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I don't get the "should've bought Ouya" but it's hard to not feel like Wii U is dead in the water. It's not looking good for that guy.
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Dean Takahashi: Nintendo should've bought Ouya; Wii U Dead in Water
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Visualante2
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It's not so much about the hardware but tapping into the potential. Ouya is limited by their small size, Nintendo can bring a lot to them and increase their reach without damaging the WiiU at all. That's profit to be made. It's predicted to be a growing market for cash strapped entertainment seekers in foreign markets. It would help Nintendo establish their brand in new regions and they can also offer legacy titles which have no benefit to being "Nintendo experiences".
People are going to play SNES games on this with or without Nintendo's permission. Might as well take $5 off them a time for the convenience factor of not having to go to Rom Hustler or whoever. But that's even more played out than this argument... some Nintendo fans will never see eye to eye with selling legacy titles on systems that weren't designed by Nintendo.
But that one's cheaper, and only available in a few markets...
The $129 one has access to the virtual console...
dacuk
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This is what makes NeoGaf magical.
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Deleted member 20415
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I say this every time Dean writes an article.
One time in a Sony Pre-E3 conference, I watched Dean play Farmville through the entire thing. The first Vita hands-on couldn't hold his attention, but his damn crops sure did.
I will never listen to this guy.
One time in a Sony Pre-E3 conference, I watched Dean play Farmville through the entire thing. The first Vita hands-on couldn't hold his attention, but his damn crops sure did.
I will never listen to this guy.
GregLombardi
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It's unbelievable how a company that released the Wii to such masterful timing and success did not understand that success or understand the device / software landscape for the Wii U.
It is very very clear they did not though. I'm only keeping mine for Smash Bros. at this point, and even that may not be enough given their horrifically imprecise online gaming system.
On the contrary, shouldn't you listen to him given the success of the Vita?
It is very very clear they did not though. I'm only keeping mine for Smash Bros. at this point, and even that may not be enough given their horrifically imprecise online gaming system.
On the contrary, shouldn't you listen to him given the success of the Vita?
Sho_Nuff82
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I don't think anyone in the industry understands why the Ouya is going to flop. And that's frightening.
People play android games on their phones because it's convenient. They already have the phone and the games are mostly free, or a few cents. No one is going to pay for a dedicated console to play (mostly) terrible, shallow games. You'd just buy a console.
And why the hell would Nintendo buy Ouya? It makes no business sense at all. The only way people have made money on android is by bleeding people dry with ridiculous microtransactions. Thankfully Nintendo have yet to do this, so stop encouraging them.
And why the hell would Nintendo buy Ouya? It makes no business sense at all. The only way people have made money on android is by bleeding people dry with ridiculous microtransactions. Thankfully Nintendo have yet to do this, so stop encouraging them.
It's unbelievable how a company that released the Wii to such masterful timing and success did not understand that success or understand the device / software landscape for the Wii U.
It is very very clear they did not though. I'm only keeping mine for Smash Bros. at this point, and even that may not be enough given their horrifically imprecise online gaming system.
On the contrary, shouldn't you listen to him given the success of the Vita?
Lightling usually doesnt strike twice in tech industry. Wii happened. Wii U did not. I dont think even Nintendo expected Wii would be something of a cultural phenomenon.
Sell it for $99, include a handful of classic Nintendo titles, and offer access to the Virtual console, new Nintendo games, Netflix, Hulu +, Amazon, etc. Call it the NES 2.
Nintendo would sell every one they could make as fast as they could make them.
I don't know this person well, but this is the way I see it in general with these articles: People who don't normally play games buy or get interested in a product that has games. It must be the future because it actually interests them. Being won over by a product doesn't automatically make that product the future of products. It means that the product's attempts to expand the market, and capitalize on untapped potential, worked.
We've seen this with Apple and now we see this with Ouya. Apple managed to create an absolutely dominating market, but the home consoles and even portables like the 3DS continue to sell. They don't have explosive growth like Apple, but they also never really did in the first place. It's almost like these markets don't 100% overlap and are not 100% replaceable and interchangeable, which these articles always seem to imply.
Nintendo has really blown their launch. Buying another console's launch isn't going to fix things. They can't just buy another product and then can their own. Even less people would trust them enough to purchase early next time.
We've seen this with Apple and now we see this with Ouya. Apple managed to create an absolutely dominating market, but the home consoles and even portables like the 3DS continue to sell. They don't have explosive growth like Apple, but they also never really did in the first place. It's almost like these markets don't 100% overlap and are not 100% replaceable and interchangeable, which these articles always seem to imply.
Nintendo has really blown their launch. Buying another console's launch isn't going to fix things. They can't just buy another product and then can their own. Even less people would trust them enough to purchase early next time.
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On the contrary, shouldn't you listen to him given the success of the Vita?
Knew that was going to be the response when I wrote that... At least then it was a fairly unknown thing.
There was still some excitement in 2011.World class hardware team? ........ really?
Their hardware is cheap and nasty with questionable workmanship, cheap materials and low end silicon.
They really do not have world class anything except for game development ......their OS, network software and infrastrucutre and hardware departments are second rate.
They (OUYA Inc) have word class game development?
No, never claimed they did ...... just responding to the claim that Nintendo have a "world class hardware team" ....... which was obviously nonsense.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Digital Foundry posted this yesterday:
These 3 things are an achievement, whatever you think of it.
I'd like some sources for this " questionable workmanship, cheap materials and low end silicon". Nintendo have a bit of a reputation for putting together extremely well made products, even if recently they haven't been the most powerful ones (although the Wii U is at least an efficient one). The 3DS in particular seems very, very well made.
