But how do we really know he's not just using a PS4?There's a video in the OP.
There's a video in the OP.
Do you have proof of this? That there are untouched GPU cores that can be utilized for Physics calculations and not cause any issues with graphics?
So did you watch the below video or are you just coming into troll because you can?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFWIpAPvF-Q&feature=youtu.be
Do you have proof of this? That there are untouched GPU cores that can be utilized for Physics calculations and not cause any issues with graphics?
The Asynchronous Compute Engines queue and control the GPUs task scheduling, effectively ensuring that compute data is being synced up to the current version in memory. Another important task they perform is the scheduling of when a task is performed so that it doesnt interfere or drain away processing power from graphical tasks
Is it wrong to want to see the delivered final product in action? That's all I'm saying. People want to use this video as the end all be all "discussion is over!" trophy. But in reality, we're still waiting to experience this cloud power for ourselves.
But how do we really know he's not just using a PS4?
I was just messing around. I know he's talking about the final product. There's a beta next summer so anyone with an Xbox One will have a chance to check it out.
Was it confirmed to be a beta? MS mentioned using Early Access for their own games. This would be a perfect candidate for the multiplayer only portion.
Was it confirmed to be a beta? MS mentioned using Early Access for their own games. This would be a perfect candidate for the multiplayer only portion.
Yea. It's at the end of the Crackdown 3 First Look video.
The fact that this is limited to MP really really annoys me.
I mean, why not allow people to use it in single player? I would GLADLY connect online in single player to have this, yet they are just like "nah, we can't let people do that!"
Will I then be unable to destroy the buildings?
Good lord at the denial. I think this is gonna be my 'next gen is here' moment.
Exactly. Crack3 offline can be enjoyed on the most balanced console ever released.No. Crackdown can be played offline with limited destructibility.
Is it wrong to want to see the delivered final product in action? That's all I'm saying. People want to use this video as the end all be all "discussion is over!" trophy. But in reality, we're still waiting to experience this cloud power for ourselves.
The naysayers and the believers are both eager to make final conclusions, but in reality, both sides have to wait a long time to see what's really going on.
What some people aren't getting is the fact that there isn't just all this destructibility, but also that the aftermath will, to a large degree, be completely persistent.
They have the memory and resources to keep all that stuff there. It may be moved or cleared away for story or game purposes, but they have the resources for this stuff, and I find that thought pretty exciting.
There's a video in the OP.
Have they stated anything about persistent damage?
Have they stated anything about persistent damage?
You know what's hilarious. The tech is literally been proven and shown in live demos, and there still people labelling this as PR fluff.
Brilliant.
Either way, I'm really excited by what this brings to gaming as a whole.
Have they stated anything about persistent damage?
Have they stated anything about persistent damage?
Have they stated anything about persistent damage?
I feel like people are mixing up 'the destructed building doesn't just vanish' and 'damage is permanent'. I imagine each game of MP resets the map, but it should stick around for as long as its' potientally relevant to game play.
We really don't have the full details yet.
Oh ok, good to know.
EDIT: Just watched the video and missed this portion. At the end it only says that multiplayer begins in 2016. It doesn't specify a beta.
He is definitely working on the game though. He was right with about 95% of what he said about how they were thinking about it. Likely not at Reagent but Sumo. I think he got banned because they wanted to control the flow of information.
You're misunderstanding how GPGPU works am not an expert or anything but it's not using "untouched" cores and "General purpose something" from your previous post is referencing to how GPU cores can be used for general purpose tasks. GPGPU on PS4 is to do with making better use of the GPU pipeline.quote from Naughty Dog Lead Programmer Jason Gregory from a dual shockers article
the GPU is more powerful than its necessary to render graphics at 1080p at 60 hz and that the idea of the designers of the PS4 was to give the console extra GPU resources because its incredibly good at doing massive amounts of parallel processing and they envisioned that game designers are going to take advance of that processing to do physics, cloth simulation, fluids and more on the GPU.
With the PS3 Naughty Dog developed in conjunction with Sonys ICE team a Job system to make efficient use of the multi-core CPU, and a similar one has been created for the PS4.
