Interesting take on it, but it mostly seems like cherry picking. I do agree that it's all (level 2 and above) pretty much informed speculation. The author makes point explain two massive unknowns which would further light upon situation one way or the other.
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Interesting take on it, but it mostly seems like cherry picking. I do agree that it's all (level 2 and above) pretty much informed speculation. The author makes point explain two massive unknowns which would further light upon situation one way or the other.
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abstract alien
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So dapper.
This is a really admirable response, so kudos to you!
Reading your response, I think I get what's off-putting to you about the Bruno segment, but I lump it in the same vein as them showing that the asteroid belt looks something like Saturn's rings. It's not entirely accurate, but it's showing what it needs to show to make its point.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
What matters to me is the truth. I understand the have a point to make in the show. I just find it odd that they have to obfuscate the truth when it should be plain as day with the actual account that they could still have made the point. I'm not sure why they have to dress the man up as a benign, non-confrontational person. If anything the guy's passion should be an example of the yearning to know. I mean its a science show. We want the truth.
Anyway, I at the end I'm glad the show exists and I hope it can bring a sense of wonder and curiosity like the original did for me. I think its even better now that we have a wonderful tool like the Internet to explore deeper into concepts that the show will portray, we don't always have to take everything at face value
abstract alien
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The two posts above make me think there is still some good in this world when concerning humanity.
abstract alien
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^^^^^
Sigh...such a wondrously based man, is Carl.
Sigh...such a wondrously based man, is Carl.
fluffydelusions
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That 70s/early 80s style. Needs more wood panel in the background
davepoobond
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I think I would like having Sagan be a recurring segment where they use the bits that are still relevant today (not inaccurate etc) to supplement what we are seeing from Tyson.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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Man, Neil would make a great instructor on how to pilot a space ship.
Darkmakaimura
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I was a little surprised they brought up the whole multiverse thing as well but it has been argued whether or not it has basis in science or philosophy. It seems to be a field more for theoretical scientists like Michio Kaku, who focuses a lot of his attention on the theory of alternate universes.
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Well you were totally right that Bruno was no real scientist. But as NDT pointed out, the fact that he was right on some things was merely a lucky guess. I think they are are just establishing a base understanding of free inquiry and then the scientific method is next.Thanks, I appreciate it.
What matters to me is the truth. I understand the have a point to make in the show. I just find it odd that they have to obfuscate the truth when it should be plain as day with the actual account that they could still have made the point. I'm not sure why they have to dress the man up as a benign, non-confrontational person. If anything the guy's passion should be an example of the yearning to know. I mean its a science show. We want the truth.
Anyway, I at the end I'm glad the show exists and I hope it can bring a sense of wonder and curiosity like the original did for me. I think its even better now that we have a wonderful tool like the Internet to explore deeper into concepts that the show will portray, we don't always have to take everything at face value
A non-issue. The original provided plenty of speculation and discussion of yet-to-be-verified theories as well. The reboot seems to be just as careful about pointing out when they are speculating.
Science is an ongoing activity. At any stage there will be a number of hypotheses waiting to be verified or falsified. They should still be part of the discussion.
Yep, he pointed out that it was important that they would clearly distinguish what is speculation versus established science.
Exactly. First step in the road to the scientific method is the fundamental willingness and courage to challenge conventional wisdom.
"Hey guys, think how you privileged you are to live in an age where you can challenge the most fundamentally held beliefs and not be incinerated for it... don't waste this opportunity".
The entirety of Bruno's value to the Cosmos story starts and ends there.
So many criticisms of the first episode of Cosmos (including lack of depth) can be answered when you realise that, as with the original series, the first episode is providing a very high-level roadmap for the journey ahead and embedding an intellectual framework for what lies ahead. They are just ensuring that you understand the light year as a concept, the extreme time scales involved, the philosophy of science as a constant evolution and refinement of knowledge, the gift of free inquiry etc...
Comparisons to Horizons etc aren't really fair. Those shows are wonderful but what makes Cosmos important is that it isn't just preaching to the already converted. It is attempting to open science up to everyone. It may not delve as deep as some other science programs as a result, but it is going to make a pretty damn good fist of delivering life, the universe and everything in 13 episodes.
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For those of you interseted in doing a bit more exploring of the cosmos, I can't recommend Space engine enough. It's not the entire universe -- it's only 37.2 billion light years cubed -- but still lets you visit every star, galaxy, and planet we have discovered. Galaxies, stars, and planets not yet discovered are filled in through procedural generation.
