Poetic.Injustice
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Great job electing this clown America.
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Climate denial will be the official policy of Trumps administration
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Vote with your dollars. Buy from eco-friendly companies. Save up for solar. Don't just recycle. It's not enough. Compost, too. Eat less meat. Shop at farmers' markets. Eat less dairy if any.
Fug Slanderson
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Isn't this basically an act of war against the entire world. I'm an American, but I'd be ok with other countries attacking us for this.
MrSaturn99
Member
Jesus Christ.
Screw this.
Screw this.
1. Don't lose hope
2. Vote as often as possible
3. When solar panels are more affordable go for them
4. Eat less meat (especially beef)
5. Loads of other stuff but be politically active and when the revolution comes be ready
IF one side of politics means bigotry, racism and lots other awful things... its good that there is no space for such toxic bullshit here. OR are you suggesting that we should welcome it?
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Stop eating too much meat.
What I do is:
1 day beef
1 day chicken
1 day fish
4 days vegetarian.
You don't need to stop eating meat to make an impact. Tho stopping would be the best eventually.
Not even the morons on /r/the_donald even try to defend this shit. It's inexcusable. Just like with the Net-Neutrality stance he has taken. Most of these fuckwits are in prime internet age and voted the talking orange into office.
Fox Mulder
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The dolphin people of the year 2400 will praise us though.
I'm not eating less beef though.
Darryl M R
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People aren't banned for voting for Trump. They are banned for being bigots.
If you are too ashamed of your vote to speak out on your opinion on Trump's recent actions then that says something about yourself. If I voted for Clinton and she won and she started tweeting about wanting a war with Russia I would own up to my vote and say "well I didn't think she was that much of a warhawk, but I still support her plans for x,y, and z" if given an opportunity to speak on the topic. We had a good amount of Trump voters before the election--not all of them are banned. Maybe they were mostly trolls. Who knows.
One sided conversation =/= people disagree with me and are providing actual point
dog piling =/= people disagree with me and are providing actual point
:-( this whole Trump thing sucks balls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsqwb9-YeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsqwb9-YeY
Meats, in general, are much higher than that graph shows. It employed an out-moded, but still-standard method for measuring food consumption.
Food ethicists are trying to change the standard because the one used by the U.N. and pretty much every developed nation is laughably bad.
NeOak
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When their main arguments are "WE WON!!!1111eleven" and "Crooked Hillary" while using fake news, How can you take them seriously?
Opinions in science are worthless when there is data that says otherwise.
"Drain the Swamp" has been shown to be pure BS with all the appointments so far.
But hey, they can have "opinions" about science but lord forbid people have "opinions about religion". What about the ones that go into overdrive when you don't agree with what they think the Bible says based on a translation of an incomplete book that is at least 1700 years old? Still waiting for one to show me the exact line where it reads that Jesus said to hate homosexuals.
KernelPanic
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None of these GOP politicians ever saw an Inconvenient Truth did they?
Oh wait it's politicized science because Al Gore
Oh wait it's politicized science because Al Gore
That attitude is why we are doomed. People like you.
Well, fuck this shit. Fuck this guy and everything he stands for, yet again.
Realistically, how much damage can this policy do? Can it be reversed or undone when he's out of office? I'm under the impression that climate change is something that takes years to affect one way or another (though you can destroy the environment much more quickly than you can fix it of course), so is it possible to hope that this fuckwad shitting the bed for 4 years (oh god let it only be 4 years) won't change the environment too much?
Realistically, how much damage can this policy do? Can it be reversed or undone when he's out of office? I'm under the impression that climate change is something that takes years to affect one way or another (though you can destroy the environment much more quickly than you can fix it of course), so is it possible to hope that this fuckwad shitting the bed for 4 years (oh god let it only be 4 years) won't change the environment too much?
CosmicQueso
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Thank the Russians.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I believe you should take that stuff on directly, not hide from it. By repeatedly beating down the zealots publicly, using logic and reason, you will sway the people who are impressionable. By secluding yourselves from what you see as hateful, you are letting it run free unchallenged.
If this place allowed all sides of a political issue, even the racist assholes, you could destroy them on any issue.
The rise of the Alt-Right has been allowed by the seclusion of the liberals into their safe spaces. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you don't want those people here. They say stuff that can be hurtful, but we have to be stronger than that and unafraid to debate them head on. Hiding won't make the alt-right, or the ridiculous ideas of Republicans, go away.
Sweeney Tom
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Fuck that. We couldn't even be trusted to not fuck up our own planet, how could anybody be foolish enough to think we could land and live anywhere else without fucking that up too
I want the dimension where Gore won and made Musk the head of everything science.
Calling people racist resulted in this push back! If you treat people bad long enough you have to expect that they'll fight back!!!
Hold on, my cognitive dissonance is calling, brb.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Global warming would actually make Mars more hospitable to human life.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Is that directed at me? If so, that isn't what I am doing (pertaining to minorities)...
I am talking to all liberals, especially white ones. How can liberals not have some blame when they let the wound fester?
Poetic.Injustice
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Good luck getting used to mars' gravity.
Racism is an issue of morality. I detest the attempts to make that behavior 'acceptable' by trying to slide it through the cracks as a political stance that deserves as much respect as someone's opinion on free trade and the like.
And Im especially sick of the notion that allowing these scumbags to parrot their shit in the open without bans will result in some magical discourse that will 'reach them' and bring them into the fold of reason. Reddit and 4chan has allowed hate speech in various formats for years and its done fuck all to 'fix' this stuff.
4 years is huge, the last 5 years have seem massive temp increases. now with melting permafrost it could magnify everything like crazy
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I am not talking about allowing racists to spew racism, I talking about allowing racists to explain their policy. Since every Trump supporter is a racist here, we would have to allow racists to speak to debate them.
