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Chris Avellone is Fighting Back (Update: won seven figure lawsuit, formal apology/retraction from accusers)

ToTTenTranz

Banned
Which is exactly why nobody is trying to "discredit her for doing porn".

Of course not, which is why you totally didn't write the following:


if you engage in this kind of sex-work you don't get to ruin other people's lives for their flirtatious behavior.

Maybe don't publish private conversations instigating a social media witch hunt, if you have much bigger skeletons in the closet.

Considering the promiscuous personality of the accuser


You're totally not trying to discredit the accuser for doing porn. You're just saying there's stuff she can't do - like complaining about getting unsolicited sexual advances - because she did porn.
Which is, like, a completely different thing, right?


/s
 

Nickolaidas

Member
Of course not, which is why you totally didn't write the following:









You're totally not trying to discredit the accuser for doing porn. You're just saying there's stuff she can't do - like complaining about getting unsolicited sexual advances - because she did porn.
Which is, like, a completely different thing, right?


/s
I *think* the context here is that a woman who has done porn shouldn't react like a prude when a guy texts her that he wants to lick her between the legs. This doesn't mean that porn actresses should be hit on like it's nobody's business, but they shouldn't act so surprised when someone does make crude advances.
 
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ToTTenTranz

Banned
I *think* the context here is that a woman who has done porn shouldn't react like a prude when a guy texts her that he wants to lick her between the legs. This doesn't mean that porn actresses should be hit on like it's nobody's business, but they shouldn't act so surprised when someone does make crude advances.


Two things, in my opinion:

1 - I don't think the proposition text that Chris Avellone supposedly sent her is something that would leave any adult with psychological scars or unsafe. It's certainly not any kind of proof of the much more serious accusations being sent his way. And even if he did send those messages as proposition for sex, he's got plausible deniability (wrong number, I was drunk, etc.) by apologizing shortly after. The accusation has very little credit on her part, though little to no credit is valid for social media cancellation nowadays.


2 - Unless the video was filmed at the same time as the texts, in which she says "he knew I was seeing somebody", the accusation having very little credit has zero to do with her doing porn.



Lastly, posting that ridiculous montage of tweets with screenshots of her porn video in the background to make a bunch of strawmans is really below any decent standard of conversation.
I thought GAF was better than 4chan.
 
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Doczu

Member
I'm not sure why everyone is making such a huge deal about an harmless, if a kinda vulgar, message.
Yeah, people.forget it's a cropped out part of the whole convo, previous interactions included.
She won't post the rest because we might see she *might* have written him that she would tounge his balls while chocking on his dick.
He won't post it so that he can use it in court, if needed.
 

Javthusiast

Banned
She won't post the rest because we might see she *might* have written him that she would tounge his balls while chocking on his dick.

oh my omg GIF
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Yeah, people.forget it's a cropped out part of the whole convo, previous interactions included.
She won't post the rest because we might see she *might* have written him that she would tounge his balls while chocking on his dick.
He won't post it so that he can use it in court, if needed.
Hope he's successful. That way it sets a precedent for all these sociopathic thots with daddy issues.
 
Which is exactly why nobody is trying to "discredit her for doing porn". Go read my initial comment again instead of complaining about strawmen while erecting a huge frikkin' strawman yourself!
It's not a strawman when so much of Jacqui's objection was:

1. I am a virginal flower, white and pure, I am not sexual and do not enjoy sex keep the sex away I just want to think of Jesus
2. Fuckman James Deen who participated in this porn fuckery also has a long list of alleged crimes far worse than a mistaken text... yet, Jacqui seems to have said NOTHING about that or called him out on it, so... hypocrisy much?

Her "boss" in porn was drowning in alleged sexual crimes - yet not a single complaint or outcry from Jacqui, PR lead at Riot. Speaking of RIOT...

3. If you're so outspoken about a dirty text, why the fuck are you working at one of the worst companies known for alleged misconduct allegations? More hypocrisy.
 

Nickolaidas

Member

JUSTBELIEVEWOMENMYMAN

That said ...

