dreampeppers99
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Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
- Thread starter Chobel
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Exactly what I expeced. Just to stir up bullshit. As you can see, it worked. There are several (online) media outlets with "Developers don't like the PS4" articles.
Hilarious!
superNESjoe
Member
Am I missing something? I thought his initial tweet was obvious that he only spoke to one person. He had a source that told him most developers don't like this. He trusted that source based on unknown personal reasons.
It always seemed clear to me that it was his source who had been discussing this with other devs, not Colin directly.
So, what part of this am I missing? Did something new get clarified or are people going out of their way looking for a reason to demonize someone again?
^ Not sarcasm. Legit question.
It always seemed clear to me that it was his source who had been discussing this with other devs, not Colin directly.
So, what part of this am I missing? Did something new get clarified or are people going out of their way looking for a reason to demonize someone again?
^ Not sarcasm. Legit question.
Movalpolos
Banned
I wonder why you can't read the the thread.
Movalpolos
Banned
Yeah spreading false information is pretty fucking hilarious.
CosmicQueso
Member
"Most developers the source has spoken with do not like ps4k" is very, very different than "source says most developers don't like ps4k"
One is personal experience, the other attempts to represent all experience. Very different messaging.
How else would the source know what those developers think?
Jacksinthe
Banned
This splains why he never responded to me on Twitter. I don't like people putting words in devs (my) mouths just to attention whore to feel "in the know".
I feel, just speaking for me, if iterative consoles and single OS are the future - this gives me broader reach down the line as I would devolop for a brand and not a single incremental box. The ability to reach everyone that owns a branded box is appealing.
This is enough to offset the negatives of added dev time, IMO.
Edit: I'm very much "the glass is at 50% capacity" on this with a slight lean towards "half full". My opinion can change pending on implementation.
I feel, just speaking for me, if iterative consoles and single OS are the future - this gives me broader reach down the line as I would devolop for a brand and not a single incremental box. The ability to reach everyone that owns a branded box is appealing.
This is enough to offset the negatives of added dev time, IMO.
Edit: I'm very much "the glass is at 50% capacity" on this with a slight lean towards "half full". My opinion can change pending on implementation.
Movalpolos
Banned
Is this what he said word for word in the podcast?
CosmicQueso
Member
Don't be obtuse. Not a good look.
Movalpolos
Banned
Just messaged Chobel to have him update the OP.
If he doesn't, I'll make a new thread.
If he doesn't, I'll make a new thread.
CosmicQueso
Member
you listen through the podcast? What's the time stamp?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Wow, some of you really don't like Colin, do you?
Movalpolos
Banned
I like accuracy.
Not some emotionally driven bullshit to attempt to distort and spread misinformation because of his fucking agenda.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
And what's his agenda here? To express his disdain for the very idea behind the NEO?
Movalpolos
Banned
Don't try to change the subject.
You are failing to see the issue with lying about information in his tweet?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I don't see the lie here.
Movalpolos
Banned
Oh your post history says it all. Nevermind, you aren't worth discussing this with.
Elginer
Member
Bingo.
daemissary
Member
What do you think his agenda is? He's one of the larger pro-Sony members of the video game press and has been for years.
If anything, I think it's delightful that he holds Sony's feet to the fire and criticizes them when they make bad decisions rather than try and rationalize everything and pretend that Sony is infallible.
Bots are better than you
Banned
What's the problem? He talked to one source, source talked to x devs, i don't see anything wrong?
Ha, talking about a pretty good self-description.
Movalpolos
Banned
What if he was lying in the podcast?
Or does that not support your agenda
You don't know me or my views on PS4K. I'm not actually entirely for it either.
I take a huge issue with journalists not committing to their responsibility to inform.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Because there is nothing wrong here.
Makes it easy to decide who goes on the ignore list.
Ok - but it seems pretty simple to me: he has 1 source, that source spoke to multiple developers who are not happy. Ergo there is no "lie".
And yet for someone lamenting about "emotionally driven bullshit" you seem pretty overzealous in your attempts to jump to PS4Ks defence, is all.
Movalpolos
Banned
Talked to "x" devs?
What is "x"?
How many?
How many is most?
