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[A Link to the Past]

If a white person has a store and refuses to let a black person in based on the color of their skin, what happens? They get called racist and their store gets crushed in the media and on the internet.

its called criticism, if people use "reverse racism", thats them, but i think it was dumb to exclude people who seemed like they wanted to help

The store is excluding black people because they're black.

The group is only for black people because it is about black issues.

"False equivalence" seems like a really inadequate way to describe this comparison.

 

[Massa]

. wrong thread.

 

[The Faceless Master]

You can, but I don't think straight up accusing anyone who gives criticism on the issue should immediately be painted as a racist or not a good ally, or as trying to secretly undermine the group.

why not? history has proven that this is the only logical choice.

I personally do not believe that demonizing all cops is a productive way to actually try to solve any of these issues. If anything, it'll make things worse by increasing the tension between the groups. I agree that pressure needs to be put on the police force and that major reforms are necessary. I just think doing that can be achieved through means that are less inflammitory.

they demonize themselves by their stop snitching blue gangsta mentality.

 

[AkumaNiko]

if a blue cop murders a black person based on the color of their skin, what happens? the media trawls the internet for the worst possible photos to use and digs up their entire life story to say they deserved to die in an "officer involved shooting"

wow, i did not know that Na'vi are cops now in the US.

Let me "twist" that statement of yours, what if it was a black cop that killed a black person, do you give that cop the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Aaronrules380]

why not? history has proven that this is the only logical choice.




they demonize themselves by their stop snitching blue gangsta mentality.

I don't see how you can say all cops are involved in said stop snitching mentality. I'd say in many cases that reflects more on a corrupt upper echelon than on every rank and file officer.

I also don't see how anyone could think having all the cops who want change and for things to improve to quit the force is any sort of good idea

 

[D i Z]

How are people supposed to educate themselves if no one is willing to include them in a discussion?

People have, for hundreds of years. Pick up a book. Talk to a friend. Walk a mile. Work it out and act like a grown up doing things with grown up stakes. Just stop expecting the need to move forward to 'slow up' because you can't keep up.

 

[A Link to the Past]

so all white people are oppressors? Im white but im a second gen american, my family lineage never been involved in slavery nor do any of my family members hold or has ever held office to make any laws, does that make me an oppressor?

A lot of black people aren't comfortable having a discussion about race and institutional racism with white people because it does often become a lot of the shitty talking points brought up in this thread that wind up distracting the discussion. It's also a matter of comfort of people who express either conscious or unconscious racism.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

so all white people are oppressors? Im white but im a second gen american, my family lineage never been involved in slavery nor do any of my family members hold or has ever held office to make any laws, does that make me an oppressor?

It's not about you.

 

[The Faceless Master]

wow, i did not know that Na'vi are cops now in the US.

Let me "twist" that statement of yours, what if it was a black cop that killed a black person, do you give that cop the benefit of the doubt?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209903697&postcount=253

 

[excelsiorlef]

wow, i did not know that Na'vi are cops now in the US.

Let me "twist" that statement of yours, what if it was a black cop that killed a black person, do you give that cop the benefit of the doubt?

No

 

[AkumaNiko]

The store is excluding black people because they're black.

The group is only for black people because it is about black issues.

"False equivalence" seems like a really inadequate way to describe this comparison.

bullshit, if that same white store excluded black people using the guise of "just for white people" there will still be an uproar.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It's not about you.

This too. It's frustrating watching """"""allies"""""" try to make discussions about race, gender, sexuality, etc. about themselves.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

All over pancakes. Sheesh.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This too. It's frustrating watching allies try to make discussions about race about themselves.

"Allies"

 

[A Link to the Past]

bullshit, if that same white store excluded black people using the guise of "just for white people" there will still be an uproar.

Except exclusion of black people historically is an act meant to oppress them. Are you implying that BLM's goal is oppression of white people?

"Allies"

Thanks, fixed

 

[Aselith]

I don't see how you can say all cops are involved in said stop snitching mentality. I'd say in many cases that reflects more on a corrupt upper echelon than on every rank and file officer.

That's US police

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Yes, what honest cops. They sure did behave in a respectful way when they tried to make them feel guilty for being afraid of them.

So paying for someone's check to show them you're not included in their generalization is a bad move. Ok.

 

[HStallion]

All over pancakes. Sheesh.

You know its almost like there is an underlying issue between the police and minorities in America... that's so far fetched though, no one would believe that.

 

[D i Z]

It's knuckleheaded discussions like this that prove that most of you so-called- allies aren't ready to participate. You're proving the screening process to be effective, and worse absolutely essential.

 

[AkumaNiko]

Except exclusion of black people historically is an act meant to oppress them. Are you implying that BLM's goal is oppression of white people?



Thanks, fixed

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

with that, im done with this thread.

 

[excelsiorlef]

So paying for someone's check to show them you're not included in their generalization is a bad move. Ok.

Again... the note.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

You know its almost like there is an underlying issue between the police and minorities in America... that's so far fetched though, no one would believe that.

Well duh. It's a benign jesture but reading this thread you'd assume the OP said the cops killed them.

 

[A Link to the Past]

So paying for someone's check to show them you're not included in their generalization is a bad move. Ok.

Is there a reason you ignored the content of the note? Like, I legitimately cannot understand the mindset of someone who believes that these cops were being selfless when they had a waitress refer to them as "the cops you didn't want to sit next to" with a sarcastic "Thank you for your support." (this literally cannot be sarcasm because the people didn't do anything specifically in that situation in support of the cops or the diner). It's a guilt trip.

