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[Gr1mLock]

"Its funny and that's all that matters" really isn't that much better as a defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjIuPSuYSOY

 

[B-Dubs]

It seems plain as day to me.

What's funny about racial humor a century ago? "that minority has laughable traits"

What's funny about racial humor now? "Racism is laughable"

The butt of the joke is on a completely different subject.

People didn't get Inception and that movie was like 50% exposition.

I always thought she was a parody of white people...

That's the idea. She's created a caricature of the white person who is completely oblivious to racial issues and then makes them look like an idiot for laughs. The joke is, "I can't believe that some white people are so oblivious and say shit like that in this day and age." The joke is at her, her character's, expense.

 

[Infinite]

People didn't get Inception and that movie was like 50% exposition.



That's the idea. She's created a caricature of the white person who is completely oblivious to racial issues and then makes them look like an idiot for laughs. The joke is, "I can't believe that some white people are so oblivious and say shit like that in this day and age." The joke is at her, her character's, expense.

I did not know that about her comedy. Like with Stephen Colbert I know he's faking being an American conservative to point out how dumb those guys are but I never figured this about her.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

I always thought she was a parody of white people...

people still dont get her act, even in this thread

 

[B-Dubs]

I did not know that about her comedy. Like with Stephen Colbert I know he's faking being an American conservative to point but I never figured this about her.

The issue is likely that she's not always in character like Colbert is, she can shift in and out but if you pay attention you can see the shift pretty clearly. It's not the sort of thing you can spot in a short youtube video.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I did not know that about her comedy. Like with Stephen Colbert I know he's faking being an American conservative to point out how dumb those guys are but I never figured this about her.

I've seen a lot of her standup, and she doesn't really have a "setup" for these kinds of jokes. She usually uses them as buffers between longer jokes. She just puts on the "valley girl" voice and says something awful in a sentence or two and moves on.

I get what she's doing, but that "consensual" joke could use a lot of work.

 

[Phased]

It appears there is an directly proportional relationship between A) how many people are offended at a joke and B) how funny I think that joke is.

Yeah, same here. I guess that makes me kind of an asshole but comedy people get bent out of shape over is innately more funny for some reason. People who take themselves too seriously or are easily offended tend to be pretty easy targets. South Park has been doing it for over a decade now.

Context is also important. There's a difference between a stand-up routine that's very obviously satirical, and some idiot doing racist or sexist things on youtube and yelling "it's a prank bro!"

 

[Portugeezer]

I enjoy a bit of dark humour (no pun intended). Love Frankie Boyle.

 

[biggersmaller]

Amy Schumer shouldn't have to defend herself, but I'm glad she did. Like Noah, C.K., and MacFarlane - hyper liberals who have nothing better to do go to the airwaves, blogs, and Twitter are utilizing their self-appointed heightened sense of morality to fuel some idiotic backlash.

Look, if you don't find an act funny - feel free to be a critic. Everyone is. Then simply stop watching. However, using racial sensitivity as the as the sole barometer by which entertainment is worth tearing down or not is narrow minded. Doing so makes you no different than the suburban housewives with nothing better to do than write to ther local FOX affiliate about Bart Simpson.

Just listen to Patrice:

http://youtu.be/fjIuPSuYSOY

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Amy Schumer shouldn't have to defend herself, but I'm glad she did. Like Noah, C.K., and MacFarlane - hyper liberals who have nothing better to do go to the airwaves, blogs, and Twitter are utilizing their self-appointed heightened sense of morality to fuel some idiotic backlash.

Look, if you don't find an act funny - feel free to be a critic. Everyone is. Then simply stop watching.

Who are you talking to here? Who's not doing this?

However, using racial sensitivity as the as the sole barometer by which entertainment is worth tearing down or not is narrow minded. Doing so makes you no different than the suburban housewives with nothing better to do than write to ther local FOX affiliate about Bart Simpson.

There is far more thought put into these criticisms than you're willing to accept. Almost every criticism I've seen, both here and in links around the Internet, understand racial vs racist humor and how to craft a responsible yet irreverent and "offensive" race joke.

Just listen to Patrice:

http://youtu.be/fjIuPSuYSOY

Patrice has become racist or sexist comedy's Stephen Fry meme.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Patrice has become racist or sexist comedy's Stephen Fry meme.

Yeeeeep.