1) This could be photoshopped (thankfully, it can be proven if it was via Twitter's own archives)

2) Pretty weird Jeff just stood by and let Chris get fired and cancelled while he had evidence proving the contrary. I mean, yeah, I get it, he's afraid of becoming a target as well, fine. So why come forward now? And how much heat against Chris this whole bruhaha would have got if Jeff would show this the day the 'accusations' started?
 
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Whoa, that new article is comedy gold. Especially her trying to ply Avellone with drinks to take advantage of him, holy shhhhhit.

JUSTBELIEVEWOMENMYMAN

That said ...

1) This could be photoshopped (thankfully, it can be proven if it was via Twitter's own archives)

2) Pretty weird Jeff just stood by and let Chris get fired and cancelled while he had evidence proving the contrary. I mean, yeah, I get it, he's afraid of becoming a target as well, fine. So why come forward now? And how much heat against Chris this whole bruhaha would have got if Jeff would show this the day the 'accusations' started?
I think the guy says he didn't even know about it until Erik Kain did his article. Erik was attacked relentlessly for it, though, but if this is the good that came out of it? Good on both of them.

I haven't watched whatever interview video they're talking about, but if someone does, let me know. I'll be busy making popcorn.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
Her doing porn is whatever and has no bearing on these this accusations. Her looking to cheat on her boyfriend might make her a shitty person but again has no bearing on the accusations. This is not me damning or defending her or Avellone.
Coincidentally these are the exact things that will be used against the witness in a court of law, where she will be promptly destroyed by a junior lawyer.
 

Umbasaborne

Banned
I have friends who have been assaulted by fucking creepos. My first reaction is to always believe the accuser “guilty unless proven innocent” but im realizing that that might be a dangerous mind set. It irks me that people would make up stories about something as serious as sexual assault and use it as a weapon to try to ruin someones life. Like as a guy, its kind of scary that any woman can do that, and id have to work hard to prove that i didnt do or say anything untoward.
 

Kenpachii

Member
until now (I hope) it was pretty horrifying seeing the exact opposite, especially the journalists spreading the lies.

Got all to much experience with woman lying though there teeth because they are pissed. There is a reason why half the shit isn't investigated by police, 99 out of the 100 times its straight up bullshit.

U got people like this chick to thank for that.
 
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You're totally not trying to discredit the accuser for doing porn. You're just saying there's stuff she can't do - like complaining about getting unsolicited sexual advances - because she did porn.
Which is, like, a completely different thing, right?
Don't be daft. You don't get to suddenly act like Mother Theresa when you've done porn and act very promiscuous on social media. She was openly flirting with Avellone and priding herself in having transient sexual relationships. Morally uptight or sexually vulnerable people don't do porn, unless somehow forced which she quite clearly was not. In other words, she is certainly no prude, which implies 3 things:

1. She did not present the whole conversation and was very selective in her framing
2. Avellone certainty did not harm her mental well-being with making crude sexual advances
3. Avellone's messages were very likely not totally unsollicited

And yes, had people known that she did porn, they would have looked at these messages differently. She was certainly well aware of this, hence the "skeletons". I mean, her saying "hey guys, I got spitroasted by James Deen on cam, but got these silly crude sexts by Chris and am like totally shocked" would certainly not have had the desired impact.

You're not a bad person if you do porn, you're a bad person if you misrepresent your character in order to throw dirt at another person.
 
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It's not a strawman when so much of Jacqui's objection was:

1. I am a virginal flower, white and pure, I am not sexual and do not enjoy sex keep the sex away I just want to think of Jesus
2. Fuckman James Deen who participated in this porn fuckery also has a long list of alleged crimes far worse than a mistaken text... yet, Jacqui seems to have said NOTHING about that or called him out on it, so... hypocrisy much?

Her "boss" in porn was drowning in alleged sexual crimes - yet not a single complaint or outcry from Jacqui, PR lead at Riot. Speaking of RIOT...

3. If you're so outspoken about a dirty text, why the fuck are you working at one of the worst companies known for alleged misconduct allegations? More hypocrisy.
Um yes, I agree with you as that was exactly my point when replying to ToTTenTranz ToTTenTranz who seems to defend Jacqui's accusations.
So I'm not sure about what you're disagreeing with me there ;)

Edit: Sorry for double post.
 
