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Destiny 2: "Guided Games" only works with normal difficulty for Raids (and Nightfall)
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The Greek Freak
Member
They would rather their "hardcore raiders" get hard at how good not having matchmaking makes them feel than improve their game.
This is so stupid, people know how to play strikes because there aren't that many and the game repeats them so often. Virtually everybody is competent at them after a while. They might be able to justify it for Raids but for three player Nightfalls there really is no excuse for not having matchmaking.
Guided games is LFG. In the game. Why force people to third-party LFG sites, when there is already an LFG tool in the game?
The Greek Freak
Member
Example 27743 of why Destiny had the worst online community of any game I've played in 5 plus years and why using third party sites to get matches was soul draining.
Danis Saur
Member
Its simple.
They did this so that new people can have a taste of Raids, and then if they want to try a harder difficulty they will have to go to their forums or reddit sub and keep those places alive, keep the online community flowing. Ask to meet up with people, meet new people, etc. Because Bungie can't do this themselves.
They did this so that new people can have a taste of Raids, and then if they want to try a harder difficulty they will have to go to their forums or reddit sub and keep those places alive, keep the online community flowing. Ask to meet up with people, meet new people, etc. Because Bungie can't do this themselves.
UziTheBeast
Banned
No one is acting like it's the end of the world except you. Clearly people criticizing the game hurts you considering your first and last paragraph.
It's 2017, don't give me bullshit reasons not to have matchmaking. If I want to do blind raids then that's my choice.
Herp Derpington
Member
No rumble? Lol huh? Why the hell not? They just want team based PvP at launch?
LFG sites will still exist! And how is that not the same exact thing, except a longer process?
Seriously, can someone who is actually okay with this explain to me what makes an LFG site better than in-game LFG? Anyone?
I've played Raids with terrible people before from LFG sites. It happens! Life goes on.
clarknova156
Member
And the Bungie bullshit train begins. This just reaffirms my choice NOT to buy Destiny 2. Not going through all the BS language they are famous for. Lots of double talk.
Destiny is a joke compared to wow
I've raided in WoW before, a heroic raid in Destiny isn't dissimilar in skill level to a normal or heroic in WoW. Mythics are more difficult true but I'm not comparing to those.
the whole premise with the introduction of GG was that "oh a very small percentage of players have done the raid, we want to introduce a system that fixes that". From what I've read, GG seems like a tool that allows a more casual player to get into a raid group and "try it out" with more experienced players.
Yes it is a form of matchmaking,but I actually liked the idea of going to LFG and finding a group for the type of Raid run I wanted to do at that time. That being either to help someone new through the raid or a speed run just to get the drops before the reset.
I do believe GG should be there for heroic strikes/ NF though.
FriskyrumX
Banned
Yup, don't see the issue.
Our community is crap because we don't mind going to an LFG site to find a group for our play style?.
GG for normal raids are great, its an opening for new players to try it out. Heroic is a lot more stressful and requires more communication to succeed. Being matched with players that have no idea how to do specific parts of a heroic raid after the 50th run can be quiet frustrating.
People in this thread make it sound like they will be locked out of raids. Unless I'm missing something, normal mode raids will have matchmaking. No one will be jumping straight into the heroic raid until the have at least one normal run under their belt. Matchmaking on normal is your way to form a team and test out everyone's strengths and weaknesses. Heroics are for people that can commit to their team and the game the way they are needed to.
I've had teammates flake out on me in strikes and leaving me as the only player fighting Phogoth for 15 minutes. That unpleasantness increases exponentially when I'm in the middle of a heroic raid.
I've had teammates flake out on me in strikes and leaving me as the only player fighting Phogoth for 15 minutes. That unpleasantness increases exponentially when I'm in the middle of a heroic raid.
I personally got the impressiom they didn't learn with how they handled the gameplay reveal. Knew all of this mess was coming after that.
Double Donut
Member
LFG sites are just longer, more draining matchmaking though? Six randoms, coming together to take on a raid? AKA the exact same thing that happens in guided games?
