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[Tain]

I'm using sales as my barometer.

It wasn't directed at you when talking about the general popularity of the games, but rather at anybody who would say things about being "weaksauce" or a "true hardcore gamer".

Shmups used to be mainstream. If shmups are so much better 'today', then why aren't they selling? Maybe you need to consider they are nowhere near as good as you want to believe.

Usually when I find a shmup fan of today, they tend to spend hundreds of dollars importing certain games as well as spending well over a hundred just on a japanese joystick (!). Why? Is it because they believe they are 'hardcore'? Anyone throwing hundreds of dollars away like that would be closest to the persona of a 'tool'.

Some of them probably import the games because they want to play them, and buy nice joysticks because they prefer the advantages over a d-pad, but that's only my guess. If you want to assume they're just trying to look hardcore, that they don't actually enjoy these games that they spend money and time on, and that they want to believe that the games are better than they are, that's cool.

 

[Tobor]

Star Control 2 > ...well, just about anything really.

 

[Dalauz]

Guardian Heroes\Gunstar Heroes - Better than any action game, barring DMC3, that came after.

él sabe.


also

destructables environments, 60 enemys on screen, cover system.

Gears of what?

 

[gutter_trash]

Double Dragon, Streets Of Rage 2, Final Fight >>>> all this 3D crap they make they have shiity cameras, brown textures, unnecessary swearing, and bad controlls beat em ups of the 2000s

 

[Danne-Danger]

No western-game has ever been good enough to even be remotely compared to it, unless it's how much they suck in comparison.

 

[Adaox]

 

[bigmit3737]

> All console rpgs

 

[Avalon]

> All console rpgs

Is it even better then it's own remake?

 

[bigmit3737]

Of all existing and possible posts in this thread, this one contains the most truth.


My mom paid around $70 to get me that game on Christmas day.....

My friend slept over and we got through nearly 3/4 of the game that night....


Loved that game..

It got stolen though...

 

[revolverjgw]

Dynamite Headdy > any Puppet Platformer

 

[bigmit3737]

Is it even better then it's own remake?

LOL, never played the remake...but I am speaking more in terms of the date it came out...

It blew away every other rpg I played around it's time....


By the time the remake came out...tons of good rpgs were out....but none had the impact that the sega cd version had on me.

 

[Pikelet]

Gears of what?

:lol

Also, for all intents and purposes, tetris attack is far better than tetris.

 

[Brashnir]

NBA Jam T.E. > Any recently released basketball game
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out! > any boxing game ever

funny, those were the first two games that came to mind when I saw the thread title.

Also:

Final Fantasy 3(US)/6 - Best JRPG ever.

 

[A Black Falcon]

Oh right, NBA Jam T.E... I forgot to mention that one. Yeah, it's the best basketball game I've ever played, I agree.

 

[jman2050]

Sonic 3 & Knuckles > any platformer before it or after.

Spoiler

*Runs from Mario fans*

Preach it bro.

Spoiler

Except for Sonic CD

 

[Pokeylongo]

Super Mario Bros. 3 > Any 3D Mario.

Hmm... not exactly the same genre.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

Tecmo Super Bowl > any other football game

 

[revolverjgw]

NHL 94 for Genesis > any hockey game

 

[Carlisle]

Every game ever.

 

[Gantz]

Super Metroid > Metroid Prime.

 

[CurseoftheGods]

Sonic 3 & Knuckles > any platformer before it or after.

Spoiler

*Runs from Mario fans*

I am going to have to agree with that.

 

[Moderation Unlimited]

Mike Tyson's Punch Out (NES), Streets of Rage 2 (Genesis), and Silent Hill 2 (PS2) own every other game in this thread.

 

[Beezy]

Tecmo Super Bowl > any other football game

*claps*

 

[jwj442]

SS2 is still the scariest game ever.

 

[CajoleJuice]

:lol

Also, for all intents and purposes, tetris attack is far better than tetris.

I felt the same way until I got Tetris DS. Now I don't know what to think anymore.

