I know this isn't going to be a popular response on this forum. I'm just giving my two cents. Please keep it respectable as we are all exchanging ideas here and trying to develop a good conversation here.
boredandlazy
Member
Not sure why people are complaining about free speech here. The bosses of these people are simply exercising their right to free speech too, by telling these degenerate Nazi fucks to get the fuck out of the office and never come back.
Reposted this for the new page.
LegendofLex
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I don't think I should have to explain why it's essential that we always ask ourselves whether and how we should be better than our enemies.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
There's nothing sweet summer child about his position doesn't make logical sense on any level. They've admitted that Nazi's already use nonviolent resistance then later states they don't when even they have said they do infact do this which is blatantly obvious for all to see.
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