Only six cores are available for games, as two are used by the operating system. The Job system also uses the GPU on top of these six cores, as its enabled to run code. Each CPU core runs a worker thread, and while the first takes care of the main game loop, other jobs are allocated between the remaining five cores.
some more clarifications (just on terminology)
To oversimplify a bit, the compute units (CUs) are the things that run your shader. So whether you are doing graphics shaders or compute, they are all executing on the compute units. The async compute pipes are there to give you a way to supply more work to the GPU. Imagine your graphics work looks like this
- write to a texture
- wait for it to finish
- use texture as input for the next shader
In a naive implementation, that second shader can't run until the first finishes. That means towards the end there will be alot of the GPU hardware sitting around idle until the previous shader finishes. The compute pipes give you a way of supplying more work to the GPU that can fill in the gaps left by graphics.
Sorry if thats all a bit basic and oversimplified, but I'm not sure what level of detail is best to post
Regarding CPU sync, we have almost none. We use the CPU to kick GPU work and the CPU never stalls waiting for the GPU during our "frame". We do have some weirdness where an end of pipe interrupt wakes up our vsync thread which sleeps waiting for vsync and then writes a label allowing the GPU to continue, but thats just because work after the label may write to the current display buffer and we want to flip away from it before continuing. We basically tried to make everything as async as possible to avoid render and main thread involvement of any kind and minimize stalls.
Finally, while you can build command buffers and kick them from the GPU if you're clever about it, that is a topic for another day
Everything is changing. Microsoft is a new company with Spencer driving the ship.
Well this game is slated for 2016, likely holidays which would put it only just into the 4th year of the xb1 or at the very end of year 3. Counting years from nov->Nov of course. So it likely would be in the second half of the generation.
Always Online as a concept in relation to single player experiences is beyond toxic - it's radioactive.
You'll never see it applied as a console-wide "feature" again, seeing as how this generation has played out. Consumers will be on the watch for any hint of that creeping back in, and rightfully so.
If MS isn't eating the full cost then don't expect a single third party to get on board. There would be absolutely no benefit for third parties if MS charged them for it's use, and only benefits for MS. It's part of the reason I was saying before that you'll only see this utilized in MS' big hitters and not much more outside of that.
Everything is changing. Microsoft is a new company with Spencer driving the ship.
I will be very happy and surprised if this makes 2016.
Huh? Third parties pay for server rentals anyway... This would allow them to use servers on demand instead of trying to estimate load... It could potentially save them money to use Azure for their multiplayer suite...
TitanFall developers has stated that azure is the cheapest way to supply dedicated servers for MP games...
That's what's going to be annoying. Cloud is going to be used as an argument against PS4's power advantage now. lol.
Read the OP.Can anyone link where it says that Story/coop in this won't support full destruction or stop stating things like facts? I don't think we know one way or another yet?
I saw it and I'm not convinced that any actions in the demo are based on computations an isolated Xbox One can't make, let alone based on computations being bounced from the console to an outside source, and back again during real-time action gameplay. I'm not doubting the tech's viability to demonstrate additional power within a demo, but I very much doubt the practicality of it during gameplay. Sure, the guy in the video asserts that the tech isn't representative of his game, but the hyperbolic claims being made as to its usefulness in gaming, and the ammunition it's already offering in e-playground console warring isn't something we should devote too much attention to imo.
If you think I'm trolling just because I'm cynical, then I suggest you distance your passions from this subject.
Huh? Third parties pay for server rentals anyway... This would allow them to use servers on demand instead of trying to estimate load... It could potentially save them money to use Azure for their multiplayer suite...
TitanFall developers has stated that azure is the cheapest way to supply dedicated servers for MP games...
This! Microsoft is doing so much for their gamers while Sony is doing nothing besides moneyhatting games, announce games that are 3-4 years away and act like they won E3 2015, don't add bacward compatibility, don't allow EA Access and abandon the PlayStation Vita!
Such bait...This! Microsoft is doing so much for their gamers while Sony is doing nothing besides moneyhatting games, announce games that are 3-4 years away and act like they won E3 2015, don't add bacward compatibility, don't allow EA Access and abandon the PlayStation Vita!
I feel like people are mixing up 'the destructed building doesn't just vanish' and 'damage is permanent'. I imagine each game of MP resets the map, but it should stick around for as long as its' potientally relevant to game play.
We really don't have the full details yet.
This will only save them money if they were doing the same thing on reserved servers. What you're missing is that the alternative is not doing this on Amazon on Azure at all.
Many of the big 3rd party publishers already have their own servers, so there's no reason to pay another company to host them. That's why you see games like Battlefield still using EA servers on XB1.