The people I ran hard mode raids with I met through normal mode LFG runs. I built up a rapport with those people and we were able to schedule time outside of Destiny to be able to commit. Anecdotally, every time I tried to fill a hole in my group either here or on another site for hard it never panned out.
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Destiny 2: "Guided Games" only works with normal difficulty for Raids (and Nightfall)
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The people I ran hard mode raids with I met through normal mode LFG runs. I built up a rapport with those people and we were able to schedule time outside of Destiny to be able to commit. Anecdotally, every time I tried to fill a hole in my group either here or on another site for hard it never panned out.
It all hinges on the Guild tools, and if they're garbage or not.
problem is once you're at/near the Light cap there's literally no benefit to doing the easy version of the raid, so this plan requires either making enough friends to have a group available before that point, or wasting a bunch of time running content that's not getting you anything good just to find people to do a harder version of the same exact thing with. Or just go back to using external LFG sites again.
DarKshodaN
Member
well fuck this, i will not spend again hundreds of hours on LFG sites to get a game get starting.
I can understand it for the hard mode raid, but for nothing else.
only good thing about this is that there is more time for me to play all the other great games coming out later this year
I can understand it for the hard mode raid, but for nothing else.
only good thing about this is that there is more time for me to play all the other great games coming out later this year
So you can still use the LFG on xbox live, you can use some random site on the internet. You can matchmake in normal mode then party up and bump it up to heroic mode...
If the workarounds are so easy and simple, why not just put it as a feature in the game?
Why create an easier nightfall when the nightfall itself is not even difficult?
It just sounds like arrogant Bungie from Destiny launch.
If the workarounds are so easy and simple, why not just put it as a feature in the game?
Why create an easier nightfall when the nightfall itself is not even difficult?
It just sounds like arrogant Bungie from Destiny launch.
You know, the silver lining in all of this is that the game is on PC, where hopefully some brave and salubrious person will tack an LFG tool directly on the game. It can even be destinylfg, but it'll be 'in-game' and right the fuck there.
There is hope.
A little bit, but it's there.
There is hope.
A little bit, but it's there.
NullPointer
Member
For fuck's sake, Bungie.
What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you?
because GG doesn't work like this. GG seems to be more of a matchmaking tool designed to help new comers find an experienced raid group. Thisis perfect for Normal raid, but Heroic requires a different level strategy and teamwork/ communication. Like I said, an experienced group looking to run a Heroic raid as fast as possible doesn't want to be matched with a player trying the raid for the 1st time.
josecitoxnyo
Member
LOL at people complaning about this, Raids and the hardest content in the game don't need matchmaking! It has been said THOUSANDS of times, it compromises the experience design and they won't add it!
You needed a tool to meet people, not a tool to get 3 more dudes cause you can't get good to finish damn content FFS.
You needed a tool to meet people, not a tool to get 3 more dudes cause you can't get good to finish damn content FFS.
duhmetree
Member
Normal Raid drops first. Use Guided Games to find a Raid Group.
Raid for 4-6 weeks leading up to Hard Mode. If you can't find a Raid Group/Friends in that span you're doing something wrong or not trying IMO.
Once you have some form of Raid Group, the same people will run nightfalls/end-game content with you.
The people I play with are people I met through Destiny.
Raid for 4-6 weeks leading up to Hard Mode. If you can't find a Raid Group/Friends in that span you're doing something wrong or not trying IMO.
Once you have some form of Raid Group, the same people will run nightfalls/end-game content with you.
The people I play with are people I met through Destiny.
NullPointer
Member
If Bungie thinks players need a tool, put that tool into the game. In-game this tool can know your region, your ping, your character, your game history, your skill level, your gear, the works. It can use existing platform communication tools without needing to go out of band for everything.
As it is they built an in-game tool, and then purposefully hobbled it.
That big ass 2 is getting smaller every week.
Seriously, not a single person has provided a reasonable explanation as to why an external lfg is superior to an internal system.
"It allows you to get a grasp on who you are teaming up with."
No it doesn't, not at all. It's literally the same function, you join with some random people who you have never met or played with before and you go into the raid basically blind in that aspect.
"It forces the community to get together and grow while also making new companions."
This is literally what Guilded Games does. Like literally its exact function and purpose of being implemented IN the game.
"It ensures you don't get put with awful randoms where you constantly die over and over again."
