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[Bam Bam Baklava]

They already doubled down after obama

This is doubling the doubled down twice

So that's 6x down?

 

[SolarPowered]

The race is over the moment Carson and Cruz drop. Tons of gaffers kept doubting that this could happen, but here we are. At this point in time I can't imagine what kind of gaffe Trump would have to make in order to lose voters. Eh, at least this is entertaining to watch. Can't say much about the democratic party right now.

 

[GavinGT]

So that's 6x down?

8x

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

The race is over the moment Carson and Cruz drop. Everyone kept doubting that this could happen, but here we are. At this point in time I can't imagine what kind of gaffe Trump would have to make in order to lose voters.

Saying he thinks Allah is the one true god would probably do it.

 

[metalslimer]

Republicans have been denying how awful their base is for years. It must be horrifying for the somewhat moderates to see this. Haha and fuck jeb

 

[SolarPowered]

Saying he thinks Allah is the one true god would probably do it.

America already elected a muslin president. Surely they can do it again.

The real question is if the GOP will get its shit together after Trump messed up the whole party or if they'll see him as an example and double down on the crazy. Because seeing how the Tea Party hijacked the party overnight, it could very well go either way.

Prepare for eight years of bugfuck crazy Republicans if Hillary wins. If they change into anything resembling sanity it'll be after 2028/2032 after another democrat wins. The Republican party literally has to wait for some of their crazies to die out.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Important point: According to this poll, Trump and Carson together have over 50 % support. Many people believe that support will consolidate behind Jeb! as other establishment candidates drop out. But if this result is representative non-establishment candidates now have over 50 % of support.

 

[RPGCrazied]

CNN actually has a fucking countdown on their channel at all times to let everyone know.

And a commercial for it every break. But yeah, the whole Trump thing is getting old now. I will laugh if he ends up winning the nomination. If he wins the presidency than this world is fucked, in my opinion.

 

[justjohn]

Why is this Ben Carson so popular? Has he even said anything of note?

 

[Aureon]

USA, Trump is your very own Berlusconi. Please look forward to the prostitute ring scandal.

 

[maquiladora]

We're less than a week until the next debate. I can't wait!

Hopefully we get another one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU

 

[FreedomFighter]

I'm not sure trump is really under "control" in any meaningful sense. His campaign is a disaster for anyone with any interest in seeing the GOP succeed.

A question however. Who controls Trump...

Spoiler

Answer: His cerebral cortex.

I think Trump is an anomaly here. LIke I said in the beginning of the referenced post, Trump was just laughed off in the beginning. Now that he's gained a ton of popularity, the media are extremely passive toward him - with the exception of Fox News, who hate his guts and want him off the ticket ASAP - for the reason Manmademan mentioned.

I think Trump gained traction because he gives racist bigots, uber-nationlists, and "nativists" (lol) an excuse to be outwardly and conspicuously racist and bigoted.

 

[Foffy]

This is kind of scary, when you think about it. This is Ronald Reagan all over again, and we all know he was the epicenter of many of the problems we face in our society regarding sincere progress. His poisonous ideas live on in the minds of the ignorant.

I see unfathomable regression in the Republican party at large, but especially with Trump. Has he detailed a plan yet?

 

[Rebel Leader]

So that's 6x down?

no 8

1st double down = 2
2nd double down = 4

doubling that makes it 8

 

[Kusagari]

The real question is if the establishment vote even exists any more. The 3 establishment candidates are polling at less than 20% combined. Have the Tea Party and Christian Right taken over the entire party?

 

[Africanus]

The real question is if the establishment vote even exists any more. The 3 establishment candidates are polling at less than 20% combined. Have the Tea Party and Christian Right taken over the entire party?

And Donald Trump declared: "L'etat c'est moi!"

 

[FreedomFighter]

Why is this Ben Carson so popular? Has he even said anything of note?

Ben Carson is great for conservatives because they can prop him up when they're looking to stick it to minorities (particularly the Black community). He overcame a lot of hardship to become a physician and accomplished a great deal in his profession.

Conservatives love to point to him and give the "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" speech. That way, they can point to a success story instead of having to have tough conversations about systemic inequalities in education, housing, criminal justice, etc. which make attaining such success much harder for more minorities to achieve on a greater scale.

 

[teruterubozu]

The real question is if the establishment vote even exists any more. The 3 establishment candidates are polling at less than 20% combined. Have the Tea Party and Christian Right taken over the entire party?

I think the establishment is underrepresented this time around. Jeb seems to be the only solid establishment candidate, while most of the others have a Tea Party streak.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Cya Jeb!

 

[maxcriden]

Messages like that won't even matter when the media are covering Trumps next threat to Mexicans in spite of that deeply racist messaging resonating with no one but the deep south. The Democrats would actually be feeling pretty comfortable right now no matter which way the Republicans intend to attack them.