A few videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-VcZY_nwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YieL0qK-qCk#t=1m
lengthier tutorial of how to use the interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y61_cVfDiI
Pictures of places you can discover: http://imgur.com/a/Qampe, http://imgur.com/a/jYRye
Comparison of Saturn (real photo) vs space engine: http://i.imgur.com/xEeYitG.jpg
OT thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442643
Download it here: http://en.spaceengine.org/
A few videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-VcZY_nwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YieL0qK-qCk#t=1m
lengthier tutorial of how to use the interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y61_cVfDiI
Pictures of places you can discover: http://imgur.com/a/Qampe, http://imgur.com/a/jYRye
Comparison of Saturn (real photo) vs space engine: http://i.imgur.com/xEeYitG.jpg
OT thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442643
Download it here: http://en.spaceengine.org/
Haha, that wasn't a complaint.
I got the impression that this was the plan.
Woah. I know what I'm doing tonight.
victreeb3l
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Finally saw the first episode. I enjoyed the visuals a lot but overall I really thought it was corny. I dont know if its Neils delivery or whatever but it sounded like he tried to ham it up often and make it more dramatic and epic than necessary.
Bruno part went on for far too long as well.
Bruno part went on for far too long as well.
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Incredibly fun show, really easy to get into with Tyson as host. The calender stuff was such a joy ride.. Cant wait for episode 2.
I finally catched up!
I thought it was great, a little bombastic, but within limits. The original had a certain air of contemplation that this one doesn't quite have, but there's potential. The Giordano Bruno story felt a bit out of place though, but I think the message is important, that ideas are powerful, that you may be frightened to pick up the curtain and look outside, but it can be infinitely rewarding. It's a good initial setup, to what is going to come next.
I thought it was great, a little bombastic, but within limits. The original had a certain air of contemplation that this one doesn't quite have, but there's potential. The Giordano Bruno story felt a bit out of place though, but I think the message is important, that ideas are powerful, that you may be frightened to pick up the curtain and look outside, but it can be infinitely rewarding. It's a good initial setup, to what is going to come next.
It was definitely corny, but they have to make a spectacle out of it. NDT's passion is very genuine, and that shines through, which is most important.
Saw the first episode, having been a huge fan of Sagan's ground breaking series which aired way before my time.
Neil did a fantastic job here and the production values were through the roof, gotta hand it to Fox they went to bat for this and that story at end about how Carl inspired Neil nearly brought a tear to my eyes.
It won't wont do phenomenal numbers in ratings but that's the YOLO generation for you.
Can't wait for more.
#thankyoucarl
Neil did a fantastic job here and the production values were through the roof, gotta hand it to Fox they went to bat for this and that story at end about how Carl inspired Neil nearly brought a tear to my eyes.
It won't wont do phenomenal numbers in ratings but that's the YOLO generation for you.
Can't wait for more.
#thankyoucarl
Shameful shit.
OKC Fox Affiliate Removes Only Mention of Evolution from "Cosmos" with an "Editing Error"
This fucking state.
OKC Fox Affiliate Removes Only Mention of Evolution from "Cosmos" with an "Editing Error"
This fucking state.
wtf
This is exactly why the Bruno story was absolutely topical, you cannot silence someone just because you disagree, very shameful.
astrophysicist does the moonwalk....sort of
Wonder how they are gonna approach the next episode which seems to focus on evolution. Just accidentally not air it?
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I didn't know if I could like this man more than I already did. Then I saw this.
Buckethead
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I just watched an old At Midnight at NDGT was hitting on Gillian through Chris lol
FalsettoVibe
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This just confirmed my like for this guy.
Welp.
Darkmakaimura
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Bioware needs to take note of that Spaceengine....
TV makes it seem awesome but it really sucks. The view is nice for the first few hours or so.
Mengy
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It doesn't have to suck though. Our current technology makes it hard, but then the first auotmobiles weren't anything to rave about either. Neither were early airplanes. Compare a Cessna 182 to the Wright Flyer, which one would you rather fly cross country?
And space travel isn't just about the view, it's about exploration. Running around other planets and moons, exploring asteroids to find new and rare minerals, discovering and learning about the solar system / galaxy / universe we live in. There is so much work to be done via space travel. If only our civilization put as much of a priority on learning and discovery as it does on profit and militarization. Think of what the human race could accomplish if science was more important than greed.
Space travel doesn't have to suck, we just haven't put enough effort into it yet.
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