What in the hell is this tripe? I did the god damn matching making externally in Destiny 1 for all of the raids in both of the difficulties I still got grouped with countless people who were just as awful as an in-game match making group.
Nydius
Member
Upon further thought, this seems like it will really limit the usefulness of Guided Games for anyone coming into the game later. As more clans reach the point where normal mode raids are not of benefit, they'll simply stop running them and there will be fewer and fewer experienced groups available to sherpa Guided Games players through the content.
Imagine if Guided Games were available right now in Destiny 1. I don't know many people who bother running Wrath of the Machine and when/if they do, it's Heroic only. I can't imagine the normal mode of the raid gets much play. So if you were a new player (not out of the realm of possibilities since places keep putting the collection on sale) and wanted to get a Guided Games group for normal WotM, you'd probably be out of luck. At the very minimum, your choices would be extremely limited.
I just don't get why they couldn't put a full blown LFG type tool into the game itself. Guided Games is a start but enough of this nonsense where people need to go outside of the game to third party sites or apps when everything could be taken care of IN game.
Imagine if Guided Games were available right now in Destiny 1. I don't know many people who bother running Wrath of the Machine and when/if they do, it's Heroic only. I can't imagine the normal mode of the raid gets much play. So if you were a new player (not out of the realm of possibilities since places keep putting the collection on sale) and wanted to get a Guided Games group for normal WotM, you'd probably be out of luck. At the very minimum, your choices would be extremely limited.
I just don't get why they couldn't put a full blown LFG type tool into the game itself. Guided Games is a start but enough of this nonsense where people need to go outside of the game to third party sites or apps when everything could be taken care of IN game.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
Seems like an overreaction regarding heroic raids, but no MM for Nightfall is just BS.
BattleMonkey
Member
Eh kinda sucks but at least I get to take part in the content? I always felt like I was missing good chunk of the game cause I could never get into raids in the original, at least now I can experience the content and story stuff.
It would be nice to have the option to play the reg difficulty too.
It would be nice to have the option to play the reg difficulty too.
- Make it so you have to beat the normal mode first.
- And if that "experienced group" still doesn't want to play with someone doing the heroic difficulty for the first time, guess what? They can just not use the feature.
Why do some of you defend every single decision Bungie makes? There is no logical argument to be had here.
Attack the argument, not the people making them ☺
josecitoxnyo
Member
The tool is right there, Guided games is supposed to connect you to people to learn to play. The idea is that you meet people through that tool and be part of that group or any other to do ANY kind of content in the game.
That's perfect, how people use that tool is a whole other subject, not Bungie's fault that people don't know how to socialize.
Here's a great example:
How hard is to put a post on DGAF/reddit/Xbox or PSN communities and say, "Hey guys, i never did a raid, will you help me with this?"
This isn't about matchmaking. Guided Games is a form of LFG because it requires you to be one or two players matching with a larger pre-made Clan that already knows each other.
No one is asking for blind Raid matchmaking here. This is about their LFG tool.
Then that clan can say explicitly, in their motto viewable in-game, that they are not looking for noobs. My understanding is that it doesn't put people together without first establishing mutual interest. And if this isn't the case, then it's an even bigger failure by Bungie. It is inexcusable for them to offload this labor onto the community.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
No dedicated servers, no match making for the end game content, no new classes, no Rumble, no Exo Stranger because her arc was finished,
Nothing Bungie has announced has made me think that they're addressing the flaws of the first game.
Nothing Bungie has announced has made me think that they're addressing the flaws of the first game.
People that actually play Destiny and do the hardest content understand that without a proper gear check (which Bungie's system probably can't do) it will be hard to match for heroic raids/nighfalls. Playing with undergeared players is a huge pain.
Also, the hardest content usually requires communication.
Also, the hardest content usually requires communication.
Didn't ND:s MP team that you were a part decide that players wouldn't be able to matchmake in Uncharted 4 Coop with randoms for the two highest difficulties too?
I "actually play" Destiny and made the rant in the OP.
If you're max LL, you can do the heroic raid. It's as simple as that. You don't need specific gear.
And if you're the kind of player that is anal about the type of gear your teammates are using, even at max LL, then don't use the in-game feature. Go post on an LFG site with your list of gear demands or invite someone you're already friends with.
This would not impact you.
josecitoxnyo
Member
Guided games does exactly that! What the hell are you complaining? LOL
If you want a tool that does that for every single activity in the game, then you didn't understand guided games in the first place, the tool is built around the concept of meeting people, after that it's up to you.