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

Because participation by white allies is not an inherent right in these discussions. It's also rather amazing how outraged people get about these things, given that cases where white people are left out of certain discussions are anomalies. You know what's really hard? Having a discussion and hearing an ally lift their finger and say "Well actually"

 

[excelsiorlef]

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

Do you think all they are doing is meeting at the library?

 

[The Faceless Master]

bullshit, if that same white store excluded black people using the guise of "just for white people" there will still be an uproar.

what's not bullshit is the real cops that really do get away with real murder.

what is bullshit is watching as you distract with talk about the hypothetical white store and hypothetical media response when we have actual examples of actual racism in actual places and people defend it. like Martese Johnson... people bent over backwards on that

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

with that, im done with this thread.

"previously"

 

[Aselith]

Do you think all they are doing is meeting at the library?

Not anymore! There are rules for this shit

 

[A Link to the Past]

"previously"

I didn't even catch that

""""""Allies"""""" am I right

 

[AkumaNiko]

"previously"

ugh ok, this is my last note, that came out wrong. I meant in the context of actual slavery, not current oppression

 

[The Faceless Master]

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

with that, im done with this thread.

Thank you for your support.

 

[D i Z]

Shit. What the hell was I thinking... Enjoy the hamster wheel.

 

[A Link to the Past]

ugh ok, this is my last note, that came out wrong. I meant in the context of actual slavery, not current oppression

Uh, there's been tons of horrific acts of oppression. It's not just slavery. Police killed hundreds of affluent black people by dropping dynamite on them. Police intentionally allowed a fire to burn, causing an entire black neighborhood to burn to the ground. Jim Crow, segregation, the war on drugs, etc. White supremacy isn't going away for a very long time. I doubt I'll be around when it's gone.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

no of course not, i think its dumb to exclude a race that previously oppressed you. How can get get your point across if you are only discussing it within your own race?

with that, im done with this thread

Based on these threads, it's abundantly clear that including everyone in the discussion isn't magically going to make BLM able to get their points across to people who won't listen to anything that isn't the sound a pair of lips make when kissing an ass.

If nothing else, you've done a truly exemplary job of demonstrating why those meetings didn't need to be public.

 

[Az987]

I saw this on Facebook but there was a better one where a white cop hugged a black woman and her son at a park and then a better one where a black woman hugged a white cop at a dollar store.

 

[quickwhips]

I read the thread title and immediately guessed that they picked up the tab. Not that surprising really.

I thought they shot the people. How did you guess?

 

[The Faceless Master]

I thought they shot the people. How did you guess?

tee ball

 

[Shamrock7r]

I was all for this being a feel good story but the note they wrote on the check ruins it. It was obviously done to spite the people who moved and not to give them any deeper reflection on the positives of interacting with police officers.

 

[notworksafe]

i would stick my fingers down my throat and vomit the food up.

then pay for my own meal with my own money.

and leave a TWENTY DOLLAR tip.

food paid for by the unjustly spilled blood of innocents? no thanks sir.

 

[Omnii-chan]

A nice gesture ruined by an insulting note. Also paying for their meal is a personal act of kindness. It makes them look like nice individuals, but probably doesn't change their mind on cops in general.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

How about instead of a tab, you print out your department's statistics for unarmed shootings, nonlethal takedowns, arrest demographics, etc. as well as proof against racial profiling and tip that next time?

 

[Christopher]

I hope the sergeant paid.

 

[J-Rzez]

i feel like this tweet can't be re-posted enough

Some people are never happy. Many depts are runninng on skeleton crews as is due to tax cuts and you think they can pull people to do this? I'm sure if there was one many would show up if off duty. Not so sure how ambitious they'd be any time soon though in recent events.

I think the note is an expression that they have feelings too. Good LEOs getting dragged through the mud just like others. It works both ways, like it or not.

 

[7DollarHagane]

"Oh you paid for my meal? Well I guess that makes up for you murdering my friends and oppressing my community."

Did these people murder anyone or oppress anyone? Do you even know their names?

 

[commedieu]

Imagine they money they'd save if police had accountability.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Some people are never happy. Many depts are runninng on skeleton crews as is due to tax cuts and you think they can pull people to do this?

If they have time to play basketball, they have time to join the protestors.

 

[J-Rzez]

If they have time to play basketball, they have time to join the protestors.

There's a difference between being "on patrol" in your jurisdiction and doing nice things and leaving to a different area all together for something. I'd think that's a pretty acceptable thing to understand. Besides, it's better to give back to the communities you're protecting I think, a much better statement. But no one will ever be happy with/about anything. It's not like police don't join walks. Look what recently happened.

 

[17 Seconds]

it does sound kind of passive aggressive, and even if it was genuine, it's not really noteworthy. we all know that a lot of cops are good. even if these guys are the good ones, paying a bill doesn't change anything.

 

[kame-sennin]

dat good police marketing machine

#copaganda

 

[Media]

it does sound kind of passive aggressive, and even if it was genuine, it's not really noteworthy. we all know that a lot of cops are good. even if these guys are the good ones, paying a bill doesn't change anything.

I'm the weird one in this thread that does think it's commendable, because a lot of people expect cops to be total pricks. They could have followed them and wrote them a BS ticket, harassed them, or hell, even shot them if they were truly assholes. Instead they showed kindess, which is cool to me. The note may be a bit passive aggressive, but if it were a gaffer who was snubbed for his profession, people would be encouraging punches . Sure they were a bit offended, and the note reflects that, but the gesture to me remains the same.

Again, personal opinion, I know I am fucked in the head for worshiping at the alter of kindness, etc etc.

Edit: God damn top of thread is going to teach me to just quit posting, ugh.

 

[stilgar]

"Oh you paid for my meal? Well I guess that makes up for you murdering my friends and oppressing my community."

:/