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Crackdown 3: 10 minute pre-alpha gameplay demo
- Thread starter MauroNL
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*Firing Gun* at mission related buildung
Player talks: "No, I don´t want to do that at the moment"
No, they will find some good way to deal with that.
They already said guns were overpowered in the demo. If they are following the "mission-design" of Crackdown 1 and you just have to kill the boss, then you can fire at the buildung for 20 min until it collapses or you go in solo and use small time destruction to cut off enemies ect.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Not hard to be skeptical in an industry that focuses their efforts on trickery/smoke and mirrors to get people all hyped up. My position is I'll believe it when I see it as I play the game.
There's always caveats somewhere, but don't expect to know about them until you've spent 60 dollars.
Muppet of a Man
Member
It looks pretty good; I'd wager some people just don't think that it looks that mind blowing. That being said, I don't think people should be concern trolling whether MS can deliver what they are demoing here. I fully believe that they can, which is great in the scheme of cloud-assisted physics compute as a whole. The argument at this point is does it look that much better than the canned physical destruction present in games like the latest Red Faction? I think that it does look better, but not as good as I was expecting.
Hockeymac18
Member
Then quite honestly, we can't have any meaningful discussion about this until the game is actually released.
It is not necessarily about looking better, just so much more available to be destroyed at once.
Muppet of a Man
Member
Looking forward to see what they can do in the final game on that front.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
We can discuss the tech on display for what is though. This video falls more into tech demo category than gameplay demo from what I can tell.
My original response was to a post that was entirely different than the actual discussion that can be had about this demonstration.
Pathfinder
Member
Just out of curiosity, at what point would you consider it to not be a tech demo? The final retail build?
llAuburnll
Banned
Can anyone get a reading on where the goalposts are now? Last I heard they were leaving the milky way.
rokkerkory
Member
This is immensely impressive.
Day 1
Day 1
Hockeymac18
Member
Yea, I think one of the big differences (and interesting ways that players can innovate) is in how everything in the city is destructible. As opposed to just a few buildings being designed to be blown up (either in a predefined/"baked" way or in a more dynamic "on-the-fly" way)...the entire city in Crackdown 3 can be blown up/broken down.
That moves the decision-making/guidance from the game designers to the gamers. Of course, the game designers have to build the city up (and maybe they have ideas of how they'd like the gamers to proceed through it), but these decisions on what to do/blow up are with the gamer and this opens up a ton of exciting possibilities.
And of course, it means I can just blow up everything (because I can)...which is always fun in its own way (outside of any "mission" in the game).
Fair enough. Although I'd put this demo a bit above the "tech demo" category. What we saw last year at Build was definitely a "tech demo". This is certainly a playable game (albeit, not entirely in this mode probably, since there's a lot missing still). But that's just a semantics debate there.
Mr. Giggles
Member
I guess it would be when they show the maps and modes :/
I dunno, just stabbing in the dark here
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That was really impressive one thing am interested to see if how this works on a bad connection i.e Connection to a server not close by resulting in high ping, unstable connection should be interesting to see how it manages those kinds of situations.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
As far as I know, the destruction is only in multiplayer, so you're going to be online.
This destruction is on another level though. Unbelievable. Game looks great, they just need to fix how our character sits I the environment. He looks like he's floating a centimetre or two above the ground and moves around in the same way.
Wasn't Dave the original creator of both GTA and Crackdown?
CrimsonEclipse
Member
If only more think the way you do.
fluffydelusions
Member
That first comment in the video tho
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
It's a matter of semantics/opinion. I think of gameplay demos as the things we see at E3 like they play through a mission or level or something that is playable on the show floor. This video is solely for the purpose of showing a technical aspect of the game. We don't know what's enabled outside of this within the engine and so on.
JayhawkerStL
Banned
Concern noted. It might not even be a game!
It's very cool, even if you don't like Crackdown, or even Xbox. Going forward this will not only just be a Crackdown thing or even just a Microsoft thing. This is what games can do now using cloud computation. It's speaks huge things for games, and maybe even something really special with MMOs.
rokkerkory
Member
He even mentioned while demoing that this isnt a rep of final gameplay but more to show off the tech.
yes he was, I just didn't know who Reagent games were, I'm surprised to see it is DMA , but they've changed the company name
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
hahah I'll wait until the game comes out before I reach any conclusions. I mean, it's not like we've ever been misled before.
No one has explained how they're going to make all these buildings destructible but also make them have orbs you reach by climbing them. That alone makes me believe this will be pretty limited in scope.
Wasnt it confirmed that the destruction would be limited to multiplayer? Ini which case, it's a moot point.
In the next match 5 minutes later.
.......
The multiplayer modes possible in this could be amazing.