Warm Machine
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How has that been working out for them?
Hi i'm Caleb
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No everyone is just stating the obvious.
Please, go ahead and explain how buying Ouya and going third party/mobile would be the obvious thing to do.
First Bing now Dean. What's with these morons and their hard-on for Ouya? It's a bigger joke in the industry than the Steambox. All the hardware makers were smart for avoiding it.
Pretty much. The difference between the Ouya and the Wii U is that you will get actual platform holder support on the Wii U. Hell, you also get tons of free SDKs including Unity. Nintendo already out-Ouya'd the Ouya among everyone but those freaky open-source Linux zealots.
Pretty much. The difference between the Ouya and the Wii U is that you will get actual platform holder support on the Wii U. Hell, you also get tons of free SDKs including Unity. Nintendo already out-Ouya'd the Ouya among everyone but those freaky open-source Linux zealots.
The silicon is weak, the materials are low quality (especially the 3DS) and the workmanship, well many a scratched screen and a broken hinge speaks none to well of the workmanship.
Comparing the Wii U to the 360 slim and the differences in build quality and materials is night and day, as an example.
Nintendo's hardware looks like fisher price.
Cerebral Assassin
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The Wii U is well on the way to doing that, haven't you seen the sales figures?
Every piece of Nintendo Hardware I own still works, if only I could say the same for my Sony/MS hardware.
How's the silicon weak? You should go inside the CPU/GPU analysis threads here on GAF. The silicon is pretty well designed. And yeah, I get that Wii U to 360 slim comparison, the good console doesn't scratch disks. Night and day, indeed.
Yeah the only Nintendo system i've ever had malfunction was my launch cube, via disc read error. Accidentally dropped my 3DS, and all I had was a slight chip off the plastic. My PSP barely hit the floor on the carpet, and the screen cracked.
If its one thing Nintendo always does right, its make a sturdy system. Now small manufacturing errors here and there? Thats different.
Hi i'm Caleb
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Wait let me clarify...im referring to the Wii U being dead in the water...Obviously buying Ouya is about as smart as launching the Wii U in the first place. I knew I shoulda edited that post.
Third party? Who knows most people only buy Nintendo for Nintendo games so...I don't see what they would lose from doing that eventually.
Mobile? No idea and no opinion on it since I don't play any mobile games.
Zoom out.
Dude... the silicon argument is at best unsupported on your part, the build quality argument is absurd. Nintendo has always had a much lower fail rate than their competitors.
Even the 360 slim, a system designed almost unilaterally to address the extremely high 360 fail-rate, has a higher fail rate than any known fail-rate of a Nintendo platform.
From actual technical breakdowns, the least we can say about the Wii U is that the latency on the pad is state of the art and it's power draw is ridiculously efficient.
Thank you.
Duallusion
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I don't usualy do this but...
LOL.
LOL.
tehrik-e-insaaf
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terrible article mired in silicon valley groupthink...
1. title is misnomer - dean never actually explains why nintendo should strategically acquire ouya - why that would make sense
2. he doesn't do good fact-checking - cod:ghosts is most likely headed to wii u - activision nearly confirmed as much
3. getting vc money != validation... VC's are right about 10% of the time... the particularly sleazy varieties of them at kleiner perkins and sequoia will sell their souls and lie through their teeth and say anything to make a few bucks...
4. bing gordon is an investor in ouya, and supposedly, he got an amazing deal that meant personal participation for him being a member of the board - so he personally profits a great deal if he suggests that tradtional consoles are dying
1. title is misnomer - dean never actually explains why nintendo should strategically acquire ouya - why that would make sense
2. he doesn't do good fact-checking - cod:ghosts is most likely headed to wii u - activision nearly confirmed as much
3. getting vc money != validation... VC's are right about 10% of the time... the particularly sleazy varieties of them at kleiner perkins and sequoia will sell their souls and lie through their teeth and say anything to make a few bucks...
4. bing gordon is an investor in ouya, and supposedly, he got an amazing deal that meant personal participation for him being a member of the board - so he personally profits a great deal if he suggests that tradtional consoles are dying
Because Outa is a bigger (better) brand than Nintendo... (The only plausible explanation for such argument).
That's why they constantly retry past failures, like 3D for NES, or complex local multi and asymmetric gameplay.
You can see that an other way. They actually managed to believe in, create, and release something that was to the rift what would be a wood trunk with spikes to a bed.
If they thought a limited angle viewing 3d screen that not even everyone could enjoy was a good thing for their new portable.. Explain me how the rift would be a nonono for them.. That was maybe their only and last chance at having something unique and revolutionary that people would pay to try.
Actually, marcan of fail0verflow thinks the Ouya has a faster CPU (the GPU in the Wii U is surely better, though): http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2013/espresso.html
FrostuTheNinja
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Don't worry guys, it's just Dean, the guy who said Warhammer ripped off Gears of War's designs and even made light of the term "Space Marine".
Samurai_Heart
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Jesus christ you weren't joking.
http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/25/how-many-ways-can-thqs-space-marine-game-rip-off-gears-of-war/
FrostuTheNinja
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It's pretty embarrassing but hey, what do we know, we're just internet bullies.
This guy must be dumb as all hell if he thinks Ouya would make sense as an acquisition. Their games are just Android games anyway. If Nintendo wanted to launch a $99 console based on Android Ouya would be crushed within minutes. They don't own any IP and their fanbase and brand recognition is about a million times less than Nintendo's.
Embarrassing.
Embarrassing.