Actually, guided games combines randoms with established clans, so guided games would arguably create MORE organized and coordinated groups than LFG sites will.
I also bet Anthem will be a steaming pile of shit the way everyone is overhyping it from a 3 min clip :|
Anyways this is pretty similar to WoWs system. Id rather spend 10 mins to find a group then spend 30+ wiping with a grp full of bads.
Yup! It's the same thing WoW has done for years: the initial tiers of Raids have a LFG to introduce people to mechanics and prove raids aren't so daunting. For some, just seeing all that stuff is totally worth it. For others, they'll realize there are more challenges out there and hopefully seek out other people that want to try (Guilds are actually supposed to be implemented properly this time around....but I'll believe it when I see it).
I can't really be all that mad about this. They're letting everyone easily experience the end game content that they never would be able to see, and yet still keeping the "best loot" reserved for the people that want to try the hardest. It's a carrot on a stick to get people more involved with the community.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
What the fuck no rumble either? Again they are making the pvp very noob unfriendly.
Dumb move imo for the Nightfall. I dont understand a normal vs hard Nightfall to begin with, but even then it's one god damn straightforward mission. Why there can't be matchmaking for that is beyond me. So stupid.
As for the Raid...I don't know how I feel about that yet. I didn't raid much in original Destiny and when I did it wasn't all that fun for me. What would make it fun for me would be auto matchmaking and being able to have saved checkpoints at each part. So I can drop out if it isn't working and then be replaced automatically by someone else. It's about the only way it can work for someone like me.
Bottom line since they are clearly still not going to listen to the player base, I hope they lose sales because of it.
Dumb move imo for the Nightfall. I dont understand a normal vs hard Nightfall to begin with, but even then it's one god damn straightforward mission. Why there can't be matchmaking for that is beyond me. So stupid.
As for the Raid...I don't know how I feel about that yet. I didn't raid much in original Destiny and when I did it wasn't all that fun for me. What would make it fun for me would be auto matchmaking and being able to have saved checkpoints at each part. So I can drop out if it isn't working and then be replaced automatically by someone else. It's about the only way it can work for someone like me.
Bottom line since they are clearly still not going to listen to the player base, I hope they lose sales because of it.
How is external LFG superior to an in-game LFG for these issues? LFG parties for heroic raids fall apart all the time.
This is a case of Bungie making things more difficult for no apparent reason.
Why cant I have these tools in the fucking game?
Solidsnakejej
Member
I can easily see people working around this by using the normal matchmaking to look for players looking for hard and dropping people until they do.
Why not do this in-game? How is an external site superior in any way?
External LFG sites allows you to get a grasp of the players you will be playing with before jumping into the game. In game LFG seems like GG matchmake with very limited ability to grasp who your teaming up with.
Nydius
Member
I disagree. I find the difficulty level of heroic raids in Destiny to be on par with pre-nerf BC heroic 5 mans and pre-nerf Cataclysm heroic 5-mans. They're roughly the same in length as well, once you take out padding like the VOG jumping puzzle and King's Fall Tomb Ship pit. Like the pre-nerf heroic dungeons, once the limited mechanics in Destiny's raids are figured out, you can blow through them in one sitting. That's vastly different than even heroic 10 man raids in WoW which generally still require more than one night commitment and feature more mechanic heavy fights.
It doesnt make much sense to bring the community together some of the time, but not all the time. Mixed messages.
I'm all for the tools they came up with, but the communty (or at least the people running content) moves on from normal to hard mode.
Do you think this is throwing the LFG communities a bone in any way?
I'm all for the tools they came up with, but the communty (or at least the people running content) moves on from normal to hard mode.
Do you think this is throwing the LFG communities a bone in any way?
Sniffynose
Member
I'm going to take a wait and see approach this time, they almost had me pre-ordering... but the things that keep leaking out make me step back again =/
The gunplay and lore (although hidden) was bloody fantastic in the first one, they should really lighten up about the whole elitist attitude they have towards their player base.
The gunplay and lore (although hidden) was bloody fantastic in the first one, they should really lighten up about the whole elitist attitude they have towards their player base.