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[ElBoxyBrown]

Haven't seen Lockout, so may be off base here. But from reading the summary it sounds like the main similarity is: VIP (President/daughter) gets accidentally captured or trapped in a prison in an odd location (Manhattan/space) and has to be busted out by a badass dude (Snake/Snow). I dunno, that sounds like the main plotlines are indeed broadly similar but still seems weird to award damages for. A lot of movies that are X meets Y are about that similar to their inspirations. *shrug* Maybe I'm missing other places where they directly copied stuff, since I haven't seen it.

Also I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1JYDmo19to

I agree. Mr. Robot shares a lot of it's themes and plot with Fight Club but I wouldn't say Mr. Robot plagiarizes it. It's taking the same concepts and applying it under a different context.

I've never seen Lockout or Escape from New York (Yes I know, shame on me) so maybe it's justifiable but like you said the plot is used for a lot of other movies nowadays.

 

[Magilla]

Lockout is fun as hell or as I like to call it Space Asshole.

 

[omnislayer]

Kojima sweatin' right about now

Kojima's safe because Carpenter likes him.

 

[LycanXIII]

'bout 50 Die-Hard rip offs alone.

Half of them starring Bruce Willis.

 

[SillyEskimo]

Sue Doomsday

This was my exact thought. Mad Max creators could sue them too.

 

[Nappuccino]

Lockout is fun as hell or as I like to call it Space Asshole.

There's only one Space Asshole, you plagiarist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcUBI-YVRY8

 

[jett]

Seems a bit much to me for a lawsuit.

Anyway, the only thing I remember about Lockout is the godawful CGI during a bike scene which has somehow become stuck in my brain. I don't like EFNY either though haha.

 

[Oreiller]

Tbh, the court hasn't condemned Besson only because of the similarities in plot. They have also pointed out many similarities in secondary characters, framing, costumes, lighting and directing.

I haven't seen Lockout but it seems quite substantive.

 

[Paz]

This seems like a really bad precedent to set for creative works :/

 

[platakul]

Seems a bit much to me for a lawsuit.

Anyway, the only thing I remember about Lockout is the godawful CGI during a bike scene which has somehow become stuck in my brain. I don't like EFNY either though haha.

Lol that bike scene will stand the test of time as truly amazingly awful cgi

 

[Grinchy]

Lockout was actually a lot of fun, just to see Guy Pearce be smarmy in space for 90 min.

It was. And fuck this stupid lawsuit.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

Kojima sweatin' right about now

I was about to say a joke about this very thing. But then I remembered Carpenter seems to be a bit of a fan and has played the games (and talked to Kojima and thought he was a 'nice guy').

 

[Bishop89]

Yeah, that was trending on French twitter yesterday.
I've never seen Lockout, is it really that close to Escape from New York?
Besson is a very lazy writer who writes incredibly basic stories but I don't know that he's a plagiarist. I assume Lockout has Guy Pearce save the president or somebody important from a prison?
Anyway, Besson might be a hack writer but I'm super excited for Valerian, I hope we see footage soon.

I didn't think once escape from ny when seeing it.. If anything I would be thinking of die hard.

Lockout was fun coz guy was fun to watch

 

[Apt101]

The plot of Lockout did share some similarities, but I don't think it was so similar that it deserved this kind of judgement. Or anything close to it, really. It was a basic reluctant hero (or antihero) coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress. There are like 5,000 novels, comics, movies, plots of television shows, etc, like this - both before and after Escape From New York.

 

[KurtSloane]

Lockout was shit, Besson's output these days breaks my heart.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

Copyright is ridiculous. Even if Lockout plagiarized Escape From New York, which it didn't, Escape was thirty years old when Lockout came out so nobody should care. Copyright harms creative iteration more than it protects it.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

I haven't heard of this Lockout movie. The trailer looks alot of fun. The premise is great, it's the Taken daughter got stuck in a prison, are you bad enough dude to save her?

Does it have the cabbie character in it?

Lockout is great, Guy Pearce spends the entire movie making wisecracks while getting punched in the face. It's basically Die Hard meets Last Boy Scout (And Escape from New York apparently).

Lockout was shit, Besson's output these days breaks my heart.

Shame on you.

 

[G-Fex]

I thought the supposed script for the cancelled Escape from Earth eventually turned into Lockout somehow through the years?

 

[John Dunbar]

I was about to say a joke about this very thing. But then I remembered Carpenter seems to be a bit of a fan and has played the games (and talked to Kojima and thought he was a 'nice guy').

so now that kojima is out he can sue konami without feeling guilty.

 

[The Elite]

Lockout was pretty much what Escape From Earth could have been. I actually really liked it.

 

[Einchy]

I was about to say a joke about this very thing. But then I remembered Carpenter seems to be a bit of a fan and has played the games (and talked to Kojima and thought he was a 'nice guy').

Yeah, apparently people told Carpenter that he should sue Kojima but he refused since Kojima is nice.

 

[Snaku]

Did Kurosawa sue for Magificent Seven, or Star Wars?

 

[Auto_aim1]

Kojima actually wrote to Carpenter and asked for permission before creating MGS. There's almost nothing in common except the name and maybe looks. He never hid the source of his inspiration.

I haven't watched Lockout, maybe I should.

 

[Kinyou]

Honestly this surprises me. Sure the premise is similar, but the rest was rather different. I don't recall anything that felt like a 1:1 copy

 

[Einchy]

Did Kurosawa sue for Magificent Seven, or Star Wars?

Whoever owned Yojimbo sued whoever owned A Fistful of Dollars and won.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Lotta people in here condemning the action without seeing Lockout or comparing the similarities 🤔

 

[Khoryos]

Lockout really is hella similar, I'm not surprised at this outcome at all.