Does that make sense?
You have to remember that my first post above was in response to someone asking why there were no Trump supporters here to explain why they are ok with climate denial.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Humans will adapt. Its probably easier to adjust to less gravity than more gravity. Though anyone born and raised on Mars would not be able to come to Earth. In the grand scheme .376Gs isn't that bad.
NeOak
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Nice armchair analysis about politics.
Hillary won the popular vote. What safe spaces? People went out to vote. But hey, let's just ignore the blatant Republican voting suppression that has been sued in court.
No one has ever fought for things that are fine. People only fight when they are threatened. White nationalists and Racists are threatened because there were consequences for their actions, so they fought using the base standard of freedom to spew their shit. But when someone else says they are wrong, they don't argue: They yell to shut up the opposition.
"Liberals" allowed them to spew their shit because it was "freedom of speech". But the White nationalists AKA Alt-Right don't want the same freedom for Liberals, so they try to shut them up. Saw the guy in the Delta flight? Something like that.
Now the rest will feel threatened. You think people are going to stay quiet?
A debate would imply there is a valid argument to be made in favor of racism. Do you have one?
If there was one, we would have heard about it. So far is just "MAGA".
Oh the planet will go on, life too. Just not humans so much.
Nikodemos
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This here is the real problem, that climate change tends to amplify via self-accelerating feedback loops: weather stays warmer throughout the year -> permafrost remains thawed longer -> more bacteria work on those 30.000 year old forests -> more methane is produced -> weather stays warmer throughout the year -> etc. ad nauseam.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
There's already been drastic temperature changes in even the last 2 years, let alone the last 4. There's no scenario where 2 to 4 years of utter inaction on the matter doesn't result in irreversible damage. By the next presidential election it will be too late, and even if he holds out until mid-terms before caving it will already be too late.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Are you being purposefully obtuse? They would not be debating racism (not debatable), they would be debating climate denial. But because they are trump supporters, they have been labeled racist.
How can you debate climate denial with a Trump supporter if they are banned for being a trump supporter because they are racist?
Nowhere, have I said they deserve a platform to spew racism. I don't know how you read into that.
NeOak
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Have you seen how they talk about people that voted for Hillary?
As for Climate Change, since it is what you talk about in your response: their main argument is that there are "dissenting opinions" about all the studies that say one thing.
Some BS about "half the scientists don't agree" or some bullcrap that won't pass a fact check.
Why would they want to argue? Science says you get a cold because you catch a virus. They don't dispute that. But Climate? "People think otherwise".
Reminds of me antivaxxers.
Nice debate.
SolidusDave
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https://www.theguardian.com/environ...mate-change-warning-earth-temperature-warming
Alright, alright. We really have to stop procrastinating.
So what does the new government of the country with the second highest greenhouse gas emission say?
Oh. Ok. That's that then. Let's all live on higher ground with enough food I guess.
Ever cook together with people, everyone's helping out, everything's going great, and then one person burns the vegetables? How do you unburn the vegetables?
People can do plenty to prevent donald trump from fucking the world.
Buy less useless stuff, buy green useful stuff and or donate to useful stuff.
Eat less of certain stuff (especially beef).
Use modes of transport that are less taxing on the environment more often.
Also I think it's interesting that people are saying "the world is fucked because trump" but what about those decades before? It's not like climate change is a revelation that descended from the heavens recently. What were the excuses before trump got elected?
Besides, I'm pretty sure our collective wallets have more power than our votes.
Ragnar Blackmane
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How lovely. Now we have to deal with the fact that we will be living in a very unpleasant place at the end of our lives (I'm mid twenty right now, I will get to see the consequences) because the American electorate decided to throw a hissy fit and half the citizenship didn't even bother to vote. Polite words can't describe what I am feeling right now. Unless China and India somehow manage to make up for by reducing their own emmissions AND America's share in not even 5 years, which is very likely impossible even under the most optimistic circumstances.
They voted for a bigot..
pixelation
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Please take me off this bizarro time line where the oompa loompa with the roadkill hair piece is gonna be leading this country starting next year...
As if /r/the_donald, Breitbart, /pol/, Stormfront, et al aren't safe space echo chambers for the alt-right. One of the common explanations for Trump defying the polls is that people hid their support for him in public.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The disease that has infected media in general and helped create this environment is the fixation with false equivalency. Every opinion on every subject has the same weight, there is no reality, only points of view, who knows what is true, the truth must always be precisely in the middle of two talking heads no matter what each one is asserting. In part, it has resulted in a lot of people who get furious when a bunch of people "gang up on them" by informing them their opinion or belief sounds cranky or uninformed.
I've seen this shit go round and round. Often the supposedly oppressed dissenting person comes into a discussion phrasing everything in a pre-emptively accusatory manner, basically saying "Oh sure, I could throw THE SEARING HOT TRUTH at you SHEEPLE, but this ECHO CHAMBER will never listen!"
See: the flag burning thread where a poster does come out, but literally cannot stop from going straight on the attack about all you stupid libruls and your stupid safe spaces you whiny little children. You can't handle the truth. Really comes across as someone who is dying for some fair and balanced discussion between adults, for a change.
I'm morbidly curious to see what the excuse will be when Florida is literally sinking beneath the waves. Shit, maybe if we explained that climate change will increase immigration and give contribute to even more refugees the right wing will take it seriously :|
Monocle
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Just remember: only around half of all eligible voters actually voted this year, and of those, fewer than half managed to elect the orange buffoon thanks to the perverse quirks of the electoral college.
The majority of Americans don't support him.
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