I hope you're right. Just befuddles me a bit that non-white individuals seem to think Bernie is disinterested in them.

 

[Foffy]

I hope you're right. Just befuddles me a bit that non-white individuals seem to think Bernie is disinterested in them.

This happens with a lack of education, I would think. Looking at Bernie's policies and he comes off more like a humanist, and that tends to abandon the game of racial tension.

But can you blame the people, who largely get their information on politics from cable media, and don't actually follow what goes on in congress or the senate? People want "fast food" consumption on politics, and they want something flashy now. If they get neither, they don't give a shit.

I'd call Bernie a slow cooker candidate. He doesn't say anything outrageous, or have a scandal that he is personally in the center of, and for Americans, that means he's dry and doesn't really exist. It's precisely why you can have people think he's against racial equality despite having an entire lifetime trying to deal with it.

The fact he's a literally who to the black community in major ways is telling of this. He doesn't exist in their domain of ignore-ance and traditional conditioning, which is largely because he doesn't have a very heavy media presence in news. At least until the start of his presidential campaign, and even then that's not super high just yet.

 

[yongeandcollege]

Republicans have been denying how awful their base is for years. It must be horrifying for the somewhat moderates to see this. Haha and fuck jeb

I've heard claims that, bluster aside, Trump is actually the most moderate of the viable republican candidates.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...y-moderate-republican-presidential-candidate/

 

[Thatonemoor]

Really?

You'd think that anyone against trump would get most of the non-white vote.

Some of the more important swing states pretty much require at least a fraction of the white vote for a dem to win.

However Sanders problem isn't getting the white Democrat vote. He polls pretty low with minorities.

 

[FStubbs]

This happens with a lack of education, I would think. Looking at Bernie's policies and he comes off more like a humanist, and that tends to abandon the game of racial tension.

But can you blame the people, who largely get their information on politics from cable media, and don't actually follow what goes on in congress or the senate? People want "fast food" consumption on politics, and they want something flashy now. If they get neither, they don't give a shit.

I'd call Bernie a slow cooker candidate. He doesn't say anything outrageous, or have a scandal that he is personally in the center of, and for Americans, that means he's dry and doesn't really exist. It's precisely why you can have people think he's against racial equality despite having an entire lifetime trying to deal with it.

The fact he's a literally who to the black community in major ways is telling of this. He doesn't exist in their domain of ignore-ance and traditional conditioning, which is largely because he doesn't have a very heavy media presence in news. At least until the start of his presidential campaign, and even then that's not super high just yet.

If that is the attitude of Sanders supporters, "those poor ignorant blacks", then it's no wonder Sanders polls poorly.

People know who the guy is. It's just that upper class liberal whites can gamble on a Sanders because the alternative isn't THAT bad for them. Minorities need a more sure thing - they'll be much worse off if Trump or Cruz win.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I hope you're right. Just befuddles me a bit that non-white individuals seem to think Bernie is disinterested in them.

I don't know if that is an accurate interpretation. The Clintons have always done well with minority Democrats, even in the 90s. Sanders isn't going to win that battle. So it isn't so much "Sanders is against us" as "I know what I'm getting with Clinton." It should have been something he addressed head on right away instead of waiting for it to be an issue. It's simple math and history given how important the minority vote is to the Dems.

 

[Gorger]

 

[fushi]

Sanders needs a proper banger like Trump. But his last name doesn't flow that well.

 

[Clefargle]

And pray so Hillary doesn't fuck this up, because based as he is, Bernie is not an easy sell.

Truth, barring any giant scandal, Hildawg got this

 

[acheron_xl]

I look forward to the brokered GOP convention.

 

[Ayato Kanzaki]

Better than the Koch brothers. Say what you want about trump, but friends of mine find him appealing because he isn't beholden to some
Special Interest. I think there's some truth to that.

That doesn't really excuse anything else but yeah. We know he's not a puppet for some billionaire donors.

The thing is, rich men are even more likely to take bribes than poor men. Money is the score by which they measure the success of their life. Trump being rich won't stop him from playing the puppet for more.

 

[Siegcram]

I didn't expect a sudden influx of intelligence among republican voters, so this development comes as no surprise.

 

[Foffy]

If that is the attitude of Sanders supporters, "those poor ignorant blacks", then it's no wonder Sanders polls poorly.

People know who the guy is. It's just that upper class liberal whites can gamble on a Sanders because the alternative isn't THAT bad for them. Minorities need a more sure thing - they'll be much worse off if Trump or Cruz win.