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ksdixon

Member
Seriously, can we not just have a law that says "if you're found to be making a false accusation, you automatically go down for the same amount of time the guy would have if he'd actually done it."

The accusations which are false would automatically go down by default. Women know they can get away with it. Just like they act the knobhead or sometimes get violent, knowing they can't get a good smack/smsck-back... when any man treating another man in they way they do, would have had 50 million by the time a woman gets just one. (overall/in general, I don't mean when the spouse is just simply a wife beater obviously).
 

CAB_Life

Member
She's just gonna deny, deny, deny. These people are so deep in their own bullshit that they've completely detached from reality. Reality won't hit until the verdict comes down and she's told to pay the sum of his lost wages+interest.

All these social media trolls and grifters need to be sued into poverty. It's the only way people will learn.
 

LegendOfKage

Gold Member
Seriously, can we not just have a law that says "if you're found to be making a false accusation, you automatically go down for the same amount of time the guy would have if he'd actually done it."

The accusations which are false would automatically go down by default.
The issue with this is that there are plenty of times where women really are sexually assaulted, and they don't come forward because they don't have proof, or they know some people will think they're lying, or they don't want to be mostly known for that accusation, etc. This would be creating yet another reason not to come forward, as mistakes do happen, and even the innocent can find themselves found guilty at times.

Not to mention, if someone lies and then later wants to either take back what they said, or clarify a misunderstanding, or try to minimize the amount of harm that statement has done in retrospect, you've now given someone a massive legal incentive (on top of the already existing social incentive) to remain silent. That's not a good thing either.
 

ksdixon

Member
The issue with this is that there are plenty of times where women really are sexually assaulted, and they don't come forward because they don't have proof, or they know some people will think they're lying, or they don't want to be mostly known for that accusation, etc. This would be creating yet another reason not to come forward, as mistakes do happen, and even the innocent can find themselves found guilty at times.

Not to mention, if someone lies and then later wants to either take back what they said, or clarify a misunderstanding, or try to minimize the amount of harm that statement has done in retrospect, you've now given someone a massive legal incentive (on top of the already existing social incentive) to remain silent. That's not a good thing either.
That is the victim's choice to pursue legal action or not. That's always been their choice, to weather the extra stress or focus it would bring to the alleged original action. Nothing changes in that regard.

My focus in the scenario I outlined is purely about putting deterrents in place to stop false accusations.
 

Shmunter

Member
The issue with this is that there are plenty of times where women really are sexually assaulted, and they don't come forward because they don't have proof, or they know some people will think they're lying, or they don't want to be mostly known for that accusation, etc. This would be creating yet another reason not to come forward, as mistakes do happen, and even the innocent can find themselves found guilty at times.

Not to mention, if someone lies and then later wants to either take back what they said, or clarify a misunderstanding, or try to minimize the amount of harm that statement has done in retrospect, you've now given someone a massive legal incentive (on top of the already existing social incentive) to remain silent. That's not a good thing either.
It’s unfortunate but you can’t expect action without proof in a civilised society. Anything else leaves itself open to corruption and a breakdown of common justice. That applies to any type of accusation.

With today’s victimhood culture taking a hold as a virtuous norm it’s especially important.
 
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LegendOfKage

Gold Member
That is the victim's choice to pursue legal action or not. That's always been their choice, to weather the extra stress or focus it would bring to the alleged original action. Nothing changes in that regard.

My focus in the scenario I outlined is purely about putting deterrents in place to stop false accusations.

And as I pointed out, your suggested change (while accomplishing your goal of a large reduction of false accusations) would also inevitably lead to the other two issues that I pointed out above. People who lied initially would be given more of a reason to continue lying, and people who are actual victims of sexual assault would have yet another reason to fear coming forward. You can still argue that your solution would be better, but there's also an argument to be made against it.

It’s unfortunate but you can’t expect action without proof in a civilised society. Anything else leaves itself open to corruption and a breakdown of common justice. That applies to any type of accusation.

With today’s victimhood culture taking a hold as a virtuous norm it’s especially important.
Absolutely. It reminds me of my favorite scene in The Hateful Eight.