 

[Portugeezer]

Kill comedy. PC crowd won't allow for it any more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjF_2MA7Xc

(sorry if posted already)

 

[K.Jack]

So a bunch of old bad jokes that play on stereotypes? Yeah I don't get her appeal, none of that shit was remotely funny or clever.

Look at the crowd. Her appeal is to white people who are glad they can laugh openly about racist stuff.

 

[Infinite]

The issue is likely that she's not always in character like Colbert is, she can shift in and out but if you pay attention you can see the shift pretty clearly. It's not the sort of thing you can spot in a short youtube video.

I've seen a lot of her standup, and she doesn't really have a "setup" for these kinds of jokes. She usually uses them as buffers between longer jokes. She just puts on the "valley girl" voice and says something awful in a sentence or two and moves on.

I get what she's doing, but that "consensual" joke could use a lot of work.

I see. I guess it's kinda like Daniel Tosh and his whole schickt is him being a asshole but sometimes people aren't always going to laugh with regardless of the facade.

 

[biggersmaller]

Who are you talking to here? Who's not doing this?

There is far more thought put into these criticisms than you're willing to accept. Almost every criticism I've seen, both here and in links around the Internet, understand racial vs racist humor and how to craft a responsible yet irreverent and "offensive" race joke.

Patrice has become racist or sexist comedy's Stephen Fry meme.

What this essentially boils down to is racist jokes are not funny...unless they are to the critic. Which is what I'm saying. I'm just commenting on the way hyper liberal critics love a good witch hunt often over one joke, even if the comic has a 90% chance of being just as liberal and tells controversial jokes their entire career.

Also, what's discussed in that video clip shouldn't be dismissed as a "meme." It;s a disservice to Patrice. He makes a great good argument that an unfunny controversial joke is often born from the same place as your "responsible and irreverent" ones.

 

[Zukuu]

Look at the crowd. Her appeal is to white people who are glad they can laugh openly about racist stuff.

Yeah that's the motivation. Damn all those racists.

Spoiler

Are you serious?!

 

[biggersmaller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjF_2MA7Xc

(sorry if posted already)

I've never seen this. Great points!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

What this essentially boils down to is racist jokes are not funny...unless they are to the critic. Which is what I'm saying. I'm just commenting on the way hyper liberal critics love a good witch hunt often over one joke, even if the comic has a 90% chance of being just as liberal and tells controversial jokes their entire career.

What difference does it make if people criticize a bad joke even if the comedian's otherwise on point with their acts? You said people should criticize. That's what happened. Someone who writes for the Guardian wrote an editorial. Witch hunt, lol.

 

[JCizzle]

Look at the crowd. Her appeal is to white people who are glad they can laugh openly about racist stuff.

Jesus.

 

[biggersmaller]

What difference does it make if people criticize a bad joke even if the comedian's otherwise on point with their acts? You said people should criticize. That's what happened. Someone who writes for the Guardian wrote an editorial. Witch hunt, lol.

Yes, I said people should criticize. What my problem is the inconsistency and overreaction to blue comedy. Suddenly morality becomes the primary issue (not the joke) when the act doesn't seem to land. It really is to the point to where there are witch hunts, yes. Witch hunts. On top of what Schumer is responding to, when Noah's being told by hyper liberal commentators via blogs, Twitter, and TV that he shouldn't take Stewart's chair due to a single joke - I call that a witch hunt. Or when Louis C.K. is called a Misogynist Bigot - I call that a witch hunt. When Seinfeld (a relatively clean act) takes heat over race remarks.

It really is liberals cannibalizing each other. It becomes unnecessarily political.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yes, I said people should criticize. What my problem is the inconsistency and overreaction to blue comedy. Suddenly morality becomes the primary issue (not the joke) when the act doesn't seem to land. It really is to the point to where there are witch hunts, yes. Witch hunts. On top of what Schumer is responding to, when Noah's being told by hyper liberal commentators via blogs, Twitter, and TV that he shouldn't take Stewart's chair due to a single joke - I call that a witch hunt. Or when Louis C.K. is called a Misogynist Bigot - I call that a witch hunt. When Seinfeld (a relatively clean act) takes heat over race remarks.

It really is liberals cannibalizing each other. It becomes unnecessarily political.

So when the Guardian posted a single article criticizing a comedian, they were overreacting and going on a witch hunt?