I mean, you have an ex-special forces badass, wanted by the law, facing death, given one chance to win his freedom by extracting a VIP from an isolated prison, with a time limit to hold his leash...

Of course, I loved them both.

 

[Ratrat]

Wonder if Kojima got permission to use the name and likeness for Snake in Metal gear. Especially having Plisken as his name in 2 lol.

Its clearly stated to be a refrence though.

 

[RoyalFool]

Kojima actually wrote to Carpenter and asked for permission before creating MGS. There's almost nothing in common except the name and maybe looks. He never hid the source of his inspiration.

I haven't watched Lockout, maybe I should.

Kojimas writing is so poor it would classify as a parody anyway, which is copyright exempt

 

[Bleepey]

It was. And fuck this stupid lawsuit.

This. The Die Hard producers can get paid. I think it was the great Kadeem Hardison in the pal DVD commentary to his extremely underrated B-movie classic and Rush Hour spiritual prequel Drive that said: "it's homage when I do it, and rip off when done to me". Lockout is imo a homage .

Did Kurosawa sue for Magificent Seven, or Star Wars?

Think he did for the former

 

[zma1013]

Kojimas writing is so poor it would classify as a parody anyway, which is copyright exempt

Yeah, just show them Twin Snakes and they'll equate it to a Saturday Night Live skit.

 

[Rudimental]

Lotta people in here condemning the action without seeing Lockout or comparing the similarities 🤔

This is the list of similarities given, though there may be more:

The heroes of both "got into the prison by flying in a glider/space shuttle, had to confront inmates led by a chief with a strange right arm, found hugely important briefcases and meet a former sidekick who then dies".

"And at the end (of both films the heroes) keep secret documents recovered during their mission," the judgement added.

If you've seen both of these films, then you will know that besides the obvious first one, all of them are used in very different ways, and that the last one is wrong.

 

[Vic_Viper]

I had seen them both, and they are different movies. You cant legally own a concept.

You seriously cant see how they are the same? Cases like this never happen and when they do its rare that the court actually rules in favor of the original creator. This isnt like a Deep Impact/Armageddon similarity lol. They are basically the exact same movies.

 

[Stinkles]

Kojima sweatin' right about now

If a lawyer gets halfway through the first act of mgs and has any idea what is going on at all then file me under discovery.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Doomsday gets a pass because it is clearly a blender movie. Yes, the structure and set-up ape EfNY, but it is then overlaid with zombies, Mad Max, cannibals and knights. Also, protagonist is gender swapped and given surprise functionality to her cycloptic status.

In contrast, Lockout is pretty much beat-for-beat EfNY in space.

 

[Messofanego]

Disappointed we don't get to hear the exact reasoning for how the lawyers won. I would love to know that. Never seen Lockout, but I saw Lucy heh. I wish Besson brings the goods with Valeria but feel it will probably be a Jupiter Ascending.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I enjoyed both movies and to be honest the similarities didn't occur to me until this news broke.

Same

 

[Gallbaro]

This seems like a really bad precedent to set for creative works :/

Vatican V. Hollywood et al.

 

[Experien]

Any lawsuits for Episode IV going on?

That sucks. I actually thought Lockout was a little more like Die Hard in space minus the whole having to sneak into the space prison. I never thought once of Escape from New York. Sure they both were lawless lands with criminals everywhere but didn't seem nearly as organized sections as EfNY.

 

[wesleyshark]

Lockout was a lot of fun. Had no idea this lawsuit was even happening until just now lol

 

[timetokill]

Did Kurosawa sue for Magificent Seven, or Star Wars?

No.

Actually Kurosawa loved The Magnificent Seven so much that he gave the director a sword as a gift.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Wonder if Kojima got permission to use the name and likeness for Snake in Metal gear. Especially having Plisken as his name in 2 lol.

I don't see anyone on earth being able to argue it was not parody, and so fair use.

 

[Jon Carter]

Wait until they watch Olympus Has Fallen. That's the biggest example of plagiarism I've seen in a movie. It's just Die Hard with a new coat of paint.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Wait until they watch Olympus Has Fallen. That's the biggest example of plagiarism I've seen in a movie. It's just Die Hard with a new coat of paint.

it's a bad die hard at that.
white house down will remain the best white house has been taken movie from that year.

 

[Cyan]

Doomsday gets a pass because it is clearly a blender movie. Yes, the structure and set-up ape EfNY, but it is then overlaid with zombies, Mad Max, cannibals and knights. Also, protagonist is gender swapped and given surprise functionality to her cycloptic status.

In contrast, Lockout is pretty much beat-for-beat EfNY in space.

Ah, if this is the case this makes a lot more sense.

 

[Gabriel_Logan]

Regardless of it was a rip off or not, Lockout was fucking terrible. Lockup on the other hand with Stallone is pretty good

 

[Fallout-NL]

Lockout wears its influences heavily so this ruling isn't surprising.

Since when are those influences grounds for rulings like this though? I feel like this is unheard of.

 

[old manatee]

Lockout wears its influences heavily so this ruling isn't surprising.

So do Doomsday and District B13. It's basically just an established genre now.

 

[Fallout-NL]

They should fight this, hard. It's fucking bullshit.

 

[Kinyou]

Doomsday gets a pass because it is clearly a blender movie. Yes, the structure and set-up ape EfNY, but it is then overlaid with zombies, Mad Max, cannibals and knights. Also, protagonist is gender swapped and given surprise functionality to her cycloptic status.

In contrast, Lockout is pretty much beat-for-beat EfNY in space.

It's been a while since I saw it, but I remember it being more like a Die Hard in space once he got on the station.