I didn't say poor or ignorant. I said ignore-ant, which is totally different. One is ignoring, and there are many reasons why this is. It's exactly why people are ignore-ant to the technological unemployment crisis we are going to have: this information is not being spread on wide enough of a scale to see the severity of the facts. Who here really is concerned we'll very likely have a quarter at LEAST of the labor force today in America left with zero prospects for their futures? Who here knows about the problems? I would imagine not most. Conditioning is done through information, and what I was trying to showcase is not that "blacks are dumb" but that our media has conditioned very warped views over reality. Also consider for a moment people think Black Lives Matter is a showcasing of "white oppression" towards whites, which is an example of ignore-ant conditioning. Ignore want is, and absorb what's an affront blindly. Human beings are very susceptible to this.

Furthermore, they (the people) are not ultimately responsible anyway. It's a failure on our systems to showcase people and ideas fully for what they are, and you can see the circus of the media to show this. Climate change topics are the occasional course of discussion, but never a main seat. Instead it's petty sweet little nothings at the forefront. For-profit media will want to talk about what they profit on, and the dissolution of the earth does not seem to be something not worth making money on to talk about. Maybe to make money in accelerating the destruction, but never the problems.

I would argue it's that model that has made Sanders a ghost in the media, save for the socialist shade. Sanders has long spoken about the issues that will impact us more often than any candidate running, but he does nothing fluffy about it, whether that be making a comment about another candidate. Even Hillary, and I greatly disagree with a number of her oligarchical views, has fallen into the same trap, for she's caught in a supposed e-mail scandal. This clouds anything she may be saying, be it sincere or suspicious.

Issues aren't being talked about here at all, which is why the people talking about issues the mosts are ghosts, and the 'superstars' are the ones getting all of the attention with catchphrases and shady moments. Sanders is solely the issues candidate, and that has very clearly taken a backseat in this race, at present. Look at the other party and see for yourself.

Really, consider for one moment that the Fox News debate that we had a few weeks ago didn't talk about any of the top issues facing this nation. Nothing on our continued health care crisis, our educational tumors, our failed efforts to combat poverty which will never work, the destruction of the earth, none of this has been spoken about other than regressing any solution and expanding the problem.

 

[YuriLowell]

So I get to vote for Hillary or Donald Trump.

Oh boy I love our great nation.

 

[Santiako]

Trump is like a prank that got massively out of hand.

 

[maxcriden]

This happens with a lack of education, I would think. Looking at Bernie's policies and he comes off more like a humanist, and that tends to abandon the game of racial tension.

But can you blame the people, who largely get their information on politics from cable media, and don't actually follow what goes on in congress or the senate? People want "fast food" consumption on politics, and they want something flashy now. If they get neither, they don't give a shit.

I'd call Bernie a slow cooker candidate. He doesn't say anything outrageous, or have a scandal that he is personally in the center of, and for Americans, that means he's dry and doesn't really exist. It's precisely why you can have people think he's against racial equality despite having an entire lifetime trying to deal with it.

The fact he's a literally who to the black community in major ways is telling of this. He doesn't exist in their domain of ignore-ance and traditional conditioning, which is largely because he doesn't have a very heavy media presence in news. At least until the start of his presidential campaign, and even then that's not super high just yet.

I see what you're saying (and I did presume your above distinction of ignorant vs. "ignore-ant," so I'm glad to see that clarified above and to see I interpreted it correctly in the non-demeaning way I took it to mean). I definitely can't blame people who are being espresso-fed their political news from the media. It's not their fault the delivery mechanism is so dramatized and skewed. Hopefully Sanders will be able to better get his message out to the mainstream and suffer less reductivism from the media.

I don't know if that is an accurate interpretation. The Clintons have always done well with minority Democrats, even in the 90s. Sanders isn't going to win that battle. So it isn't so much "Sanders is against us" as "I know what I'm getting with Clinton." It should have been something he addressed head on right away instead of waiting for it to be an issue. It's simple math and history given how important the minority vote is to the Dems.

I see what you're saying. I might be incorrect, but I've had a different understanding based on reading posts here on GAF. Plenty of non-white Americans on GAF and in the news seem to be under the impression that Sanders is actively disinterested in the plight of non-white persons. (I keep saying "non-white" because "minority" seems crude or demeaning somehow in this context.)

 

[HylianTom]

So I get to vote for Hillary or Donald Trump.

Oh boy I love our great nation.

Well, let's be honest.. given that Congressional gridlock is all but inevitable into the next decade, this is what we're really picking between..

 

[HiResDes]

So I get to vote for Hillary or Donald Trump.

Oh boy I love our great nation.

Help Sanders win.

 

[Diprosalic]

He's starting to approach a level of support where, even if he loses the nomination, he would still have such a large faction that he could wreak havoc.

I don't think his ego could handle losing. He might just keep fighting into the convention.

he signed the pledge.

 

[deadlast]

This is all leading to a Trump/Carson for the R card, right?