I'll say what has to be said many times in every thread:

the most outrage over this subject is coming from people who defend the comedians. This wouldn't be as big as it is if one single article wasn't blown out of proportion.

 

[biggersmaller]

So when the Guardian posted a single article criticizing a comedian, they were overreacting and going on a witch hunt?

I'll say what has to be said many times in every thread:

the most outrage over this subject is coming from people who defend the comedians. This wouldn't be as big as it is if one single article wasn't blown out of proportion.

I don't think I'm responding to just that one article. I'm responding to this, this, and this also (amongst the others I just don't have time to Google).

 

[Lazyslob]

liu kang bakes a pie lives for dis

 

[A Link to the Past]

I don't think I'm responding to just that one article. I'm responding to this, this, and this also (amongst the others I just don't have time to Google).

Lord knows, the criticisms have destroyed Schumer's career.

 

[biggersmaller]

Lord knows, the criticisms have destroyed Schumer's career.

That was never the point.

 

[A Link to the Past]

That was never the point.

Then what is the point? That her being criticized is unfair?

 

[biggersmaller]

Then what is the point? That her being criticized is unfair?

If you read my posts I never said that her career was over. I would better summarize that I think the hyper liberal's overreaction to that joke was snowballed by political motivation more than a criticism of her actual work.

 

[YoungHav]

Comedy is comedy. The Jennifer joke and some others were rather lazy but I do my see what there is to get up in arms about.

Lisa Lamponelli's shit makes me crack the fuck up. She's so irreverent.

She really isn't funny. That Chapelle male rape joke is far more controversial, but you know he's actually funny and stuff. Her jokes are lazy, but nothing to talk about.

Agree. Chappelle tackled more offensive material and did it funnier.

 

[Frog-fu]

Bump for those still interested.

Washington Post Writer Who Accused Amy Schumer Of Racism Never Saw Her Standup or TV Show

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

here is a summary of these types of threads on neogaf

post: so and so comedian offends so and so group
some posters: omfg terrible, somethings you just dont joke about and this not funny
other posters: stfu learn to take a joke or u can git out
some posters: nope i love 2 laugh but this jokes aren't funny, very distasteful, very offensive
other posters: patrice oneal video, can't tell jokes anymore without offending someone.jpg
some posters: luol false equivalency, u have no argument butu patrick oneal video
other posters: then jus dont watch this comedy
some posters: oh u think comedians r untouchable and can't be criticize! shameful

and around and around and around it goes!

 

[Lazyslob]

Patrice has become racist or sexist comedy's Stephen Fry meme.

nah. it helps that this is pretty much exactly what patrice always talks about and in stephens frys case they just used some random quote for everything.

 

[norm9]

Ima boycott her. #boycotther

 

[Firelord Chargrilled]

Those videos just reminded me how sad I am Patrice oneal isn't here ;(

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Bump for those still interested.

Washington Post Writer Who Accused Amy Schumer Of Racism Never Saw Her Standup or TV Show

HA! Isn't this like some Gaffers who get called out for criticizing a game they've never played?

 

[Rentahamster]

HA! Isn't this like some Gaffers who get called out for criticizing a game they've never played?

That's like 87% of us. /s

 

[Mighty Chin]

here is a summary of these types of threads on neogaf

post: so and so comedian offends so and so group
some posters: omfg terrible, somethings you just dont joke about and this not funny
other posters: stfu learn to take a joke or u can git out
some posters: nope i love 2 laugh but this jokes aren't funny, very distasteful, very offensive
other posters: patrice oneal video, can't tell jokes anymore without offending someone.jpg
some posters: luol false equivalency, u have no argument butu patrick oneal video
other posters: then jus dont watch this comedy
some posters: oh u think comedians r untouchable and can't be criticize! shameful

and around and around and around it goes!

Spot on Summary

 

[davepoobond]

HA! Isn't this like some Gaffers who get called out for criticizing a game they've never played?

you get points for killing prostitutes in grand theft auto

 

[Jag]

you get points for killing prostitutes in grand theft auto

Killing prostitutes is wrong tho. GTA should be banned (never played GTA)

 

[Retromelon]

Look at the crowd. Her appeal is to white people who are glad they can laugh openly about racist stuff.

Way to get it totally wrong bro.

 

[Stinkles]

She calls out a series of “tactless” jokes Schumer’s made, including the line, “I used to date Latino guys. Now I prefer consensual

This is what set Trump on his dark path!