Maybe Tetris Attack DS would change my mind. I NEED THAT

 

[TheIkariWarrior]

the classic Phantasy Star RPGs > any ver of Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe

90s 3D racing games in the arcade > most console racing games last gen and so far this gen
(framerate, baby)


side scrolling beat'em ups > recent beat em ups

classic horz and vert shmups > most recent shmups

 

[Ra\/en]

I know the gap is only like 4 years, but serious sam 1 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious sam 2. night and day. night and day.


that being said, my personal preferences always lead me to believe final fantasy IV and VI are > FF's after 8.

 

[bigmit3737]

NHL 94 for Genesis > any hockey game

I really enjoyed 93, though it might be more due to the fact that that was the only one my cousin had.

 

[Mallrat83]

Tecmo Super Bowl > any other football game

Damn straight man. Damn straight.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

Damn straight man. Damn straight.

Tecmo needs to get a NFL '89 license (is that the year if came out) and make an awesome online version for the Wii VC. I have said this before but I would pay $50 for it because I will know that the best football game ever got just a little bit better.

 

[Mallrat83]

Tecmo needs to get a NFL '89 license (is that the year if came out) and make an awesome online version for the Wii VC. I have said this before but I would pay $50 for it because I will know that the best football game ever got just a little bit better.

Whatever they have to do they should do it. EA has the exclusive rights though, those ****s, but I wouldn't mind if they just released it with generic teams and players, as long as they had a player and team edit function. But damn if TSB isn't one of the greatest games of all time.

 

[lordfroakie]

Pokemon>Any game that has you catching,collecting,battling,raising game

Ultima>Every JRPG game

That strange Atari horror game>every survivor horror game

E.T.>Movie games

 

[iapetus]

Wing Commander 2 > Any space flight/combat game since (cue X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter fanatics)

Absolutely true.

But it's still not as good as Elite.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

That strange Atari horror game>every survivor horror game

Wasn't that the same game from the girl who wrote Phantasmagoria or am I making up nonsense?

 

[Apenheul]

Ok, here goes:

Starcraft > any other RTS
Yoshi's Island level design > any other platformer's level design
Super Streetracer > any Mario Kart
Diablo 2 > any other cooperative adventure game (including Zombies ate my Neighbours)
Tetris Attack > any other fast puzzle game
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis > any other point & click adventure

 

[Prime crotch]

Duke Nukem 3D> every FPS after aside from the Deus Ex like FPS/RPG genre

 

[XSamu]

I love this thread, so many examples of how nostalgia messes with the mind, people can't think clearly anymore.

 

[revolverjgw]

I really enjoyed 93, though it might be more due to the fact that that was the only one my cousin had.

NHL 94 was far better, mostly because of one-timers. That changed the whole dynamics of the series.

 

[Gantz]

Ultima Underworld 1&2 > Morrowind/Oblivion

 

[Razoric]

Blizzard Games > All
Diablo 2 > every other action RPG
Starcraft > every other RTS
WoW > every other MMORPG

 

[Metalmark74]

INFOCOM > any other adventure game (LucasFilm's and Sierra's titles included)

 

[XSamu]

Classic games that are > newer games of the same genre

WoW > every other MMORPG

Wow

 

[CaVaYeRo]

 

[djtiesto]

Super Metroid > Metroid Prime series
Super Mario World > 3D Mario
Mega Man 2 or 3 > any other Mega Man series that followed
Contra III > later Contra games
2D Zelda > 3D Zelda
FF4-6 > any later FF
Phantasy Star 2 > any other RPG

 

[Fabiollo]

Tie Fighter > any space sim
Monkey Island 2 > every point and click adventure

edit: Super Mario World > any other mario

 

[Useff]

Halo 2 > First person shooters

:lol

 

[Blablurn]

shenmue > Yakuza

 

[{Mike}]

>

> all other Sonic-themed games

> many RTS

> many FPS

 

[tahrikmili]

Planescape: Torment > any western RPG released after it

Uh no, Planescape was good, but Fallout 1/2 totally destroyed it.

 

[MickeyKnox]

> many FPS

:lol :lol :lol