 

[Foffy]

I see what you're saying (and I did presume your above distinction of ignorant vs. "ignore-ant," so I'm glad to see that clarified above and to see I interpreted it correctly in the non-demeaning way I took it to mean). I definitely can't blame people who are being espresso-fed their political news from the media. It's not their fault the delivery mechanism is so dramatized and skewed. Hopefully Sanders will be able to better get his message out to the mainstream and suffer less reductivism from the media.



I see what you're saying. I might be incorrect, but I've had a different understanding based on reading posts here on GAF. Plenty of non-white Americans on GAF and in the news seem to be under the impression that Sanders is actively disinterested in the plight of non-white persons. (I keep saying "non-white" because "minority" seems crude or demeaning somehow in this context.)

I would imagine the debate in October may help him raise awareness, seeing as he's been trying to gain momentum against a media establishment that profits against his ideals. I don't even say this as if it'll help him win, for what is important is we make it clear as can be to the people what our problems really, honestly are, and we must do this with as little impositions or falsified evocations as possible. Even the Democratic solution to poverty - jobs - is also an affront and as terrible of a solution as the Republican party has proposed. They both skin that chicken in different ways, but the problem itself is the chicken, not the skinning: it's the ideas of jobs that is the problem. Our second machine age, which we are entering, will show us this, but I hope we can explain it before we risk unneeded depressions over psychological mumbo jumbo like jobs, money, and an economy, all of which are merely subjective ideas often confused for objective reality.

The Republican party has failed this, as for example, they paint all illegals in this country as crime-committing parasites. Is that true? I doubt it. How come nobody ever asks how many, if any, came to this country to get away from cartels and systemic corruption in Mexico?

 

[maxcriden]

he signed the pledge.

IIRC he signed the pledge contingent on the party treating him fairly, or something to that effect. I was listening to--I think it was one of NPR's Friday political roundtables, and one of the commentators was saying they wouldn't be surprised if Trump ended up saying he wasn't treated fairly by the party, and reneged on the pledge.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Some of the more important swing states pretty much require at least a fraction of the white vote for a dem to win.

However Sanders problem isn't getting the white Democrat vote. He polls pretty low with minorities.

Even if the other option is donald trump?

What did sanders even do?

 

[gutter_trash]

Hillary must be punching her self.
Trump would have guaranteed the Dems the Presidency

 

[Marion Cobretti]

Not that I'm trying to make any comparisons, but Herman Caine and Santorum were in the lead at one point too.

Perhaps it's still too early and the only people being polled are the ultra lunatics.

I say if come March, Trump is still in first place, then this election is over.

 

[Beelzebufo]

The most amazing thing about watching Trump is observing how the media laughed and made a joke out of him in the beginning - then they start tripping over each other trying to get an interview with him once he went up in the polls. Now they show INCREDIBLE deference to him and fawn over whatever he says. It's amazing the media we have.


Every candidate is controlled by someone. The people who choose who we get to choose from.

It's pretty ridiculous, but to be fair a lot of pundits were defending him way back in the "rapists and murders" days.

Even if the other option is donald trump?

What did sanders even do?

Apparently he hates black people or something? Donald Trump could get the black and Latino vote over Sanders because Trump isn't racist- he just calls it as he sees it.

 

[Future PhaZe]

interested to see what the mood is at the next debate--everybody just avoided him last time, hoping he'd just tank himself, but its clear he's going to have to be shoved off his pedestal.

It aint gonna be Jeb. Dude is soft as shit.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

I hope you're right. Just befuddles me a bit that non-white individuals seem to think Bernie is disinterested in them.

I read an article that touched on this a bit. It makes the easy and flawed comparison to Trump unfortunately, but the latter half of the article did get me to think of the possibility that Sanders's unpopularity with minorities isn't just because of the lack of media coverage.

 

[Missile Defense]

Ben Carson second place behind Trump?

I mean as ridiculous as Trump is.. BEN CARSON?

THIS GUY???

Goes to show how little I know these candidates. I guess I'm for trump because I feel I know him best.

Was saying to myself that Carson seems reasonable but a little passive and weak. Now he seems much less reasonable, still weak, but also slightly off his rocker.

 

[Ecotic]

It seems no one has the right combination of talent and resume to take down Trump. Kasich or Rubio, maybe. Jeb might eventually have the right combination of money and backing.

There's still 4 and a half months to go until Iowa, Trump's numbers could come back down.

 

[DragonSworne]

It seems no one has the right combination of talent and resume to take down Trump. Kasich or Rubio, maybe. Jeb might eventually have the right combination of money and backing.

There's still 4 and a half months to go until Iowa, Trump's numbers could come back down.

Why would you want any of those buffoons to replace Trump? He's way better than any other Republican candidate.