Comedy evolves. There are periods where our parents are laughing at things we find uncomfortable. That's how it works. We cringe, we complain a bit and the next generation is different and not necessarily tamer, in fact the opposite is true and it generally gets more sophisticated.

Even Larry the Cable Guy is far cleverer and less offensive than whatever his counterpart thirty years ago was.

 

[way more]

Dr. Patton said a few things that surprised me. For starters, she said she’s not a specialist on comedy or humor. While she does enjoy comedy she told me that watching comedy isn’t something she gets to do often.

Despite seeing the quotes out of context, and without the benefit of knowing anything about Amy’s comedy, she was comfortable making judgements about whether Schumer’s comedy was or wasn’t racist. She also was comfortable deciding whether Schumer’s audience was or wasn’t racially diverse (she characterizes Amy’s following as predominately white).

And so when I kind of looked at some of the coverage on Schumer, I initially thought meh. This woman is joking. You know, myself and a lot of people are still grieving the lives of those people in Charleston.

“But then I thought about Donald Trump’s remarks and then the fact that a few days later Dylann Roof stands up in a church and before shooting nine people says, “taking over my country you’re raping our women” despite the fact that most of his victims were black women. And then it was Schumer’s comments about Mexican men and rapists. And I thought, see, that’s when I had to say something.”

Patton has made presumptions regarding the racial composition of Schumer’s audience, and she has also made presumptions about the effect Schumer’s comedy has on her audience. Those presumptions are made without any real information, and seem to be based on nothing more than speculation and her own social media following.

“Based on the images that I’ve seen, photos of her– again, I have not watched any of her videos but if I look and I see a predominantly white audience that tells me something right there. And based on what I’m seeing on social media– and I have a huge social media audience myself, most of the black people that are commenting– actually all of them that I’m seeing– have been reacting very negatively to her. So that tells me that she’s not very popular among people of color. The vast majority of people of color who watch comedy don’t watch her. They watch the Queens of Comedy or the Kings of Comedy

I asked Dr. Patton how she would feel to find out that people of color laugh at these jokes. She told me that there have always been all kinds of black people, including those who are self hating, or disagree with affirmative action, or were overseers on the plantations.

I guess that's what you get when ask a doctor of history to write an article about a up and coming comic. We really need to start asking people what their humor qualifications are before letting them blather on about who should be offended and who is a "overseer on the plantations."

 

[Bishop89]

Comedians should get a free pass. Russell peters would be out of a job if we take sex, race and stereotypes away.

 

[davepoobond]

Comedians should get a free pass. Russell peters would be out of a job if we take sex, race and stereotypes away.

inoffensive jokes are the best though. like, why the chicken crossed the road and shit like that

I guess that's what you get when ask a doctor of history to write an article about a up and coming comic. We really need to start asking people what their humor qualifications are before letting them blather on about who should be offended and who is a "overseer on the plantations."

there are all kinds of historians, you see...

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Comedians should get a free pass. Russell peters would be out of a job if we take sex, race and stereotypes away.

They don't really need a free pass. Offensive jokes can be great. People just want to know they're not laughing with an asshole.

 

[Lazyslob]

I guess that's what you get when ask a doctor of history to write an article about a up and coming comic. We really need to start asking people what their humor qualifications are before letting them blather on about who should be offended and who is a "overseer on the plantations."

ugh

 

[jerry1594]

Love the, "I'm a half jew lol, I know what it's like!" addendum.

 

[Infinite]

Comedians should get a free pass. Russell peters would be out of a job if we take sex, race and stereotypes away.

A free pass to what? A career with out criticism?

 

[ivysaur12]

Well-thought out criticism is fair and comedians don't necessary deserve a free pass from being critiqued, like anyone else who says anything.

However, understanding context before you critique is equally important and LORD IN HEAVEN AT LEAST WATCH THE DAMN THING YOURE CRITIQUING.

 

[B-Dubs]

Well-thought out criticism is fair and comedians don't necessary deserve a free pass from being critiqued, like anyone else who says anything.

However, understanding context before you critique is equally important and LORD IN HEAVEN AT LEAST WATCH THE DAMN THING YOURE CRITIQUING.

For real, you learn in high school English that context is important and not to take lines out of context. That's like day 1 material.

 

[RE_Player]

The jokes aren't offensive in my opinion but man I am so tired of race related humour. I feel like it's the same old joke recycled over and over again.