Have you run a Heroic raid in Destiny?. Some boss encounters requires the entire party to communicate and coordinate efficiently.
If you think you ran into a lot of incompetent players on LFG, just imagine the number of these players you would be matched with through an in game matchmaking system. Sounds incredibly frustrating to me for a more challenging version of the raid. Remember we talking about Heroic here, you cant respawn, there is very little room for error, a single death can result in an entire wipe.
What about this makes an in-game LFG insufficient? If someone joins with underleveled gear, boot them, the same way you would if you met them on an outside LFG site.
I know nothing about the D2 raid, but if it's anything like WOTM (heroic), coordination and gear will be important.
Well, if Bungie gave us the standard LFG, then it will all be good. With GG, it's just advanced MM it seems.
I have no problem chillin on my double monitor setup with destinylfg open on my 2nd monitor.. that and I also have friends. I think this pushes people to actually socialize a bit more rather than having everything automatically done for them. Pretty much how WoW forces you to do it if you want to play harder content.
FingerBang
Member
Bungie is like your father asking you to forgive him just before he slaps you again.
Fuck you. Matchmaking for all FUCKING activities. FUCK YOU LUKE!
Fuck you. Matchmaking for all FUCKING activities. FUCK YOU LUKE!
What it pushes people to do is not play the content, which is precisely the problem that Guided Games was designed to solve.
Why should someone need a two-monitor setup? Why not put a basic LFG feature in the game itself?
This is how WoW has done it with their LFR tool (at least, the automatic one) ever since that launched for raids. Nobody expects a group of randoms grouped up by the LFR to coordinate well enough to complete the raid at the highest difficulty.
They did add a tool to search for groups formed by players later on (Warlords I think?) but that is of course on PC so I imagine that for a console based game that's not viable at all.
I don't have a problem with it though - the perception I have of Guided Games is so that people can find clans with people that they like, and eventually make friends to complete the hardest content together.
They did add a tool to search for groups formed by players later on (Warlords I think?) but that is of course on PC so I imagine that for a console based game that's not viable at all.
I don't have a problem with it though - the perception I have of Guided Games is so that people can find clans with people that they like, and eventually make friends to complete the hardest content together.
panama chief
Member
Serious shit: if anyone can ask, please have Bungie confirm we will still have private matches when D2 launches. I swear these guys are gonna remove that too.
That fact that you're LOLing at this is incredibly childish and I'm not going to go back and forth with you.
Having this feature for heroic modes would literally not impact you. Simple as that.
Reptars Revenge
Member
Good news. You can still do those things with matchmaking.
Yeah Bungie should have matchmaking for everything and let me watch it for the lulz.
psynergylover
Member
sucks but I'm not to outraged by this, guess LFG.com/net will still be in effect. the people you meet via Guided Games will probably just up the difficulty when in orbit.
besides DGAF will have our backs!
besides DGAF will have our backs!
I don't know, how hard is it to have basic social features that every other MMO I've ever played have built in to the game?
Aztechnology
Member
Lol no offense to you guys, but the last thing I want is to be randomly matched for heroic raids.
I understand their desire to remove that, as people would stop using features such as LFG.net which provides better vetting and choice on who to invite. If their tool was like that then I'd say put it into game. But I've had way too many bad players looking to be carried even in there. Random heroic would be such a crapshoot.
I understand their desire to remove that, as people would stop using features such as LFG.net which provides better vetting and choice on who to invite. If their tool was like that then I'd say put it into game. But I've had way too many bad players looking to be carried even in there. Random heroic would be such a crapshoot.
lul preach
Darknyss09
Member
They already confirmed they won't be in at launch.
That won't be there at launch.
So again, if you're worried about what gear someone has, don't use the in-game LFG/MM feature. It's really that simple.
And I'm not sure why you're saying "coordination" as if there would be less of it. If you use Guided Games to join a clan -- in either normal or hard -- that clan can simply boot you if you're not coordinating. The same way it's done through LFG sites.
No one should need a two monitor setup. I'm just saying for ME personally it won't be a problem since its on PC. Regardless, after playing countless PC games without matchmaking or LFG features, I personally have no problem with this. If people don't want to play the content, then thats up to them.. but this game will have millions of players just like the first, and those who do want to experience the content will find a way.
Aztechnology
Member
Assuming it doesn't just load you straight in that's a good workaround.