 

Shmunter

Member
Nope. She didnt even get punished like him.
There’s always the recourse to sue for defamation, damage to career and earning prospects.

That’s all good for movie stars, but the avg guy seldom has the resources, nor the false accuser the funds to pay in such an event.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Amber Heard:

-Severed Johnny Depp's finger in a fit of rage
-Seduced Elon Musk in Depp's own penthouse elevator, two months into her marriage with Depp, on CCTV video
-Is on an audio recording admitting to being the actual violent abuser in the relationship and explaining how she will continue abusing Depp, while he pleads for her to stop

Let's have a better moral compass than Hollywood on this one, guys. Johnny Depp will be alright even if he never gets a major acting role again, as nightmarish as that situation also is for him, with his $150+ million net worth, and with the public having a decent sense of what actually happened between the two of them now.

Chris just wants to be able to make games again, I'm sure, and not be treated as if he's radioactive without just cause.

It's time for a culture change back to sanity. Start here.
 

Omnipunctual Godot

Gold Member
The issue with this is that there are plenty of times where women really are sexually assaulted, and they don't come forward because they don't have proof, or they know some people will think they're lying, or they don't want to be mostly known for that accusation, etc. This would be creating yet another reason not to come forward, as mistakes do happen, and even the innocent can find themselves found guilty at times.

Not to mention, if someone lies and then later wants to either take back what they said, or clarify a misunderstanding, or try to minimize the amount of harm that statement has done in retrospect, you've now given someone a massive legal incentive (on top of the already existing social incentive) to remain silent. That's not a good thing either.
I think the idea is that if an accuser makes a claim about a sexual crime, and then evidence emerges that shows the accuser intentionally misrepresented or fabricated that claim, they should be punished accordingly. That isn't the same as punishing an accuser for a lack of evidence.
 
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Shmunter

Member
Amber Heard:

-Severed Johnny Depp's finger in a fit of rage
-Seduced Elon Musk in Depp's own penthouse elevator, two months into her marriage with Depp, on CCTV video
-Is on an audio recording admitting to being the actual violent abuser in the relationship and explaining how she will continue abusing Depp, while he pleads for her to stop

Let's have a better moral compass than Hollywood on this one, guys. Johnny Depp will be alright even if he never gets a major acting role again, as nightmarish as that situation also is for him, with his $150+ million net worth, and with the public having a decent sense of what actually happened between the two of them now.

Chris just wants to be able to make games again, I'm sure, and not be treated as if he's radioactive without just cause.

It's time for a culture change back to sanity. Start here.
Even Ignoring the work and wealth situation, a man can’t just get cucked and not attempt to prove his innocence and get respect back. Gotta fight back, no matter what.

I’m sure you’re sympathetic to the matter.

On a personal note, the man is a phenomenal screen presence. Can’t lose him for nothing.
 
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LegendOfKage

Gold Member
I think the idea is that if an accuser makes a claim about a sexual crime, and then evidence emerges that shows the accuser intentionally misrepresented or fabricated that claim, they should be punished accordingly. That isn't the same as punishing an accuser for a lack of evidence.
I understand that, but mistakes still happen. The entire justice system is supposed to prevent innocent people going to jail, but sometimes things don't work out like that. A truthful accuser could be in a situation where they don't have or couldn't collect evidence, while the guilty accused could have evidence that supports their side of the story, even if they're ultimately being misleading. Then you throw 12 random people at the situation, and people can make mistakes.

We're getting a bit off topic, though, seeing as none of this really fits in with the specific situation this thread is about.
 

Fuz

Banned
I understand that, but mistakes still happen. The entire justice system is supposed to prevent innocent people going to jail, but sometimes things don't work out like that. A truthful accuser could be in a situation where they don't have or couldn't collect evidence, while the guilty accused could have evidence that supports their side of the story, even if they're ultimately being misleading. Then you throw 12 random people at the situation, and people can make mistakes.

We're getting a bit off topic, though, seeing as none of this really fits in with the specific situation this thread is about.
In any case, it's better to have a criminal free than an innocent incarcerated.
 
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