Most of who he talked to?
Or Most as in the Majority of devs that exist?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Talk about being pedantic to fit an agenda.
Movalpolos
Banned
Again, I am not defending this shit.
It's weird, I don't like it. It's right in the middle of the console gen, PSVR is supposed to come out and by this PS4K coming out it completely contradicts what Andrew House said at the price reveal at GDC. Stating that the advantage of PSVR is that it is on one piece of hardware. There is a lot that I think is wrong with it and It's a bad decision at the this point imo.
This is besides the point. Colin is obfuscating the truth.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yep. Colin and Greg have said over and over again that they aren't journalists, not anymore. They are pundits.
Then we need to stop giving 50 pages of attention to what a pundit is saying.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Pundit has a negative connotation thanks to Fox News, but it is simply someone who has expert knowledge on a particular field who offers their opinion and commentary on that field to the mass media.
Movalpolos
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I see. I wasn't aware of that.
In that case this tweet holds even less weight.
In that case this tweet holds even less weight.
Bad decisions according to...
To be clear I am neither for or against PS4K (I guess I might be a rare breed on Gaf atm), but I have read many many posts from people asking to have a more powerful PS4 (1080p60) that would also support 4K tvs (upscaled 4k games, UHDBR, etc) for months, long before any glimmer of a PS4K rumor ever surfaced.
The way I see it, there -is- a demand for such a product.
How big remains to be seen.
Movalpolos
Banned
Well he's an expert in being a complete idiot then.
He really isn't.
"Source says most devs not happy" is what he said.
It's common sense that he means "most devs" who the source has spoken to. How else would he know?
Movalpolos
Banned
Oh ffs.
Like I said: "Emotionally driven" is not something you should be lamenting in somebody else.
I don't even know what point you guys are arguing anymore lol
Movalpolos
Banned
No.
I'm saying ffs because the tweet is intentionally worded that way to hide the truth of it.
Read the replies in this thread. Everyone assumes it is indeed "Most developers".
Not "Most developers spoken to".
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
And the true colors are exposed.
He is also a member of GAF for your reference.
If you are a child or have an agenda to discredit him and protect Sony's virtue maybe.
I assume you never learned common sense?
superNESjoe
Member
Not everyone. I worded above I thought the meaning was obvious.
I'm going to assume that you don't *literally* mean everyone though, because common sense. You getting my point here?
Ok let's hypothesize that I live on the planet Movalpolos for second and I have a conversation thus:
In the above scenario, am I lying and/or obfuscating the truth?
Some of the pro Neo or anti Colin posters in here are insufferable. Calling out others for being emotionally charged or obfuscating the truth, when they're the ones ironically doing just that!
What Colin said in his tweet is not a lie, nor is it an obfuscation of the truth. His trusted source is the one who spoke to the developers, and most of those developers were not happy about the PS4K. Him not speaking to the developers personally doesn't change that, nor did he even state that.
What he said actually lines up with what Shinobi also said is the sentiment he got from speaking with devs, and that another developer publicly went on record saying as well. Are you going to throw those two under the bus because it doesn't line up with your preferred narrative as well?
Ridiculous.
What Colin said in his tweet is not a lie, nor is it an obfuscation of the truth. His trusted source is the one who spoke to the developers, and most of those developers were not happy about the PS4K. Him not speaking to the developers personally doesn't change that, nor did he even state that.
What he said actually lines up with what Shinobi also said is the sentiment he got from speaking with devs, and that another developer publicly went on record saying as well. Are you going to throw those two under the bus because it doesn't line up with your preferred narrative as well?
Ridiculous.
Movalpolos
Banned
You said "some". That is already giving more info than Colin did.
If you go on to write that tweet without adding in that "some" then yes, you are obfuscating the truth.
superNESjoe
Member
Hold on to those straws really tight.
You should read my reply to you above, the one that discredits your post but also makes a point about applying some common sense when gathering meaning from a statement.
Fine, re-read it and ignore "some" then (these aren't the exact words of their conversation - I made them up /spoiler)
My point remains exactly the same.
Movalpolos
Banned
At best it leaves it open to interpretation. I'll agree with that.
And if something is open to interpretation, use common sense.