Modes where one team literally defends the destruction of their city section from obliteration by another team would be amazing.
Pathfinder
Member
Fair enough. You want to see more of the game on top of the tech.
I seriously doubt the game will have this level of destruction in the singleplayer game. I just don't see how it would be practical from a design standpoint. Sure they use the example of being able to destroy a building to kill a mob boss, but that could just as easily be a co-op or MP mode, or could be limited to only those buildings in which the mob bosses reside.
For example, since all of the material location data is being processed in the cloud, what happens when you quit and then come back? That's a ridiculous amount of positional data you'd have to store for each and every player of the game. Not to mention from a gameplay standpoint. What happens when you've been playing the game for 20 hours and half the city is destroyed? What's the point of being able to jump buildings in a single bound if there are not more buildings around? The number of servers required to assist each SP game would increase over the course of the game. It sounds like a logistical nightmare.
It makes much more sense for it to be instanced in a MP game. Once the match is over all that data is wiped and starts again. Honestly I'm perfectly fine with that and it doesn't detract at all from the achievement here, I just think people should get their expectations in check regarding the SP component.
That said, I was totally wrong about how they were handling the instanced servers, so maybe they've figured this all out already and I will be blown away all over again.
For example, since all of the material location data is being processed in the cloud, what happens when you quit and then come back? That's a ridiculous amount of positional data you'd have to store for each and every player of the game. Not to mention from a gameplay standpoint. What happens when you've been playing the game for 20 hours and half the city is destroyed? What's the point of being able to jump buildings in a single bound if there are not more buildings around? The number of servers required to assist each SP game would increase over the course of the game. It sounds like a logistical nightmare.
It makes much more sense for it to be instanced in a MP game. Once the match is over all that data is wiped and starts again. Honestly I'm perfectly fine with that and it doesn't detract at all from the achievement here, I just think people should get their expectations in check regarding the SP component.
That said, I was totally wrong about how they were handling the instanced servers, so maybe they've figured this all out already and I will be blown away all over again.
The game itself is being developed by Reagent , but the technology is being provided by a separate company ; Clougine (also owned by Dave Jones)
I'd imagine that the ultimate goal is to make the cloud technology available to other games.
Not simply destruction, but perhaps middleware that allows easy implementation of compute distribution for anything where it is applicable
Garrett 2U
Member
They've established this is multiplayer only.
They didn't want to restrict the game to online only.
Maybe the studio is already prepping itself as "Crackdown Studio" if this one is a success. Re-Agent games is how what I automatically assumed
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed with this. That was my only argument (besides the silly 20x PR). That it is a tech demo (pre-alpha) in it's current state. I am definitely eager to see how it all works with real world additions added to it (npcs, ai, etc), and forming a playable game.
I really do not believe this is the true/only reason. There is technical (design) reasons as well, even more so, IMO.
Oh, good to know. For some reason I thought I heard some rumblings about a SP component as well.
Same, I thought that somebody yesterday said the game would be playable offline, albeit scaled back
SEGAvangelist
Member
hahah I'll wait until the game comes out before I reach any conclusions. I mean, it's not like we've ever been misled before.
No one has explained how they're going to make all these buildings destructible but also make them have orbs you reach by climbing them. That alone makes me believe this will be pretty limited in scope.
How is this the same, you can clearly see the guy was playing the Crackdown 3 demo in the video, while in the gif you posted is clear that was a staged presentation.
Don't have an Xbox 1 but in for future downgrade thread when people can't blow up a building with a pistol.
Also would love if it had a MP like Red Faction. My friend and I had a lot of fun playing tower toss to try and take out an entire level with those warp mines in Red Faction.
Also would love if it had a MP like Red Faction. My friend and I had a lot of fun playing tower toss to try and take out an entire level with those warp mines in Red Faction.
justsomeguy
Member
What did I just see? I just laughed in slight disbelief... that was really freaking cool.
I just hope they can wrap it up into a playable, fun game - because that wasn't a gameplay demo, it was a tech demo.
I just hope they can wrap it up into a playable, fun game - because that wasn't a gameplay demo, it was a tech demo.
llAuburnll
Banned
Well they said in the video that the weapons were over powered for demonstration purposes, of course you would know that if you watched it.
It's even in the op, if you had read it.
Windom Earle
Banned
Pretty insane tech demo, I really hope they can get close to this in the game.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
You bring down entire buildings with just few gunshots? Ok!
Another drive-by poster smh
you didn't read the OP, do you?
This thread is a thread of shame, seriously.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
And a big rock is still standing in the air at 4:58 while the remaining debris just fell.
I liked the idea of course and what I have seen. Still many things aren't physically correct. I hope they correct them when the game ships.